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Offlinefeldman114
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485204 - 02/14/20 10:50 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

What’s arbitrary about it?

His life isn’t being affected by at least 50 of his $120B. But the same money can drastically improve the lives of others. How do you morally justify not giving it to them?


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485207 - 02/14/20 10:51 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

You'll be worse off? Worse off than what? Than you were $100 ago?

Then how does it follow that Jeff wouldn't be $100,000,000 worse off if he gave that to a homeless guy?

The number of zeros doesn't change anything here.


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Invisiblelarry.fisherman
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485208 - 02/14/20 10:51 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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susurrador said:
Thanks for asking the question.

Having the ability to help does not mean one should be morally obligated. How many times have you passed someone on the street against which your pile of shit is the huge pile? And could you have done more for that person than you did? And should that person with the smaller pile of shit be able to determine the width and breath of your help or kickdowns?

Fak no.



You're really comparing me to Jeff Bezos? I'm flattered, lol, but it makes no sense. That's where you go back and read my anaology of walking with a hitchhiker. Helping a homeless person would effect me. To Bezos, it's a damn sneeze. Don't make false equivalencies to validate your lack of societal understanding. Civilization's root word is civil, meaning our entire modern existence is built upon being nice to one another. Then you have capitalism and it gets pushed into people's heads like a cancer and you gotta debate with folks whether helping people matters :cookiemonster:


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485210 - 02/14/20 10:52 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

yeah cause you are arguing from inside a vacuum

infinite zeros


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485212 - 02/14/20 10:53 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

You're saying the rules change once you add some arbitrary number of zeros to a person's net worth.


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485213 - 02/14/20 10:54 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

its not arbitrary at all

and it should change given the circumstances of the time

if ceo's were smart they would be ahead of this


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador] * 2
    #26485214 - 02/14/20 10:54 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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susurrador said:
You'll be worse off? Worse off than what? Than you were $100 ago?

Then how does it follow that Jeff wouldn't be $100,000,000 worse off if he gave that to a homeless guy?

The number of zeros doesn't change anything here.



I have a budged, you hopelessly detached creature.
Some people earn their living. If I give $100 away, I have to eat worse, or skip that concert I want to go to, or pay my bills late. Losing $100 has an effect on me.

Jeff’s life wouldn’t be any different if he had $50b less. Literally nothing would change for him.

How difficult is this?


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #26485220 - 02/14/20 10:57 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
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feldman114 said:
Equal cut? What? No one said anything about taking his money and dividing it amongst everyone lol.

How about taking half that money and fixing EVERY orphanage in the country?

Or fuck that, just spend $60b on a huge party! It’ll still boost the economy. Meanwhile, hoarding the cash that he will never be able to spend is shrinking the economy for everyone.

Sure, you can still make it. But if it wasn’t for the hoarding by the 1%, you AND another bloke could’ve both made it. Instead, one of you will outcompete the other into bankruptcy



You misunderstand what I'm saying. Having people invest in the creation of new goods and services is beneficial to our species and has been responsible for massive increases in quality of life.

the 1% dont hoard. they invest their money. thats why they are rich. besides you speak of the 1% as if its some group of billionaires. first of all people move in and out of the 1%. its not the same people staying on top and keeping the rest of us down. its just 1% of the population who has the most money in a given area.

in Canada a household only needs to make like 190 000 CAD  a year to be in the top 1% in Canada.

you are probably in the 1% of the world.

you think spending 60b on a party would would be more beneficial than him investing his wealth in his company like he currently is?

if i go bankrupt its my own fault. lol its not be jeff bezos' fault.

you have so many misconceptions.




Most wealthy people don't invest in anything other than very established companies and bonds. That does absolutely nothing to create jobs or economic growth.

Also, talking about the top 1% is worthless, most of the wealth is high concentrated in the top .01 of 1%.


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
    #26485223 - 02/14/20 10:58 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Concert > Helping fellow man for you is ok, but not ok for Jeff also.

The crux.

Edit.- Thank you Feldman. You fucking nailed it.


Edited by susurrador (02/14/20 10:59 AM)


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485227 - 02/14/20 11:00 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Jesus you’re slow.

Jeff can give away $50b and STILL GO to the concert.
I can’t.


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485228 - 02/14/20 11:00 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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susurrador said:
Quote:

tyrannicalrex said:
Why doesn't he pay the people 20 bucks an hour to start?




Because people are willing to do the job for less.




Because the very wealthy people have created a labor market that's very favorable for them. It's called diluting that value of labor.


