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    #26484389 - 02/13/20 09:12 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

I've been thinking a lot lately about how ever since I was a young kid I've believed that everything was "alive." I remember going up to my dad and telling him that I thought that garbage was alive and I was having a bit of an existential crisis as an 8 year old about it. The recent article posted about how a spiders web is part of their mind strengthens my theory / intuition and has made me think harder about this.
https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/spiders-web-part-its-brain-suggests-new-research?fbclid=IwAR0zRqASlZOEn9WbN0lliZmfZizXXvUEXUe_OAzh6rsU4QU2wmrAYvA1X0E

The fact that most people "believed" that animals had no soul, couldn't feel pain, etc, likely because of social pressures that animals were in some lower form of intelligence or whatever has only changed in VERY recent times. I believe that most people intuitively know but choose to act ignorant about it.






Nietzsche is always the best: http://people.bu.edu/pkatsa/Mind.pdf
‘The mechanistic world is thus imagined as the senses of vision and touch alone could envisage such a world (as in ‘motion’), so as to be predictable … [but] the will to power, which is not a being, not a becoming, but a pathos, is the most elementary fact … . Mechanics … does not so much touch the question of the nature of causal force.’ - Nietzsche

Very good article outlining some interesting points:
https://highexistence.com/panpsychism-3-reasons-why-our-world-brimming-sentience/

I also believe that anthropomorphism and movies like, "The Brave Little Toaster" make this phenomenon worse, but it might be a good thing if panpsychism is completely true. The data seems to suggest it and most people's intuition do too.

Do you think the over anthropomorphizing of cartoons, movies, animals and even cars is a path to compassion or a path to skewed improper thoughts or both?

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Re: Panpsychism [Re: ilus] * 5
    #26484419 - 02/13/20 09:37 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Sam Harris did a great podcast with Donald Hoffman, author of "The Case Against Reality", talking about Panpsychism.

https://samharris.org/subscriber-extras/178-reality-illusion/

I have a very skeptical, scientific worldview, but I honestly still think nobody is close to figuring out where consciousness originates. There are definitely physical ways in which can mess around with it- as we all know well- but it's not clear that we're really messing around with consciousness itself. It could be that consciousness is like a radio broadcasting with a spectrum of frequencies, and that certain molecular geometries lend themselves to persistent quantum decoherence states whose recoherence is determined by certain frequencies of... whatever consciousness is. In that case, all we are doing is messing around with the radio receiver itself. Just because you break a radio doesn't mean the broadcast isn't there waiting to be received.


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: morrowasted]
    #26486145 - 02/14/20 09:09 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Listened to the podcast and I love it!  Sam Harris is a great host and guest.  I'm surprised this hasn't got more replies, this thread would have blown up in the pub a decade ago.

My friend and I refer to it as "whack a mole" - the 'field' where each sentient object pops out of.  People have always put human characteristics in inanimate things, since forever.  I wonder how this affects the development of children psychologically?


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: ilus] * 1
    #26486154 - 02/14/20 09:16 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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  I'm surprised this hasn't got more replies,


I'm not. Make a thread about kratom with basically zero content and it'll get pages of replies. tis the state of things now


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    #26486225 - 02/14/20 10:13 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Re: Panpsychism [Re: ilus] * 2
    #26486305 - 02/14/20 11:21 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Great share. Spider webs are :mindblown:

this goes the same with FLB


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: ilus] * 2
    #26486601 - 02/15/20 06:46 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

are you familiar with Shinto and the Japanese perception of Kami of inanimate objects?

there is also an interesting sub-sect of Mahayana Buddhism that argues all existence is a stream of conciousness, and every manifestation within the stream is an individual conciousness observing and participating in the stream for the duration of its manifestation


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #26486617 - 02/15/20 07:07 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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Who cares go fuck urself lol kid unbelievable



People who don't derive all of their satisfaction in life from using chemicals have a tendency to care about things. Hope this helps.


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: morrowasted]
    #26486705 - 02/15/20 08:44 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Its the 1st time ive heard of shinto. sacred spirits(kami) which take the form of things and concepts important to life, such as wind, rain, mountains, trees, rivers and fertility or better yet mushy(kami)
Its the closes to nature as it can get, Truly a work of art that resonates in their structure and traditions. Im also practiing their farming methods eg. Bokashi etc.. its very effective.


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: Tantrika]
    #26487584 - 02/15/20 08:09 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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Tantrika said:
are you familiar with Shinto and the Japanese perception of Kami of inanimate objects?

there is also an interesting sub-sect of Mahayana Buddhism that argues all existence is a stream of consciousness, and every manifestation within the stream is an individual consciousness observing and participating in the stream for the duration of its manifestation




No! I've seen the symbols and know the name and architecture but didn't know this was relevant to it.  I guess the Yin-Yang is pretty similar as it encompasses the all and shows both ends of the spectrum.


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: ilus]
    #26487731 - 02/15/20 11:03 PM (4 years, 23 hours ago)

Since the origins and the why of consciousness are so poorly understood panpsychism seems to me the best theory going (which isn’t saying much) and it also has a simple intuitive appeal. I used to be adamant that nothing was really alive but what I was really saying is there’s no fundamental difference between living and non-living matter and panpsychism, to me at least, expresses that same line of thinking but in a much more palatable way.

