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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26489645 - 02/17/20 08:52 AM (4 years, 10 hours ago)

Also, exactly what harmful toxins are in shrooms?

Not picking a fight, just wanting to better highlight the overstated case you are presenting, while at the same time, you are trying to indicate that the oppositions case is overstated.

That’s funny. :grin:



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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26489704 - 02/17/20 09:41 AM (4 years, 9 hours ago)

Tolerance with mushrooms is a weird thing, and is very specific to the individual. You’ll find out what works for you with experience. I have found in the past tripping weekly that by the third dose I no longer get “the magic”. So sometimes it’s worth waiting!

The only reason I had the 2.5g a week after a ridiculous strong 3.8 (one of those trips you get from time to time, that is inexplicably strong, and you’re just in survival mode) was because I got NOTHING out of the previous 3.8g, apart obviously from not dying!

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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26489715 - 02/17/20 09:50 AM (4 years, 9 hours ago)

Yeah I did regular trips when I was 20 and ignorant. For me, the worst feeling in the world is when you take mushrooms but then don’t trip properly. I mean, all the preparation, all the anxiety, and then 5 hours of no trip and can’t even read your iPad! Not for me.

I like to think of tolerance as nature’s way of enforcing respect! I have no problem with anybody that wants to trip repeatedly, but for me, I prefer to rest in between.

I’ve been trying all sorts of dosing regimes over the last 4nyears to aid with depression self-help. I used to think the McKenna way wa sit; 5g silent darkness infrequently. But the trips were strong, scary, and the after glow didn’t last. I tried weekly trips, but often lost the magic, if not by week 2 then certainly by week 3. I have recently stuck to a trip every two weeks. It has been so helpful, the afterglow has been lasting the whole two weeks in between trips. I’m now going to try a few months break and integrate the last few months’,worth of trips.

Dunno how to go when I do come back; 5g.............?

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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26489732 - 02/17/20 10:04 AM (4 years, 9 hours ago)

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nor do I think someone is a n00b for not wanting to play it fast-and-loose with their fitness and health.






Lol fast and loose. Mushroom use bad for your health? Explain please because that's misleading and ignorant.



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Also, exactly what harmful toxins are in shrooms?

Not picking a fight, just wanting to better highlight the overstated case you are presenting, while at the same time, you are trying to indicate that the oppositions case is overstated.

That’s funny. :grin:






I thought LSA Woodrose meant the psychological toll shrooms can have on the unprepared when but then I re-read his post.

I also would like to know, LSA, what toxic chemicals are in cubes?

They take a toll on your heart no more than heavy exercise, assuming you have no pre-existing medical conditions (I know, I've been lifting, running  and playing extreme sports for years. Exercise is awesome but it takes a physical toll as well. And I don't mean just injuries but repeated stresses on your joints, for example. I know many people who have herniated disks from something like basketball because of all the jumping they did. I can feel the decades of exercise have taken a toll on my joints.).


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: Shr00mEater] * 1
    #26489927 - 02/17/20 12:36 PM (4 years, 6 hours ago)

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mushboy said:

Lol fast and loose. Mushroom use bad for your health? Explain please because that's misleading and ignorant.




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Also, exactly what harmful toxins are in shrooms?

Not picking a fight, just wanting to better highlight the overstated case you are presenting, while at the same time, you are trying to indicate that the oppositions case is overstated.

That’s funny. :grin:







First off, nothing I said was ignorant, but before I support my position, let me make it clear that I am NOT saying people shouldn't take mushrooms or seeds or plants containing mescaline, of whatever. If I were saying that, then yes, certainly that would be not only ignorant, but hypocritical. I would like to start growing magic mushrooms myself, for my own consumption, and I have a boatload of Morning Glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. So, yeah, lol if I was abdicating abstinence, then that would be pretty stupid, considering my own use, not to mention this is a psyechedelics forum, and if that were the case, then WTF am I doing here in the first place, right?

No.

