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    #26490570 - 02/17/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So ive got a lot of mycelium growth, but i see this little blue spec.

Is this mold? (Ive heard something about the substrate bruising being a thing?) If so, should i just let the mycelium grow and hope that it works? Like leave it be, and see what happens? Or is this an insta-toss situation?

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Re: Is this mold? [Re: JoeyFatone] * 1
    #26490572 - 02/17/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Also, i know in advance, jars are way too wet.


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: JoeyFatone] * 1
    #26490816 - 02/17/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Kinda looks like mold. You will know for sure in a while as it will get worse if it is. Maybe start another project going just so you aren't too far behind.


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: bootedboy]
    #26490828 - 02/17/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I think so too. I had six jars. Got impatient, did a stupid thing, and brought them into the bathroom, shower on, to steam 'em up a bit. Really really really stupid. Now there's extra moisture in there. I also was drunk when I did this, and also left a heater at 78 or so in front of it.

I had an all in one bag, and that one got contam'd. Could that be because of the heater, as well? That one didn't go into the bathroom with me.

The weird shit is, so many people had success with that all in one bag, so the only thing I can think that caused contam on mine is the heater. This bag has things to help keep contam out. So I'm curious as to maybe if the heat had any affect on the contams being present. I was really sterile and shit.


And is there a chance the mycelium could "outgrow" the possible mold and become successful? And if successful, would the fruits be alright to eat? I've looked it up, and answers seem pretty divided as far as I can tell.

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Re: Is this mold? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26490843 - 02/17/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don’t think it is mold.  I’ve had jars with some sort of powdery white mold that the myc grew around.  The jars still colonized, and I was able to remove the mold area after birthing the jars and spawn to bulk with success.


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: SYF8]
    #26490856 - 02/17/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don’t think it is mold.  I’ve had jars with some sort of powdery white mold that the myc grew around.  The jars still colonized, and I was able to remove the mold area after birthing the jars and spawn to bulk with success.



Really? That would be amazing. I had 6 jars, 4 left, two had that same kinda shit in it, sameish size. Small. One was a little more green, but still blue-ish. Someone said it may be brusing? But I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what that even means when it comes to jars.

This shit is bright blue-ish. If they colonized fully, and went "over" the mold, would I still be able to harvest, without any possible health roadblocks due to the mold, even if the mushroom grew in that area? Like what if it overcrowds it and I can't see it anymore? Haha


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26490860 - 02/17/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’m still a novice, but if the myc grows over or absorbs the “blueish” area it’s bruising.  I’d say be patient and see what happens.  If the cakes are actually contaminated you won’t get any good fruits.  From what I understand you can make tea with the fruits if you have mold concerns.


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: SYF8]
    #26490888 - 02/17/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not thr best judge of color, but that looks like bruising.

What's an "all in one bag"? Do you have filters on your jars, or just the verm layer? If you've got standard PF tek lids I doubt much moisture got in from "steaming". Let your jars chill out. They usually don't take well to going on drunken field trips.


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: Barrel]
    #26491674 - 02/18/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you so much guys! I've got some updated pics here from today. It looks like it may have spread a little? Not sure. Could be wrong. I'm hoping it;s not mold, but my optimism isn't great in that respect.

And yes, it had good reviews and everything you need, self-healing port after inoc., some sort of filter at the top to keep contams out, while allowing gas exchange, etc... But we'll see. One got contam. So this new one, I'm hoping won't.

For the jars, just the dry verm layer. I do have the standard lids; created myself, was OVERLY carful and sanitized a LOT, then PCd. Regardless of the verm layer, I can see a lot of "liquid" on the side, so I'm sure it happened. Kind of worries me. I did notice that one new jar has a blue spot on it now. Small, kind of like those thin white clear light things, with the small bulb at the end, which people use for parties. Let me attach the images.  The first image is the new one that appeared today, with the tiny blue spot today. The other two, are from the two that I posted in the OP.