It wasn’t long ago when it was outrageous to think that non-human animals have consciousness or sentience but now I’m pretty sure that just seems completely counter-intuitive to pretty much everybody. So extending that recognition further probably isn’t as outlandish as it now seems.

I think coming to the realization that freewill is an illusion and totally impossible on any level brings you so much closer to real understanding of the nature of consciousness and that in return will bring you to the point where you can see that panpsychism isn’t nearly as far fetched as it might seem at first.


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You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

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Re: Panpsychism [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #26488027 - 02/16/20 08:54 AM (4 years, 13 hours ago)

Yup, I think freewill is in this weird category of being us having it and not having it.  Just the fact that things will happen and events could theoretically be mapped (the past too) shows that free will is sort of an illusion - but somehow there is some magic there that nobody can explain.  I believe the new research on plants having even more sentient qualities such as having friends, sharing resources, branches not touching each other as much as possible...  The more you look at nature, the more you realize everything around you is alive or was made from something alive.


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: ilus]
    #26488322 - 02/16/20 12:19 PM (4 years, 10 hours ago)

Yeah I was thinking about mentioning plants, too.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: ilus] * 2
    #26488340 - 02/16/20 12:32 PM (4 years, 10 hours ago)

Very cool topic. In Pleiadian New Age Spiriuality, all objects of Creation (aka matter in the Universe) has some level of consciousness in it. Even rocks have a very basic level of consciousess.

Heres a quote from the book pictured below:

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Though it appears to most of you that basic matter is souless and unfeeling, there is actually some degree of life within all things.




The reason for this is basically the concept of Unity, that Creation, God and the Universe are all interconnected/interwoven. There is no seperation, just different layers, different frequencies, different levels of conscious awarenness.




I read recently that scientists discovered that plants actually respond to "pain" when you damage them. You guys hear about this ground-breaking research?

Heres an article showing a plants response to the sound of insects chewing on leaves: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00442-014-2995-6

I bet more evidence like this will come out showing that plants are indeed conscious, but on a much simplier than human consciousness, but still a type of consciousness.


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26488351 - 02/16/20 12:39 PM (4 years, 10 hours ago)

Does that mean gluons have consciousness?


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26488400 - 02/16/20 01:09 PM (4 years, 9 hours ago)

Consciousness is a fundamental property of energy.

There is an I AM underlying everything that is.

All this I is One.



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    #26488568 - 02/16/20 03:11 PM (4 years, 7 hours ago)

If I was a gluon what would I be thinking?....


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    #26488754 - 02/16/20 05:32 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago)

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If I was a gluon what would I be thinking?....




What would you be gossiping with those two quarks you're arm in arm with?

The inner life of a gluon..

One would think its very basic, but who knows.


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: Asante]
    #26488818 - 02/16/20 06:06 PM (4 years, 4 hours ago)

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Quote:

spirit_shadow said:
If I was a gluon what would I be thinking?....




What would you be gossiping with those two quarks you're arm in arm with?

The inner life of a gluon..

One would think its very basic, but who knows.




I guess the gluon...


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I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Panpsychism [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26488870 - 02/16/20 06:34 PM (4 years, 4 hours ago)

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Very cool topic. In Pleiadian New Age Spiriuality, all objects of Creation (aka matter in the Universe) has some level of consciousness in it. Even rocks have a very basic level of consciousess.

Heres a quote from the book pictured below:

Quote:

Though it appears to most of you that basic matter is souless and unfeeling, there is actually some degree of life within all things.




The reason for this is basically the concept of Unity, that Creation, God and the Universe are all interconnected/interwoven. There is no seperation, just different layers, different frequencies, different levels of conscious awarenness.




I read recently that scientists discovered that plants actually respond to "pain" when you damage them. You guys hear about this ground-breaking research?

Heres an article showing a plants response to the sound of insects chewing on leaves: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00442-014-2995-6

I bet more evidence like this will come out showing that plants are indeed conscious, but on a much simplier than human consciousness, but still a type of consciousness.




Quite intersting youve mentioned rocks, even in the scriptures tells that there is a possibilities that the stones may cry out if the disciples are force to shut their mouths..

Quote:

He answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out loud.” Luke 19




Thinkering about it, even a simple loudspeaker/woofer does this, with its main component being a magnet, which is not far from rocks/stones.

interms of my plants, ive noticed they induce SAR defense when some of them are stressed, thus signaling the other neigboring close plants thru the roots in soil to prepare, thus resulting in less damage/pest while they wait for beneficial insects to comein(lacewing etc) & balance it out.

Im a bit lazy AF & I mostly only care for the soil which also seems to have a concious microbiome of its own, feeding it with pure organics(bokashi) & specially spent dung and mulch feels so right, then most of the plants does the rest to provide without any additional care or any other synthetic inputs & pesticide which ive used before. The fruits are much much sweeter compared to the grocery bought. Together with some  :mushroomgrow: every now and then which are not present from my beds from before.



Insect & Fungal attack is on the left side of the images single plant & while the rest of em are without. Even in close proximity.


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