My response was to this post:

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Some people are indeed weird noobs with drugs:lol:




My main point, which is why I quoted that post in my original response, was to say that one doesn't have to be either weird or a n00b to not want to put these chemicals in their bodies multiple days in a row, and that waiting for the tolerance to drop down to baseline or at least almost to baseline is not the worst idea in the world.

We all know that there are toxins in MG and HBW seeds, precursors to strychnine, if I remember correctly? Might be cyanide, actually. However, with mushrooms, or any substance that makes you sick to the point of moderate to severe nausea, possible cramps, rare cases of diarrhea, and other intestinal symptoms. Look at it from a purely common sense standpoint first, before talking about chemicals in these plants and fungi. Is it really completely unreasonable to assert that when something you ingest causes moderate to severe intestinal symptoms that this is your body's way of telling you that this isn't something it actually wants in your system? Want being a non sequitur of sorts, since your digestive system is not sentient. Anyway, my point is that any medical professional will tell you that if things you eat cause these symptoms, its nature, evolution, and you body's way that maybe this isn't so good for you. As things that cause these symptoms do so because they are very hard on your digestive system or irritants of one form or another.

I will walk back one thing I said, because I was typing in haste: I said that these toxins in psychedelic plants are "very bad for you" when what I should have said was that they are toxic to at least enough of an extent to cause profound medical symptoms in human beings.

As for specific chemicals, shrooms have not been studied extensively for their exact pharmacological effects in the body. Mostly because there is no profit in the research, which is generally funded by the pharmaceutical companies. However, the hypothesis is that it could have something to do with a lot of serotonin in the gut, it could be irritating the gastric and intestinal mucosa, and lastly, like MG and HBW seeds, there are probably some toxins in those species' of mushrooms themselves.

Hell, ethanol is actually classified as a poison, yet people drink booze, and few people die from it. Toxins in cigarettes cause a whole world of problems, and even junk food, particularly chemicals like high fructose corn syrup have been implicated to have almost toxic-like effects on the body.

My main point, as I said above, was not to get on a soapbox and preach NOT to take these substances. Ha! In fact, I can't find ANYTHING resembling real mescaline or mushrooms here in The Big Apple, and would take both if I could! My main point was to say that when something makes one physically ill, is it really "weird" or "noobish" for someone to want to err on the side of caution and NOT double up on a dose (or substantially increase the tripping dose) to trip two days in a row, proportionally increasing whatever chemicals they are taking in that are hard enough on the digestive system to cause overt, uncomfortable, and sometimes severe intestinal distress?


Edit: Let me also add this for some perspective. I am on a low carb, ketogenic diet right now. However, I choose days I call "cheat days." I have three coming up this weekend...Yay! lol On my cheat days, I completely depart from my diet regimen. I will eat whatever the f*ck I want, which I can assure you is NOT just eating more of what's healthy. During the course of these cheat days, I will make myself a giant Banana Boat sundae with like 5 giant scoops of ice cream, an insane amount of toppings, and whatever else I want to throw on it. Then I'll have desert! Seriously, I can eat an entire loaf of Italian bread, plus a pound of pasta, other deserts in addition to the ice cream. I eat so much on my cheat days that sometimes I wake up the next day with what I can only describe as a "food hangover."

You think this is good for me? I bet that the toxic effects of all that food on one of my cheat days might even be equal to or surpass the toxins I ingest in a handful of HBW seeds. But I do it anyway. Because, A, we all have our vices, and B, it keeps me VERY STRICT for the 99% of the time I am on my diet.

Obviously, I take MD and HBW seeds even though I am sure they are not great for my digestive system.


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26489958 - 02/17/20 12:50 PM (4 years, 6 hours ago)

Tldr, I read your opening statement and figured out what the rest of the post was.







I lied, I just went back and read it.

You never did name which toxic chemicals are in shrooms?

I get your point, and I personally never claimed you are preaching abstinence.

But, some of us might have claimed that you are talking out of your ass... which, there is nothing inherently wrong with, it also seems in this last post that you do admit as much... If we are being honest, you could walk back a bit more of the definitive language you are using.

HOWEVER, I don’t actually care about that. I don’t need explainations, not required for me at least, as I am able to see the humor in the language you chose to use.

