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All-in-one grow bag
#26468494 - 02/04/20 12:59 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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I am trying out the all-in-one grow bags that I got from a vendor. I inoculated them yesterday with 3 cc's each. I used one injection point to place one CC in three different locations in the middle of the grain portion of the bag. This is a multi-spore experiment. I put the bags in the cabinet above the refrigerator so they will be nice and warm.
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 After 11 days I finally got some indication of growth. I injected the grain in the middle of the bag, and I was afraid that it would take forever before it made it's way out. This is the PES Amazonian.
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I’ve noticed with bags done by and syringe so far once you start seeing growth like that reach the outside you most likely have a nice ball of growth in the middle and you can break it up now if not within the next few days and it will finish up within about a week usually.
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looks like it might b contam with bacteria might just b the pic but it looks wet and slimy in there to me post another pic thats better and more clear with less glare if u can. it will b easier to tell for sure. spores to grain is risky most of the time anyway then add the risk of buying premade shit. cuz half the time its already garbage from the get go. u just double your chances of failure. either way its gnna b a crap shoot goin spores to grain
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: jcm4620]
#26486186 - 02/14/20 09:46 PM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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I don't think it looks bacterial just yet. There are a lot of burst grains though that are probably giving that wet appearance.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: iwh678]
#26486287 - 02/14/20 11:09 PM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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This is actually the PF Classic, the Amazonians have not yet displayed. The grains are still loose.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: iwh678]
#26486417 - 02/15/20 01:44 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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iwh678 said: I don't think it looks bacterial just yet. There are a lot of burst grains though that are probably giving that wet appearance.
Those bags are waaaay over hyrated. Even if that spore syringe was clean, it will be a struggle to colonize that thing, if at all.
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I think those bags are fine, over-hydrated grains look nothing like this
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: eLeSDenes]
#26488443 - 02/16/20 01:42 PM (4 years, 10 hours ago) |
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I think that the Amazonians are finally showing. Not enough yet to make a determination, but enough to give me hope that this project is not a waste of time.
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Yeah bags look good to me. Maybe he ment that they were overcooked during the steaming process.
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Sockadin said: Yeah bags look good to me. Maybe he ment that they were overcooked during the steaming process.

Taking a look at this pic, you can see the grains are over saturated. The substrate material above the grains looks plenty hydrated as well. When you have a bunch of shit stacked on top if each other like that in a big bag, it is best to under hydrate everything. If there's too much water, compaction becomes an issue. Basically it will stifle the mycelium, inhibiting growth, or stopping it all together.
Anything like this from a vendor is usally trash. They target the ill-informed.
Just inject with spores and you'll have mushies in no time. Super easy, super fast!!! Buy a heating mat for that overpriced bag, and shit will grow EVEN faster!!
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The bags were prepared by a vendor, and they are very shiny. The grain looks a lot damper in the photo than it really is. I am keeping a pretty close watch on both bags. The Amazons just started to show some mycelium, but not enough to take a pic. I am trying not to disturb the bags too much to allow the mycelium to get a really good start before I mix the grain into the substrate. Thanks for your input though, this is my first attempt at grain and manure. I am hoping that I can get larger fruits with fewer aborts.
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Good luck, man. I hope those work out for you. Keep us aprised.
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Sockadin said: Yeah bags look good to me. Maybe he ment that they were overcooked during the steaming process.
Ok I see it now. Yeah they do look slimy. No reason to despair, just leave them alone for a month and forget you did anything.

Taking a look at this pic, you can see the grains are over saturated. The substrate material above the grains looks plenty hydrated as well. When you have a bunch of shit stacked on top if each other like that in a big bag, it is best to under hydrate everything. If there's too much water, compaction becomes an issue. Basically it will stifle the mycelium, inhibiting growth, or stopping it all together.
Anything like this from a vendor is usally trash. They target the ill-informed.
Just inject with spores and you'll have mushies in no time. Super easy, super fast!!! Buy a heating mat for that overpriced bag, and shit will grow EVEN faster!!
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: Sockadin]
#26488979 - 02/16/20 07:41 PM (4 years, 4 hours ago) |
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 Here is another shot in a different lighting condition.
From what I can tell so far it is working just fine. This is truly very much the same as the PF tek. I have been using the PF Tek for about 25 years, and yes, I have had some failures from time to time, but, the vast majority were clean. The substrate bags were created by people who know a lot more about it than I do. I paid less than $20 per bag and saved me hours that I would have spent doing it myself, and I am sure with better results.
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I am sure that you should end up with something. Please do not plug sponsors because they only sell cultivation supplies for edible gourmet mushrooms.
Even if there is a contamination in the bag, which I do not think there is. I think the grain is over hydrated and the coir mixture at the top may be adding excess moisture to your spawn you really don't know until it is obvious or until you put it into fruiting. Because we often fruit in open air conditions no spore print, or spore syringe is clean and anytime you use a syringe you run the risk of introducing a contamination like a bacteria or mold into your sterilized substrate. Honestly OP, I wouldn't worry about it. Throw that thing in a drawer or shelf and forget about it for 3-4 weeks. Put a timer on your phone to remind you it is there. Lets check back in 4 weeks and have a conversation about fruiting options.
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MushkingMulah360 said: I’ve noticed with bags done by and syringe so far once you start seeing growth like that reach the outside you most likely have a nice ball of growth in the middle and you can break it up now if not within the next few days and it will finish up within about a week usually.
I don't know how large the mycelium is but it has definitely grown since I took the pictures. but the grain is moving around pretty easily, so I think I am going to wait awhile before I break it up and mix it with the manure substrate. I will keep you posted.
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Just an update on the PF grow bag. I have jostled the grains around some among themselves.
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21 days all-in-one grow bag progress. I think that I will let it go another week, and break it up and mix it.
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usually all in one bags that are pre made will contain everything but mushrooms lol. pre made shit is trash 75% of the time if not higher then add in the fact you are shooting dirty ass spores into them= a great formula for failure
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