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Are oats not the way to go? * 1
    #26484954 - 02/14/20 08:32 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

My cultures seem fine till they hit my oats then they get minor bacterial symptoms.

I'm thinking of switching to rye or wbs because I've been reading alot about oats being a bit bacterial inherently compared to other grains.

Would love some thought on this


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: hamonz] * 7
    #26484971 - 02/14/20 08:46 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Oats are awesome. Oats don't cause bacterial contamination, bacteria causes bacterial contamination.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: hamonz]
    #26484973 - 02/14/20 08:48 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

I don't have an answer for you yet, but I just finished my bag of oats and was having the same thought process...So I grabbed some WBS and I just dropped some agar to a few jars yesterday so we will see. Also would like to hear others opinions who have experience


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: StrohngBahd] * 1
    #26484980 - 02/14/20 08:51 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

I don't understand the thought process.  Regardless of what grain you use to spawn, you will sterilize it using a PC.  Assuming you are doing this properly, the result is sterile.

Are you worried that you are introducing bacteria during inoculation?  Is this thought to come from the environment or as a ride-along from the agar?  Either way, at this point what is the concern about oats in particular?


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: InfiniteDreams] * 1
    #26484987 - 02/14/20 08:54 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Theres an ongoing debate in the general discussion thread that has touched on the topic. Caps and co are anti oat, I just wanted to try something different and I got the WBS cheaper than I would have paid for another bag of oats


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26484999 - 02/14/20 09:03 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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I don't understand the thought process.  Regardless of what grain you use to spawn, you will sterilize it using a PC.  Assuming you are doing this properly, the result is sterile.

Are you worried that you are introducing bacteria during inoculation?  Is this thought to come from the environment or as a ride-along from the agar?  Either way, at this point what is the concern about oats in particular?




Ive seen expirenced growers say fuck oats quite a few times for this same reason and thats my thought process, because I seem to be going through the same thing.

I've never used another grain besides oats so I have nothing to compare it to.


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Theres an ongoing debate in the general discussion thread that has touched on the topic. Caps and co are anti oat, I just wanted to try something different and I got the WBS cheaper than I would have paid for another bag of oats





Yeah exactly, some people are saying fuck oats so I'd like to hear other peoples experiences.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: hamonz]
    #26485013 - 02/14/20 09:14 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

i mix WBS and Oats 50/50 after hydrating separately, i have no problems. i did, however, have a bag of oats that had bugs. it required 3 hours in the PC to make sterile. ended up dumping 30lbs of it on the compost pile.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: normalperson]
    #26485038 - 02/14/20 09:27 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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i mix WBS and Oats 50/50 after hydrating separately, i have no problems. i did, however, have a bag of oats that had bugs. it required 3 hours in the PC to make sterile. ended up dumping 30lbs of it on the compost pile.




My oats did spawn some sort of maggot things after sitting a bit in my room


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: hamonz] * 2
    #26485121 - 02/14/20 10:12 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

You can can meat and fish for long term storage. You want to talk about something contamination prone... Oats are clean AF compared to chopped up fish from China.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Smartattack] * 2
    #26485134 - 02/14/20 10:21 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

I've only ever used oats. I don't see how oats can be bacterial if properly sanitized. If my oats get bacterial it's because I got lazy somewhere. To the user talking about oats getting infested with bugs, unless they arrived at your house like that, just mix every 50lb bag with about 2 cups of diatomaceous earth. No bugs, ever.

What I have seen is how amazing oats are at remaining dry on the outside, yet hydrated on the inside. Sooooo many posts here about jars stalling because their spawn is too wet and suffocating the mycelium or helping bacteria grow. That doesn't happen with oats, you could dry those fuckers out for a day after boiling and they still retain their moisture on the inside.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: antmanmax] * 1
    #26485142 - 02/14/20 10:25 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Agreed. As far as bugs go.. just PC those bitches too.:shrug:

Having been working with rye lately I cannot wait to get back to oats. Oats are so easy to prep it's tarded.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: hamonz] * 1
    #26485294 - 02/14/20 11:45 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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I don't understand the thought process.  Regardless of what grain you use to spawn, you will sterilize it using a PC.  Assuming you are doing this properly, the result is sterile.

Are you worried that you are introducing bacteria during inoculation?  Is this thought to come from the environment or as a ride-along from the agar?  Either way, at this point what is the concern about oats in particular?




Ive seen expirenced growers say fuck oats quite a few times for this same reason and thats my thought process, because I seem to be going through the same thing.

I've never used another grain besides oats so I have nothing to compare it to.


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Theres an ongoing debate in the general discussion thread that has touched on the topic. Caps and co are anti oat, I just wanted to try something different and I got the WBS cheaper than I would have paid for another bag of oats





Yeah exactly, some people are saying fuck oats so I'd like to hear other peoples experiences.