“Fast and loose” is a fairly known debating term for how someone is handling facts. You used the term to describe one side of an argument...... while being fast and loose yourself. Fucking hilarious.

Don’t be mad. Not my intention. I’m the first guy to admit there are potential risks when taking mind altering drugs.

Even the weird noobs thing is, in my opinion, clearly a jest. I don’t think it was intended to indicate that  everyone who doesn’t redose is noob. Instead, it is pointing at how myths get spread.... ie, by weird noobs.

This thread was about wether redosing works or not.


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26489990 - 02/17/20 01:07 PM (4 years, 6 hours ago)

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Tldr, I read your opening statement and figured out what the rest of the post was.


I lied, I just went back and read it.




lol I do that all the time. :grin:

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Shr00mEater said:You never did name which toxic chemicals are in shrooms?




The answer is I don't know precisely. I am not sure anyone does. As I said above, there aren't a lot of studies on psychedelic plants and mushrooms because they have been pretty much controlled substances for so long, there's no profit in funding university-based, clinical research, nor exhaustive chemical analysis.

I can tell you that if someone could convince Big Pharma that psilocybin in pill form could give rich, middle-aged white men erections, we would have voluminous research on its toxicity as well as its beneficial effects. The latter, by the way, I believe far outweighs the former, when taken reasonably.

There are only well reasoned hypothesis' like what I said above, as to why mushrooms make you sick before or during a trip. What we really need is for the United States, and other western nations to not only decriminalize these substances, BUT to have medical and health organizations start recognizing the benefits of tripping in human beings. Then, and only then, do I think an answer to your question would be forthcoming. 

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I get your point, and I personally never claimed you are preaching abstinence.




I get that, but I wanted to clarify my position. I think that mushboy got a little defensive, probably thinking that I was attacking mushrooms or something, and I wanted to make sure that my position was clear.

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But, some of us might have claimed that you are talking out of your ass... which, there is nothing inherently wrong with, it also seems in this last post that you do admit as much... If we are being honest, you could walk back a bit more of the definitive language you are using.

HOWEVER, I don’t actually care about that. I don’t need explainations, not required for me at least, as I am able to see the humor in the language you chose to use.

“Fast and loose” is a fairly known debating term for how someone is handling facts. You used the term to describe one side of an argument...... while being fast and loose yourself. Fucking hilarious.

Don’t be mad. Not my intention.





Not mad. But this is the problem with the Internet. Fast and loose isn't necessarily a bad thing, and I used it more as a catchy little writing tool than to suggest people were going to destroy their lives with two trips in a row, or die from it. For the record, talking in casual conversation, like this forum, half the shit that comes out of our mouths is "fast and loose." I was simply saying that not wanting to be so cavalier with one's health by avoiding these things is not "weird" or "noobish.

To be clear, I wasn't talking out of my ass, as I was NOT making wide-sweeping, grandiose claims for or against the use of psychedelics. I think that there is enough foundation in well-established, modern physiology to make a blanket statement like, "If something makes you sick, your body is probably trying to tell you something." Nausea and vomiting are evolutionary tools used by our bodies to get rid of shit we eat that's bad for us. I cannot think of a single instance where the human digestive system is wrong or flawed because it makes you vomit something up that you ate. Assuming you aren't sick before you eat, when you eat something that makes you nauseous, causes you to vomit, gives you cramps or diarrhea, its largely because your body really doesn't want it inside of you, and doesn't want to process it, sending whatever chemicals contained within its structure into your system. So it tries to eliminate it through reverse peristalsis.

I know its simple, but you can't really say that I'm talking out of my ass if I cite that as reasoning.


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Shr00mEater said:I’m the first guy to admit there are potential risks when taking mind altering drugs.




Right, and this is all I am saying. Caveat emptor, because there are risks, and maybe doubling up on a dose to trip two days in a row, while being all right once in a while, should perhaps not be a regular thing? So, again to whip that horse, one doesn't have to be weird of a noob to want to avoid the extra risk of eating double a regular dose to trip the same the next day.


