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7 grams to Psychosis * 1
    #26487284 - 02/15/20 04:00 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

I recently had a mushroom induced trainwreck, and I feel compelled to share my experience. 

Back in November, I took 7 grams Johns Hopkins style and had the easiest, gentlest, most elegant trip of my life.  I wrote it up here

7 days later I was psychotic, in the seclusion room of my local psych ward, naked, punching the walls until my knuckles bled.  I had a manic episode at the same time, which lasted over a month, most of which was spent in the psych ward.

I have bipolar disorder type 1--the most severe form--and have had manic episodes that were drug induced and ones that were not.  I've used psychedelics at least 30 or 40 times in my adult life, I lost count long ago, and had no problems until now. 

There is a case to be made that the onset of this manic episode was a mere coincidence.  The argument against that is that I proceeded to psychosis more or less immediately, which is not typical; usually psychosis in mania is the result of sleeping 3 hours a night for weeks at a time (lack of REM).

Every good book I read on psychedelics warned against people with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia taking psychedelics.  I thought I was safe with mushrooms because mania is more or less a dopamine thing, and shrooms don't touch dopamine receptors.  I thought I was safe because I had always been safe.  I thought I was safe because mushrooms are a sacrament, and how could a sacrament exclude people, especially ones that are suffering the most?

My understanding of the Johns Hopkins research is that they screen out people who have family histories of psychotic disorders.  I wish I would have paid attention to that. 

The thing that really kicks me in the balls the hardest is, I still believe in psychedelics.  I know too much about them to mentally throw them away.  They are some of the most promising drugs ever, and it hurts to watch the psychedelic renaissance continue without being able to participate.  I never got to try DMT/aya, either. 

I don't want to type forever and I don't want to preach.  But I've learned the hard way that I have to let go of psychedelics completely, and I would encourage anyone that has a family or personal history of bipolar/schizophrenia/psychosis to quit while they're ahead.  A psychotic or manic episode is enough to destroy your life. 

There's just no way I can use this stuff ever again.  I wish you all the best.


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: PrimeNumber] * 1
    #26487315 - 02/15/20 04:24 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

..... so what happened?


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: magicschoolbus]
    #26487392 - 02/15/20 05:23 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

If it were me, i'd try mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT with Harmalas (Psilohuasca) or Ayahuasca before totally giving up, or experimenting around with adding admixture plants or supplements or certain essential oils with the Psychedelic of choice, as you can add a lot to the Psychedelic and alter it in favorable ways as to cut back on potential risks or bring certain aspects out or flavor it to your liking to better fit your own neurochemistry or whatever the case may be, there's a lot of potential in herbal combinations with Psychedelics, rather than just relying solely on the Psychedelic itself. I mean ultimately it's your body/mind, and your choice, but i think it's a worthy area of investigation but perhaps some are not stable enough for such experimentation. Also keep in mind the dosage, sometimes, for some people, more is not better, if you can use a low to moderate dosage, or a high dosage but not heavy dosage, and get good results, then no need to push it imo.


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #26487670 - 02/15/20 09:43 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Maybe just scroll these forums every now and then and laugh at the bullshit trips everyone is posting on here, you have to be gentle to yourself sometimes and respectful of reality you cant escape problems from a drug, scars should be worn with pride. If you see shadows and shit don't take psychedelics. I probably have mania, and bipolar lol but idgaf because if i don't believe in those disorders or rather i have no way to know if i have them because it all feels self induced and subjective anyways, what good is it going to do me to avoid shit that might trigger an episode. Also don't ever go to a psych ward again lol and especially not naked and don't punch walls because they'll put you on all types of atrocious shit, i've been there several times. Everyday feels like a psychotic or manic episode to me, shit i do to myself to ward off a pointless existence. Sometimes you need to be a passenger, kind of watch all the stuff your brain likes to do get used to it so you dont get totally consumed by it


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: Backbone]
    #26487781 - 02/16/20 12:50 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Well, you did 7g

So what was the psychosis about?


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26488075 - 02/16/20 09:28 AM (4 years, 20 hours ago)

I too was recently diagnosed with bipolar and paranoia... I was also in and out of the psych ward last year. They gave me medication that I took for several months before realizing how shity they made me feel. I’ve been off my meds for over two months now and feel waaaay better!

Did Lucy a few times so far this year and I feel like it’s helped me more than any of the crap they tried to give me. I almost feel that medication they give is just marketing bullshit. I’d never take pharmaceuticals ever again!!

