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    #26488469 - 02/16/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: Moving to Spirituality and Mysticism


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26488482 - 02/16/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Uh oh, I think this is going to be an interesting thread to follow. :popcorn:

Unless you are ready, willing and able to have some of your beliefs challenged strongly, this might be not be the best part of the forum to post this in. :cool:

The subject of your post might generate more positive feedback in this Shroomery Forum:

Spiritually and Mysticism Forum


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26488496 - 02/16/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Reposted in Spirituality and Mysticism. Pardon me!


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26488564 - 02/16/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ugh the cricket messes it all up! I heard the Bane but sounded like it was regular noise of someone speaking.

Idk..


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Cosmic Eye]
    #26488581 - 02/16/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

UGH I know, bloody cricket ruined two and a half hours of recording.

I remember asking, I remember laughing, I do not at all remember whispering anything in between and was definitely too fucked up at the time to change my voice like that, if you hear how I was speaking. It's even more spooky to me that it sounds like a normal person to you. I was entirely alone.


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26492799 - 02/19/20 03:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Shr00mEater said:
Uh oh, I think this is going to be an interesting thread to follow. :popcorn:

Unless you are ready, willing and able to have some of your beliefs challenged strongly, this might be not be the best part of the forum to post this in. :cool:

The subject of your post might generate more positive feedback in this Shroomery Forum:

Spiritually and Mysticism Forum




Dangit, I thought moving this was a sensible idea but the topic totally died over there - didn't realize how quiet that part of the forum is. I don't honestly care if the feedback is positive - I just want to know what others are hearing in this. I don't know if people have nothing to say because they're too spooked, unsure, or skeptical  :takingnotes:


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26492833 - 02/19/20 05:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That sucks, I can tell you, I fit into the very skeptical crowd. So, I would only be trying to talk you out of thinking they are real, which I don’t think is a realistic endeavor.

I am a skeptic, because I did catch an evp once, way back when GhostHunters first came on tv.

After I had listened to it several times, and freaked myself out plenty, I started thinking.....

I am 95% sure that it is mostly wishful thinking and a type of placebo effect. I have not studied the phenomena extensively, but for me evp, seance, channeling and automatic handwriting are all in the same category of mental magic.

Now that I have voiced an opposing opinion..... the lurkers will surely come out of the corners to tell me how wrong I am and we can get this thread some traction. :laugh:


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26492848 - 02/19/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't hear a huge difference between your voice and the bane. I also know I've said plenty of things that I've forgotten after my trip that others seemed to recall differently than me, so I don't think your memory is a great source of reliable data.

That said, i still get goose pimples listening to it.


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26492861 - 02/19/20 05:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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That said, i still get goose pimples listening to it.




I think that's what got me about it - the visceral reaction I had when I heard it in passing over every other nonsense sound throughout.

It's fair I may have a memory gap; I'm fairly new to shrooms and don't fully know what to expect or remember, but at no other point over more than three hours do I ever speak like that again, nor is there anything else I completely don't remember doing or saying.


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I have not studied the phenomena extensively, but for me evp, seance, channeling and automatic handwriting are all in the same category of mental magic.





I have to disagree somewhat - due to personally witnessing other shamans channel highly specific and sensitive information they have absolutely no other access to... and doing so myself involuntarily in early training.

Bear in mind that I also asked what it was in the first place due to feeling a presence, and the laughter was caused by a nonverbal response I was aware of at the time - which is why hearing this afterward in that timeframe is so alarming.


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26492942 - 02/19/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Our minds have a way about satisfying our beliefs and shamans know that.
They're highly skilled at suggestion and illusion. So much that they can draw out your beliefs and manipulate them like play-doh.
People on hallucinogens are especially susceptible participants in the act.

This isn't to say that what you're experiencing isn't real, however.
But that's a whole other mess of philosophy.


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: footpath]
    #26493042 - 02/19/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The branch of shamanism I'm involved in generally uses dance and drum-induced trance, not psychedelics. Be that as it may, there are things that occur in the practice you would have to see to believe, and even then people doubt what they experienced firsthand because it doesn't align with their skeptical views.

The final test to graduate involves locating an animal and other items that have been hidden from the trainee. The ancestors then need to guide us to the location. If one fails this test they are not ready to serve the community as a shaman. You can't suggest or manipulate someone into finding something they don't know the location of.

There are indeed certain mind-bending matters regarding patients - because belief is required for things to take effect - even in regards to modern medicine. Do not begin to assume our practice is entirely some kind of illusory manipulation as a result.

I find it hilarious that trippers experience some of the most cosmic, spiritual, mind-opening events through psychedelics but seem to balk at the idea of this occurring through other means or any of it being "real" outside of the substances they used to enter the space.


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26493058 - 02/19/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You have a preoccupation with a fictional universe.  Most people do and is a great way for the mind to explore the infinite possibilities.  Bane represents an archetype to you with significance at your current point in life's journey.

Bane does not exist in reality so could not channel itself through an interdimensional portal to communicate with you however.


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26493069 - 02/19/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I go by a principle of believing only half of what I see, and even less of what I hear. It’s worked out ok for me so far.

The debate points you are bringing up right now, are part of why I wish the spirituality and mysticism forum would have picked it up. 75% chance this thread nose dives into personal attacks, red herrings and straw man arguments.