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26489997 - 02/17/20 01:12 PM (4 years, 6 hours ago)

Ya I ain't reading all that.

But I did see this...

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My main point was to say that when something makes one physically ill, is it really "weird" or "noobish" for someone to want to err on the side of caution and NOT double up on a dose (or substantially increase the tripping dose) to trip two days in a row, proportionally increasing whatever chemicals they are taking in that are hard enough on the digestive system to cause overt, uncomfortable, and sometimes severe intestinal distress?





And that's the point I disagreed with:shrug: as did a few others.

To err on the side of caution, you actually need something to be cautious of. Shrooms are not toxic and if you consume them in tea form they are rather gentle on the GI. Having fear of something you dont fully understand is the definition of ignorance hence me saying ignorant.

Using the term fast and loose they way you did also indicates others are being careless with there health which is seriously misleading considering most people here use mushrooms to improve there overall precieved  health.

And lastly why the fuck take HBW when you can grow an extremely easy and definitely non toxic drug like shrooms. Unless your underage or seriously misinformed... OR! you like playing ...fast and loose ..with your health.


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26489999 - 02/17/20 01:15 PM (4 years, 6 hours ago)

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I've tripped a few days in a row. People are just weird noobs with drugs sometimes



After Ram Daas died I read an article that said at one point he wanted to test the envelope and took LSD every four hours for a week. I'm looking for a first hand account if his experience.


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26490020 - 02/17/20 01:23 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

Mushboy, if you honestly believe that something that makes a healthy person sick, sometimes to the point of being violently ill, has NO toxins, then lol we're really going to have to agree to disagree.

Because our bodies don't simply "get sick" after eating something for no reason whatsoever. Further, if you believe that presuming toxicity based upon a visceral reaction like getting sick is playing it fast and loose with anything, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Other than, our bodies don't just get sick for no reason. Some outside stimulus or inner dysfunction has to occur to disrupt the normal homeostatic mechanisms within us that keep us feeling good and healthy.

Again, though, I suggest we agree to disagree on this. If you really believe that magic mushrooms make a healthy person magically sick for no reason to do with some toxins, I seriously doubt I would convince you otherwise.


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26490033 - 02/17/20 01:30 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

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Mushboy, if you honestly believe that something that makes a healthy person sick, sometimes to the point of being violently ill, has NO toxins, then lol we're really going to have to agree to disagree.

Because our bodies don't simply "get sick" after eating something for no reason whatsoever. Further, if you believe that presuming toxicity based upon a visceral reaction like getting sick is playing it fast and loose with anything, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Other than, our bodies don't just get sick for no reason. Some outside stimulus or inner dysfunction has to occur to disrupt the normal homeostatic mechanisms within us that keep us feeling good and healthy.

Again, though, I suggest we agree to disagree on this. If you really believe that magic mushrooms make a healthy person magically sick for no reason to do with toxins, I seriously doubt I would convince you otherwise.




Interesting. I've never seen mushrooms make anyone violently ill. Are you talking about the gas/nausea or the psychological effects?

If the former, I don't see how that is "violently ill". I get slight stomach discomfort and a little gassy from shrooms. Lots of things make me super gassy (more than shrooms) but not in a painful way. I don't see how that is grounds for thinking they are toxic.

I mean I'm no scientist. I have never empirically confirmed, with my own controlled experiments, wether cubes contain toxic chemical or not. I just don't see how assuming a little discomfort means that something is "toxic".


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26490037 - 02/17/20 01:33 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

No I still disagree with you because the mushrooms do not make you sick.

The experience might make you nauseous. Like some people get sea sick but by your logic that means boats are unhealthy.

I forgot the compound in shrooms, chitian? Something like that? But our bodies cant really process it and it does cause some people to have the shits/barf. So you injest tea. Because it filters out the chitan(spelling?).

Tea has never made me ill.. ever. Maybe on high doses but that's because being on an alien world surrounded by beings of light can be really disorienting.


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26490041 - 02/17/20 01:35 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

Actually the vast majority of consumers don't get sick from mushrooms at all.