Going to do mushrooms again soon. I recommend anyone with a “mental disorder” not to believe in the hype of modern medicine and instead go the psychedelic route. Doctors make stuff up... a diagnosis can even be a death sentence in some cases. If you believe something enough it becomes reality. Change your mind and the world changes with you.


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: MadHatter333]
    #26488104 - 02/16/20 09:55 AM (4 years, 20 hours ago)

I didnt say doctors make shit up (but they do) i just said its impossible to know if you really have a disorder like that tbh more so when youre young because how would you know until youve experienced the symptoms or had something to relate them to . I quit taking my medications and ima be real with you i wake up and it feels like i have a tourniquet around my brain stem, As soon as i start doing stuff it kinda goes away though.


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: PrimeNumber] * 2
    #26488115 - 02/16/20 10:01 AM (4 years, 20 hours ago)

Quote:

PrimeNumber said:
I thought I was safe because mushrooms are a sacrament, and how could a sacrament exclude people, especially ones that are suffering the most?





As much as I love shrooms I really disagree with this statement and imo this attitude gets lots of people in trouble.


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: mushboy]
    #26829757 - 07/17/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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mushboy said:
Quote:

PrimeNumber said:
I thought I was safe because mushrooms are a sacrament, and how could a sacrament exclude people, especially ones that are suffering the most?





As much as I love shrooms I really disagree with this statement and imo this attitude gets lots of people in trouble.




I definitely agree with this. The comment sounds very 'entitled to an experience' to me.

I feel a lot less bad that this user called me a cunt because I said trip-reports were masturbatory :lol:


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #26829813 - 07/17/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Don’t get too down on yourself now, you’re still participating every day & every night. :thumbup:

What do you think our so called ordinary experience is? 
And how about our dreams at night when we go to sleep?

You can’t tell me when you are thinking of this or that - that you aren’t experiencing something which is absent from objective reality - yet - perceptible to only yourself - ie.  is naturally hallucinogenic, all of our sense experience is.

You can’t tell me that laying in bed and hallucinating deeply & magically every night isn’t participating, you just can’t.  Now a days I only really feel the need to take a big trip once or twice, maybe three times a year at most - even then, it’s about life & awareness - something I don’t actually need psychedelics for if I’m really paying attention.  It’s okay to not use psychedelics.

Become aware of the primal trip.


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26829855 - 07/17/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Don’t get too down on yourself now, you’re still participating every day & every night. :thumbup:

What do you think our so called ordinary experience is? 
And how about our dreams at night when we go to sleep?

You can’t tell me when you are thinking of this or that - that you aren’t experiencing something which is absent from objective reality - yet - perceptible to only yourself - ie.  is naturally hallucinogenic, all of our sense experience is.

You can’t tell me that laying in bed and hallucinating deeply & magically every night isn’t participating, you just can’t.  Now a days I only really feel the need to take a big trip once or twice, maybe three times a year at most - even then, it’s about life & awareness - something I don’t actually need psychedelics for if I’m really paying attention.

Become aware of the primal trip.




What a beautiful message :heart:


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: PrimeNumber]
    #26829905 - 07/17/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My man :frown:

I read a lot of sadness in your post for which you definitely have not received enough sympathy from the folks in this thread. Perhaps you didn't post for sympathy - more a warning? Regardless, I am sorry that this happened to you and that you have to (at least) consider stepping away from psychedelics.

To the other guys who have had diagnoses thrown at you, I respect that that feels like antagonism from the medical establishment. The DSM labels lack any of the nuance needed to capture what it is like to be you. To boot, the use of psycho-pharmaceuticals is equivalent to using a hammer to thread a needle. But I have worked in psyc wards (as a student) and there are MANY people who DO NOT need any more rhetorical, let alone pharmaceutical, encouragement to completely lose it.

I feel for anyone who is in your shoes OP. I wish you well.


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: microbiome88]
    #26829949 - 07/17/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

A lot of people aren't giving the guy(girl?) sympathy because they are acting recklessly and dangerously. They need professional help, not mushrooms.


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: Azure Essence]
    #26829985 - 07/18/20 12:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
A lot of people aren't giving the guy(girl?) sympathy because they are acting recklessly and dangerously. They need professional help, not mushrooms.