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: JoeyFatone] * 1
    #26491676 - 02/18/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Das mold


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    #26491687 - 02/18/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Super.

So can heat cause this? From a space heater? Because the bag I didn't let "steam", and it had mold. So could being too hot cause contam, even if everything is sterilized, verm barrier in tact, etc.?

Also, is there any hope in salvaging this via a planter in the back yard? I've heard of people getting fruits that way.

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Re: Is this mold? [Re: JoeyFatone] * 1
    #26492643 - 02/18/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Super.

So can heat cause this? From a space heater? Because the bag I didn't let "steam", and it had mold. So could being too hot cause contam, even if everything is sterilized, verm barrier in tact, etc.?

Also, is there any hope in salvaging this via a planter in the back yard? I've heard of people getting fruits that way.

Thanks!



The contamination was either introduced from your sterile technique or the inoculate. Toss it and start over. How are other jars looking? Anyway, do your research and start again and be very careful. Contamination is confusing at first but with plenty of practice you will generally be able to tell where you possibly went wrong. It happens, good luck!!!


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: bootedboy]
    #26492704 - 02/19/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Super.

So can heat cause this? From a space heater? Because the bag I didn't let "steam", and it had mold. So could being too hot cause contam, even if everything is sterilized, verm barrier in tact, etc.?

Also, is there any hope in salvaging this via a planter in the back yard? I've heard of people getting fruits that way.

Thanks!



The contamination was either introduced from your sterile technique or the inoculate. Toss it and start over. How are other jars looking? Anyway, do your research and start again and be very careful. Contamination is confusing at first but with plenty of practice you will generally be able to tell where you possibly went wrong. It happens, good luck!!!




Thanks. But I know it wasn't either of those two things, as I specifically went into a room which was practically wiped down, and did months of research ahead of time. The syringes, as well, were received from an incredibly reputable vendor. So it wasn't either. As far as contams, it must have been from the shower fiasco or the heater, or both. But regardless, I'm hoping for the best for my remaining jars! Thank you for the good wishes!


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26492737 - 02/19/20 01:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If theres only one small spot of mold, u can still fruit that cake. However, I would fruit in a seperate Fruiting Chamber thou. U can even use a large gallon sized plastic ziplock baggie filled with wet perlite.


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26493053 - 02/19/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Damn too late. Thank you though, I appreciate it! I'll remember that if this happens again, thank you!


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26494542 - 02/20/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Even the best/"cleanest" syringes have contams present in them. You need to produce mushrooms in order to get spores in the first place and fruiting conditions are not sterile. Best practice is to start with agar for everything other than PF tek. So this is most likely why your all-in-one bag failed.

The PF jars was more likely a result of you messing around with the jars and disturbing the dry vermiculite layer in top that works to trap contamination before it gets to your substrate. Or the syringes were just very dirty to begin with.

Better luck next time!


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    #26494769 - 02/20/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah I think so too. I had six jars. Got impatient, did a stupid thing, and brought them into the bathroom, shower on, to steam 'em up a bit. Really really really stupid. Now there's extra moisture in there. I also was drunk when I did this, and also left a heater at 78 or so in front of it.




Stay away from alcohol, it is clearly sabotaging your efforts.


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Re: Is this mold? [Re: JoeyFatone]
    #26494803 - 02/20/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Heat is not a physical pathway through which bacteria and mold spores travel from outside the jar and into the sterile substrate. Heat is just heat and doesn't cause contamination, no environmental conditions causes contams,, contaminating your substrate causes contams. And normal room temp is recommended through every stage of growing cubes. Condensation inside jars occurs naturally and comes and goes depending on inside/outside conditions and doesn't hurt the cake.

And last but not least, youre not supposed to handle colonizing brf jars like that flipping them sideways, upside down and whatnot, if you fpr example have trapped contaminant spores on top of the protective verm layer then youre just helping those spores to make their way down to the substrate and to germinate. Leave the jars alone or find a way to incpect them that doesnt include disturbing the verm layer. Gl


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