It's the chitin in shrooms that cannot be digested, hence lead to some nausea. Make a tea and you are good, you don't have to ingest it to trip.
Some stomach discomfort is caused by the serotonin receptor activation in our gut. Caused by the psilocin itself.
And no, psilocin is no toxin. There are no toxins in shrooms. That's a fact.


Shrooms are safe. :sun:
Noone ever died from eating shrooms. The highest reported ammount found by doctors in a holpitalized person's stomache was 1300g of mushrooms. :smirk:

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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26490051 - 02/17/20 01:42 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

Pandemoon, I never said shrooms were deadly. Nor did I say folks shouldn't eat them. But I have taken shrooms, and while I never vomited, I definitely didn't feel right in my gut. I was nauseous for a while, and got slight stomach cramps. Great trip, mind you, but my body was definitely telling me it didn't like something in there! lol My mind, on the other hand, loved it! Tripped on shrooms for the first time at a Dead show, waaaaay back in the early eighties. Was a great show, too, at Madison Square Garden. Awesome early Brent stuff, if anyone is into the Dead.

Look, I'm just saying, violently ill, slightly ill, a little nauseous, or even just getting that sickly little feeling in your gut without vomiting. My body is trying to tell me something. Don't get me wrong, I disregard what my body is telling me when I trip, I know that going in. But I think its important to at leash acknowledge there are some symptoms of toxicity, even if you want to argue that they are mild or slight in some cases.

Edit: Oh and just for the sake of dotting my I's, I am very into intermittent fasting as part of my health regimen. And I can tell you that when I have fasted for 12 hours or more, the nasty, obnoxious digestive systems I feel on shrooms and other psychedelics are drastically curbed. So there's that.

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Interesting. I've never seen mushrooms make anyone violently ill. Are you talking about the gas/nausea or the psychological effects?

If the former, I don't see how that is "violently ill". I get slight stomach discomfort and a little gassy from shrooms. Lots of things make me super gassy (more than shrooms) but not in a painful way. I don't see how that is grounds for thinking they are toxic.

I mean I'm no scientist. I have never empirically confirmed, with my own controlled experiments, wether cubes contain toxic chemical or not. I just don't see how assuming a little discomfort means that something is "toxic".




Fair point. I will say that mushrooms are likely much less toxic than other substances like cacti, MG and HBW seeds, etc. I do know people who got violently ill from shrooms, but I have seen less illness from my tripping friends from mushrooms than other plants.

Mushboy, not the same thing. People who get seasick are falling victim to motion sickness in one form or another, arising possibly from slight neurological issues or issues in their inner ear. Taking in chemicals that cause ill effects in the digestive system is an irritant to the system, also known as toxicity, to one degree or another. Its a poor comparison.


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26490066 - 02/17/20 01:54 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

Agree to disagree is always a good plan.

I don’t ever throw up from tea. Ground up and dried won’t make me even mildly sick, as long as I habituate myself by including edible mushrooms in my normal diet. :shrug:

I will point out that you did it again... “violently ill”? Really? I have had more vomit and pain from eating too many coconut flour cookies than from most Psychedelics I have tried. Acid doesn’t cause vomitting, so it must be healthier than shrooms? I simply refuse to accept that the major reason for getting nauseated is understudied and unnamed toxins. Too scientifically minded to want to use the word “toxic” when referring to food anyway.

You mention that you are using conversational language and therefor are not being as precise as I am demanding, are you sure that isn’t similar to what mushboys first post was? A bit too casual for comfort on a subject you feel strongly about?

I knew I shouldn’t have read anything past:  “First off, nothing I said was ignorant, but before I support my position, let me make it clear”

but, I guess I am a bit of a masochist. I think it’s great to be able to have a variety of opposing views in play, but this kind of argument simply isn’t for me, it is much too tempting for my inner troll.

I will stop tasking you over your opinion and the way it is presented in this thread.


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26490067 - 02/17/20 01:54 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

We all know that there are toxins in MG and HBW seeds, precursors to strychnine, if I remember correctly?

No. Unless they contain this: Strychnos alkaloids (strychnine, brucine, vomicine LOL!), and I don't see it listed here.