I understand your perspective , Im just tryna catch these flies (in this case potentially disaffected folks who are marginalised by mainstream society who are trying to convince them that their fast, creative and/or elevated perspective is crazy) with honey :smile:


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: microbiome88]
    #26830023 - 07/18/20 12:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The OP hasn't been on here in 4 months. Thoughts to him for healing.


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: microbiome88]
    #26830043 - 07/18/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

To the OP..

Sorry you had such a long psychotic episode. I get the feeling you are at a place now where you can separate the good a bad (bullshit) responses that have been posted thus far.

The recommendation to avoid psychedelics when you have a psychiatric history is not a hard rule. There is most likely but not proven to be a higher chance of negative consequences such a the psychotic break you experienced.

The fact that you have used mushrooms many times before without becoming psychotic is evidence of that.

The risk is always going to be there and the choice is always yours. It is simply a risk/benefit decision. You know your mind and body more than another person could ever or should ever suppose to know.

I am not a proponent of medication but there exceptions and extreme cases.

I would start by going back to the basics. Healthy diet, exercise and sleep if possible. Give yourself some time to heal from this experience and don’t put too much pressure on deciding the future of your psychedelic usage. The mind can be very resilient and self heal given time and gentle care.


Ignore the A-holes on this forum that have never seen or experienced a psychotic break/episode. Their  comments are glaringly obvious and blatantly irresponsible.

For now just focus on the “easiest, gentlest, and most elegant trip of your life” that you experienced before the shit hit the fan. Most of the “civilians” out there will never experience a trip at all during their entire lifetime. Hold on to the positivity of that moment and don’t let go. Push the negative shit out the door. You went through hell and survived, able to share and educate the rest of us.

Your honesty and ability to share is a demonstration of strength and character.

Hope you venture back and read this someday.


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: FrancoAmerican]
    #26830236 - 07/18/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

For the record, my opinion is that the medical establishment really doesnt know shit when it comes to the mind or mental disorders

Basically we read a book that lists disorders and criteria and if you meet a certain number of criteria bam, you have it and bam, the book tells you how to treat it (meds and therapy)

Kind of a guessing game shit show if you ask me

Very few professionals are operating from a place of direct experience which lead to wisdom and qualifications to treat this stuff

I admit some have a better idea than others and many know more than me

Shroomerite doctors will aparantly diagnose you based on some txt in a post

Complete fucking ignorance and arrogance sitting on their horse

What a joke

Take it with a grain of salt

Hope the best for you op.. Stick in there


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: Enkidu]
    #26830433 - 07/18/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid: Absolutely.

I was on SSRIs for 7 years. I have been free this month, completely, for 4 years. Best thing I ever did, coming off that shot.

But get this. It was only when I was coming off them, doing my research, and all that. It dawned on me that the doctors had been using me basically as a guinea pig. They put me on one; I could not stop rolling with laughter at work. They put me on another; my teeth and tongue went black. They put me on another; I could not get out of bed, work put me on variable hours for 9 months so I could start at say 11am, but then did my 8 hours. They stop working after about a year. They put me on something else; it didn’t work. They put me on another.

This went on. Alll in all they put me on about 7 different types of SSRI. None worked. The final straw was with the last SSRI, I lost the ability to actually feel joy. Can’t think of the medical term for it, but life became unbearable.

Mushrooms saved my life, literally. But the doctors have no FUCKING idea how the brain works, how SSRIs work, and s-ecifically how SSRIs work on your brain.

Rosalind Watts (ICLMLondon, psilocybin research team) said about a year ago in an interview, that the medical professionals and pharmaceuticals HAVE NO LONG TERM DATA ON THE SAFETY OF SSRIS. They only have enough evidence to pass the FDA checks and allow them to go on sale to the public. Think about that, people. Maybe that’s why the withdrawal symptoms are so bad, many people stay on them for life.

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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26830446 - 07/18/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Anhedonia :sad:

Glad you made it off ssri slop.  I had a very similar tussle with them for a year, switching around from this to that and so on etc-  all for those awful side effects, risks & consequences, and negligible benefit! - what a nightmare! Cheers to freedom :cheers:


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Re: 7 grams to Psychosis [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26830460 - 07/18/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
Anhedonia :sad:

Glad you made it off ssri slop.  I had a very similar tussle with them for a year, switching around from this to that and so on etc-  all for those awful side effects, risks & consequences, and negligible benefit! - what a nightmare! Cheers to freedom :cheers:




:cheers: my friend


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