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Re: "Consciousness Cannot Have Evolved " [Re: laughingdog]
    #26489277 - 02/17/20 12:42 AM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

The study used modelling associated with deep learning and top-down predictions to hypothesise; 

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  • Drawing upon empirical research into consciousness, we propose a hypothesis that a function of consciousness is to internally generate counterfactual representations detached from the current sensory events.

  • Interactions with generated representations allow an agent to perform a variety of non-reflexive behaviors associated with consciousness such as cognitive functions enabled by consciousness such as intention, imagination, planning, short-term memory, attention, curiosity, and creativity.

  • Applying the predictive coding framework, we propose that information generation is performed by top-down predictions in the brain.

  • The hypothesis suggests that consciousness emerged in evolution when organisms gained the ability to perform internal simulations using generative models.





Non-reflexive simply said, is being focused in a more dynamic way, and I think having a more attuned and developed imaginative, creative, attentive and planning rich cognitive function is what is hypothesised as being evolutionarily beneficial here.


P.S. Again, Bernado's only citation says the complete opposite of the title of his article!


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Re: "Consciousness Cannot Have Evolved " [Re: sudly]
    #26490333 - 02/17/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

"Quote:

"a mysterious, incomprehensible, absolute, monolith."

You say? ---- That's the first I've heard of this"

- - - -- - - - - - -- - - -
.  You seem to think i agree with Bernado. I absolutely do not. I was the first to post a reply to DQ and from the beginning I have raised many objections.
.    As regards my last post, perhaps these folks explain the issue, better than I have, with how certain abuses of language ( which I claim are relevant to Bernado's, and some other's "understandings" of "consciousness") result in misunderstandings, and may have other undesirable effects as well. In fact hey permeate many misunderstandings.
.    In any case it seems an interesting, but subtle part of life & communication, that most miss outside of certain fields like NLP, and language usage. Within these fields it is considered of major importance. Perhaps some here may find it of interest also.








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Re: "Consciousness Cannot Have Evolved " [Re: laughingdog]
    #26491046 - 02/18/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

This says what it means, and argues;

The ability to generate information underlies a variety of cognitive functions associated with consciousness that contribute to mental acuity.

There's a lot of other detail in this journal like,

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Drawing upon empirical literature, here, we propose that a core function of consciousness be the ability to internally generate representations of events possibly detached from the current sensory input.

Such representations are constructed by generative models learned through sensory-motor interactions with the environment.

We argue that the ability to generate information underlies a variety of cognitive functions associated with consciousness such as intention, imagination, planning, short-term memory, attention, curiosity, and creativity, all of which contribute to non-reflexive behavior. 




From another angle.
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While consciousness and intelligence are generally distinguished as separate entities, our hypothesis suggests a possible link between the intelligent behavior endowed by flexible use of internal sensorimotor models and consciousness.

What is the functional benefit of having the ability to generate counterfactual representations? Dennett’s formulation of stages of evolution of minds (Dennett 1996) illustrates the benefit of counterfactuals in evolution and intelligence. Dennett proposed useful distinctions among different stages of the evolution of creatures. These include the following four types of creatures.




The rest can be read in,

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Information generation as a functional basis of consciousness 

By Ryota Kanai








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Re: "Consciousness Cannot Have Evolved " [Re: sudly]
    #26491167 - 02/18/20 05:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

well I hope this has been useful as you resolve your personal key points or questions about consciousness.

I would be very leery of introducing the term information as part of the foundation elements for consciousness since any arrangement of any form of data including the sifting patterns of beach sand, can be called information.

that direction is a bit too loose for me.


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Re: "Consciousness Can Only Have Evolved " [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26492847 - 02/19/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I find it unfair this thread has allowed the spread of fictitious article titles, in relation to their referenced content.

Fear is usually subjectively unless physically threatened or verbally abused.

That fear can drive your heart rate.

And that should be enough, hard problem solved.


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Re: "Consciousness Can Only Have Evolved " [Re: sudly]
    #26493137 - 02/19/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

.  As regards this example in particular: "Fear is usually subjectively unless physically threatened or verbally abused. "

.  Is english your native language? Or do you just post in great haste, or something else?
.  Use of proper grammar really does help, articulate logical thought.
Of course it doesn't matter in everyday life,  probably 90 to 99.9... something % of us  don't speak grammatically. But if you wish to formulate thoughts others can both understand and respect, IMO it sure helps.


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Re: "Consciousness Can Only Have Evolved " [Re: laughingdog]
    #26493393 - 02/19/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Where is this but gramattically not capable to understand? Pass on the flame if yee can not.


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Re: "Consciousness Can Only Have Evolved " [Re: sudly]
    #26493475 - 02/19/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

.  I am not going to teach you grammar online. Ask a few people off line, the more literate the better.
There is absolutely no question that the sentence is poorly formed. Your posts have numerous such problems. Whenever we insist on taking offense we pass up an opportunity to learn something new instead. Entirely your choice. Nothing was said about you personally.


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Re: "Consciousness Can Only Have Evolved " [Re: laughingdog]
    #26493780 - 02/19/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm hard pressed to think you'd ever teach me anything.

The ly on the end of subjective is all you're focusing on :lol:

I actually thought to myself when writing it I'd leave it there, because someone might focus on it and nothing else, and fiddle me timbers here you are.

I said I found the spread of an article with a misleading title an unfair thing, and you come at this from grammar.

This isn't the first time and nor do I believe the last, but thanks for not being relevant once again. .



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