Argyreia nervosa (Hawaiian Baby Woodrose)
Argyreia nervosa syn. Argyreia speciosa, also known as Hawaiian baby woodrose, elephant creeper and woolly morning glory, is a large climber in the Convolvulaceae plant family and is a relative of the morning glories and bindweeds [83]. In Ayurvedic medicine, every part of the plant including the seed, leaf, bark and root have usage as they possess a broad-range of pharmacological activities such as antimicrobial, antidiarrhoeal, hepatoprotective, anticonvulsant, antioxidant, aphrodisiac, immunomodulatory, analgesic and anti-inflammatory activity [83]. The seeds are the main NPS materials used as a hallucinogen, and have been used traditionally in a number of diseases in India because of their hypotensive, spasmolytic and anti-inflammatory properties while in Hawaii they are used for religious and sacramental purposes [83].

A. nervosa is recognised as a plant containing lysergic acid amide (LSA), also known as ergine (0.04% by weight) (Fig. 14.10) [84], a precursor to lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD, LSD-25), a well-known synthetic hallucinogenic substance and controlled drug of abuse.


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Figure 14.10. Lysergic acid amide (ergine), a component of Hawaiian baby woodrose is structurally similar to LSD.

However, neurological effects of LSA are similar to those of scopolamine and not to LSD despite the high degree of similarity between both structures (Fig. 14.10). The major components in seeds of A. nervosa are alkaloids (0.5–0.9% by weight) [85], mainly the ergoline-type alkaloids including ergine (d-lysergic acid amide, LSA) and isoergine (l-lysergic acid amide, the isomer of LSA). These two natural products are found in the highest percentage at 0.136% and 0.188%, respectively, of total alkaloids along with ergometrine, lysergol, isolysergol and chanoclavine [84,85]. The amount of indole alkaloids present in Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds is the highest among plants in the Convolvulaceae plant family [85] and 10-fold greater than that of Ipomoea violacea (Morning Glory), a related psychoactive plant in the same family.

NPS users consume on average five to ten seeds of Hawaiian baby woodrose, which is equivalent to 0.14% LSA by weight [4,86], by swallowing the whole or crushed seeds as well as drinking an alcoholic extract or an infusion. This material is sometimes used together with marijuana [87]. Reports from users say that the seeds generate LSD-like actions affecting all sensations, nausea, vomiting, mydriasis, impaired motor skills, along with tranquillising effects which can last for as long as six–eight hours [86,88]. Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds can often be confused with the seeds of I. violacea which are normally dosed at 100–300 seeds (0.02% LSA) [4]. Ingesting more than 12 seeds of A. nervosa can cause highly unpleasant effects such as agitation and tachycardia to fatal doses where the LD50 of seed extract is 500 mg/kg of body weight [4,87,89]. There have been a number of clinical reports of toxicity with reports describing mild to serious adverse effects ranging from nausea, vomiting, tachycardia, hypertension, agitation, disturbances in orientation, visual and auditory hallucination, psychosis and anxiety [86,90]. In one case an individual experienced hallucinations after ingesting the seeds together with smoking Cannabis and he was found dead after jumping from a fourth floor


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26490071 - 02/17/20 01:55 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

Anyway, I think this debate has run its course, and we are now starting to derail the thread. So you guys respond any way you want, and I will let you all have the last word, and for my part, I will simply agree to disagree. If anyone wants to debate this with me privately, send me a PM. If not, I don't want to continue unintentionally hijacking the OP's thread. Peace! :smile:


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26490088 - 02/17/20 02:05 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

”However, neurological effects of LSA are similar to those of scopolamine and not to LSD“

I wonder if scopolamine like effects would account for mr. ft116’s more recent love affair with LSA...

Interesting stuff regardless.


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26490092 - 02/17/20 02:07 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

Oh that figures, now that the science shows up you are looking for the door?

Lol I am jk jk jk

*stuffs his troll-like nature down, again*


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Re: Yes, You CAN Trip Two Days In A Row - In a Bad Mood, On Period [Re: Shr00mEater]
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