But, since we are already here, I will push a bit.

1. You said that your practice is not -entirely- manipulation and illusion, so are you allowing that there may be certain parts of the practice which are illusions?

2. How are you so confident that a person absolutely couldn’t be manipulated into locating an object? Especially, if at least one person in the group knows where the item is, couldn’t there be subtle cues that could potentially be perceived and responded to?


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26493073 - 02/19/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I find it hilarious that trippers experience some of the most cosmic, spiritual, mind-opening events through psychedelics but seem to balk at the idea of this occurring through other means or any of it being "real" outside of the substances they used to enter the space.




My statement didn't have any bit of resistance to the idea that these things occur with under many different circumstances.
"People on hallucinogens" is a broad statement only partially relevant to psychedelics. Physical stimuli and emotions, too, can obviously cause a hallucinogenic state. Perhaps using 'on' wasn't the best choice of words. So, I'll revise that to "People in a hallucinogenic state"
Furthermore, there's nothing to imply that I've suggested that what you experience with psychedelic use is anything more or less real than what you experience from any other hallucinogenic state.


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26493080 - 02/19/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I never claimed to have contacted a comic character - in fact, I only asked if anyone else heard it as "Bane" in the first place due to my own bias in what I was working on (not that it had anything to do with that character) and what a strange coincidence that it would say that name of all things. Even if that is what it said, I wouldn't begin to assume that's what was occurring.

As for Shr00m:
1 - I think a certain level of spectacle is required to bring a patient into the headspace required to work with them, and sometimes to induce self-healing, which could be considered a manipulation with the theatrics being a level of illusion. This doesn't mean these elements are fake or dishonest, but certainly, there is a mental aspect to be stimulated.

2 - Hinting to the trainee completely defeats the purpose of this process - we're not kids on an Easter egg hunt with giddy parents pointing their eyes in the right direction. The trainee travels far away from the gathered community to locate the animal/object, where no one else is to interfere.


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26493117 - 02/19/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Good answer on the first question.

Second one, I feel like you just repeated the statement that “it couldn’t be a trick because it isn’t.”
I am asking why such certainty? Just because you don’t think it’s an Easter egg hunt. Doesn’t mean it isn’t. The kids hunting the eggs very much believe a bunny laid those colorful eggs. They are incorrect, but they don’t question it too much because they are getting something they enjoy out of it.

I would need to see the activity in person to ask better questions.


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26493141 - 02/19/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I know for one because I locate missing objects or things I need but am not even sure are around in this manner pretty regularly - no one else knows where the thing is either, sometimes in places I've never been and don't know well. I get a niggling feeling to go walk to a certain area of the farm I'm on and will always discover an abandoned calf or sick/trapped animal, etc, there if I do. Anyone is capable of that - we just expand on it. I've had a whole group of shamans insist the thing I was looking for was gone while they sat back and scolded me for bothering, and I went and found the thing almost immediately despite them. It's standard fare for us before that final test. If you're going to ask why fully fledged shamans couldn't detect the thing that I could, it's because they so strongly believed it wasn't there to be found and thus did not attempt to.

For two, there really is no cue a member of the community can give you while they're all back in the village and you've run way out into the wilderness completely out of view and shouting distance - unless you read their mind somehow.

Unfortunately I cannot prove these things to you over the internet. I didn't start this thread to debate shamanism, however.


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26493175 - 02/19/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Good example! At least for me, Since, I have been mulling over my uncanny ability to find missing items. I can see what you mean, it definitely has a mysterious feeling to it when I get an “impression” and then find the item in a strange or unknown location. It is an attractive idea to me. But, I still resist holding a strong opinion on the subject, exactly because I have psychedelic experience. Not in spite of it.

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Unfortunately I cannot prove these things to you over the internet. I didn't start this thread to debate shamanism, however.




I doubt you could prove these things to me in person, at least beyond any shadow of my ability to doubt. I have a fairly well developed sense of doubt.

And, yes you did. You brought shamanism to bear as a point for supernatural occurrences just two posts ago. 😊


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26493186 - 02/19/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Unfortunately I cannot prove these things to you over the internet. I didn't start this thread to debate shamanism, however.




I doubt you could prove these things to me in person, at least beyond any shadow of my ability to doubt. I have a fairly well developed sense of doubt.

And, yes you did. You brought shamanism to bear as a point for supernatural occurrences just two posts ago. 😊




That's entirely fine - we have effectively treated people who still treated us with disdain, skepticism, mistrust or fear even after being cured of their ailment.

I brought shamanism up, yes, but I did not start the thread to discuss it. :wink:


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Re: Recorded Mushroom EVPs [Re: Coulrophany]
    #26493207 - 02/19/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Look - anyone can "prove" me wrong by insisting such things don't exist simply because they've never experienced it for themselves. You can debate me all day. I came here hoping to find at least one person open minded and curious enough about such phenomenon to perhaps do some experiments for themselves and see if this is kind of incident is worth further investigation. The worst that can happen is nothing happens.

If you have a microphone, set it up with Audacity for your next trip. If nothing happens, you can comfortably decide this incident was some tripped out nonsense. What if you do catch something strange?

What do you have to lose?


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