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Invisiblelarry.fisherman
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485230 - 02/14/20 11:01 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

susurrador said:
You'll be worse off? Worse off than what? Than you were $100 ago?

Then how does it follow that Jeff wouldn't be $100,000,000 worse off if he gave that to a homeless guy?

The number of zeros doesn't change anything here.



Economy is a method of keeping society together. If there's 7 billion people and a couple thousand have 1%, that doesn't matter? You're out of your mind. Of course the zeros matter. 1% of 7 billion is 70 million or over twice the population of my entire country. Africa is literally the world's shithole because some people want granite countertops. If the system we made to sustain us is out of balance then it needs corrected. It's pretty simple. Unbalanced systems don't go very far. You can't even drive your car without things being balanced and you're fine with our very existence as a species being just that. Everyone deserves the same kinds and amounts of happiness. Homelessness and poverty don't need to exist in this day and age but there are people/Smeagol's like yourself up all night stroking their precious and inflating their ego enough that some zeros remind them of their importance. There are two types of people who seek power  and you're siding with the ones who'd rather abuse it


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
    #26485231 - 02/14/20 11:02 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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Quote:

feldman114 said:
Jesus you’re slow.

Jeff can give away $50b and STILL GO to the concert.
I can’t.




You're a child of the 90s, aren't you?

:awehigh:


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Invisiblelarry.fisherman
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26485234 - 02/14/20 11:03 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Not every king was adorned in jewels as their people starved


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485235 - 02/14/20 11:03 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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susurrador said:
Giving people things for nothing just makes them less capable of fending for themselves.... ultimately reducing their ability to get anywhere.

This holds true for much of nature.




It's almost like giving Wall Street trillions of dollar for free when they make the wrong bets. It's also like giving companies massive tax cuts so they can buy back more of their own shares.  It's called welfare of Wall Street, where is your outrage?


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Invisiblelarry.fisherman
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485238 - 02/14/20 11:05 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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susurrador said:
8
Quote:

feldman114 said:
Jesus you’re slow.

Jeff can give away $50b and STILL GO to the concert.
I can’t.




You're a child of the 90s, aren't you?

:awehigh:



Why are you even in this thread saying the shit you're saying if you're just going to do the floppy fish thing whenever you don't have something relevant to say? Herp :manvsfish:


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26485239 - 02/14/20 11:06 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

larry.fisherman said:
Quote:

susurrador said:
You'll be worse off? Worse off than what? Than you were $100 ago?

Then how does it follow that Jeff wouldn't be $100,000,000 worse off if he gave that to a homeless guy?

The number of zeros doesn't change anything here.



Economy is a method of keeping society together. If there's 7 billion people and a couple thousand have 1%, that doesn't matter? You're out of your mind. Of course the zeros matter. 1% of 7 billion is 70 million or over twice the population of my entire country. Africa is literally the world's shithole because some people want granite countertops. If the system we made to sustain us is out of balance then it needs corrected. It's pretty simple. Unbalanced systems don't go very far. You can't even drive your car without things being balanced and you're fine with our very existence as a species being just that. Everyone deserves the same kinds and amounts of happiness. Homelessness and poverty don't need to exist in this day and age but there are people/Smeagol's like yourself up all night stroking their precious and inflating their ego enough that some zeros remind them of their importance. There are two types of people who seek power  and you're siding with the ones who'd rather abuse it




Y'all need more Adam Smith in your lives.


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #26485241 - 02/14/20 11:06 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
Quote:

susurrador said:
Quote:

tyrannicalrex said:
Why doesn't he pay the people 20 bucks an hour to start?




Because people are willing to do the job for less.



exactly. the market sets the value of things, including labour.




Yet, The Elite always create polices to affect that market, correct?  Globalization and immigration DILUTE the value of labor.


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26485242 - 02/14/20 11:08 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

larry.fisherman said:
Quote:

susurrador said:
8
Quote:

feldman114 said:
Jesus you’re slow.

Jeff can give away $50b and STILL GO to the concert.
I can’t.




You're a child of the 90s, aren't you?

:awehigh:



Why are you even in this thread saying the shit you're saying if you're just going to do the floppy fish thing whenever you don't have something relevant to say? Herp :manvsfish:




I was the first person after OP in this thread and have been making very particular points ever since. All related, all relevant.


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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
    #26485267 - 02/14/20 11:27 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Oh yeah, the decade I was born in is super relevant to Bezos’ hoarding wealth


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