  So think of it like drying out a baseballs vs a cue ball. The surface of some grains retain less outside moisture than others. If oats are not prepped properly and PC'd correctly they have a higher risk of contamination, not due to the grain surface but because the Sterilization is not being done efficently. I guess my point is wBS is more forgiving than Oats if your sterile work sucks. So you see more people that say oats suck.... Might want to revisit good practices. (I'm sure that's gonna piss off a lot of people)


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26485314 - 02/14/20 11:52 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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hamonz said:
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I don't understand the thought process.  Regardless of what grain you use to spawn, you will sterilize it using a PC.  Assuming you are doing this properly, the result is sterile.

Are you worried that you are introducing bacteria during inoculation?  Is this thought to come from the environment or as a ride-along from the agar?  Either way, at this point what is the concern about oats in particular?




Ive seen expirenced growers say fuck oats quite a few times for this same reason and thats my thought process, because I seem to be going through the same thing.

I've never used another grain besides oats so I have nothing to compare it to.


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Theres an ongoing debate in the general discussion thread that has touched on the topic. Caps and co are anti oat, I just wanted to try something different and I got the WBS cheaper than I would have paid for another bag of oats





Yeah exactly, some people are saying fuck oats so I'd like to hear other peoples experiences.






  So think of it like drying out a baseballs vs a cue ball. The surface of some grains retain less outside moisture than others. If oats are not prepped properly and PC'd correctly they have a higher risk of contamination, not due to the grain surface but because the Sterilization is not being done efficently. I guess my point is wBS is more forgiving than Oats if your sterile work sucks. So you see more people that say oats suck.... Might want to revisit good practices. (I'm sure that's gonna piss off a lot of people)





Makes sense, I'm getting a lot better with my sterile work but def not a pro. I let them dry for at least 12 hours and pc for 2 hours.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: hamonz]
    #26485481 - 02/14/20 01:31 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

i can't figure out how to use the quote function the way y'all do so i'll do it this way....
antmanmax said:
unless they arrived at your house like that" they did arrive like that,i normally use Producers Pride but TSC was sold out, i bought the cheap stuff from our local Coop:mad: Noticed the bugs when i opened the bag but i went ahead and prepped the same way i always have, PCed for my normal 2 hours and set aside to see how things went...all jars went bad. tried again at 2 1/2 hours...same result. WTF, so...3 hours in the pc...all were good but fuck that i haven't the time for such BS. i now restock before i run out:grin: i love oats, they're big, fat lumps of juicy food that mycelium love:heart: just make sure your bag isn't heavily contaminated.
i love WBS also. sooo much easier to prep than oats, 1/2 the price, and about 6x the inoculation points, try them, you be glad you did. Both Oats and WBS will grow cubes easily.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: normalperson]
    #26485681 - 02/14/20 03:57 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

I've not got past the agar stage of cultivation so feel free to consider me a noob but I practiced a PC run of some jars of oats like 3 weeks ago... they still look good to be honest. Still dry looking and no funny colours. I'm obviously not going to use them for cultivation, but I just had a smell at one jar and it smells great, oaty and fresh.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Billiswow] * 1
    #26485695 - 02/14/20 04:09 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

You can really if all was done well. I used jars a couple months ago that were like 8 months old lol. Went fine.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: normalperson]
    #26485748 - 02/14/20 04:50 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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i can't figure out how to use the quote function the way y'all do so i'll do it this way....
antmanmax said:
unless they arrived at your house like that" they did arrive like that,i normally use Producers Pride but TSC was sold out, i bought the cheap stuff from our local Coop:mad: Noticed the bugs when i opened the bag but i went ahead and prepped the same way i always have, PCed for my normal 2 hours and set aside to see how things went...all jars went bad. tried again at 2 1/2 hours...same result. WTF, so...3 hours in the pc...all were good but fuck that i haven't the time for such BS. i now restock before i run out:grin: i love oats, they're big, fat lumps of juicy food that mycelium love:heart: just make sure your bag isn't heavily contaminated.
i love WBS also. sooo much easier to prep than oats, 1/2 the price, and about 6x the inoculation points, try them, you be glad you did. Both Oats and WBS will grow cubes easily.




Just click the quote button above their post. Or just type [qu0te]text[/qu0te] with o instead of 0.

Yeah idk. To me, bugs are just protein once they're sterilized. Something tells me you're just associating the bugs with the contamination. Probably you got unlucky with your SAB, or your technique could have been better.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: antmanmax]
    #26485793 - 02/14/20 05:16 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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i mix WBS and Oats 50/50 after hydrating separately, i have no problems. i did, however, have a bag of oats that had bugs. it required 3 hours in the PC to make sterile. ended up dumping 30lbs of it on the compost pile.



Why prep them seperate? I like to prep mine at the same time and I add a littl chopped straw in too I'll update with a pic in a bit.
Heres how they come out when I prep them together a few burst grains but they work fine

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I've only ever used oats. I don't see how oats can be bacterial if properly sanitized. If my oats get bacterial it's because I got lazy somewhere. To the user talking about oats getting infested with bugs, unless they arrived at your house like that, just mix every 50lb bag with about 2 cups of diatomaceous earth. No bugs, ever.

What I have seen is how amazing oats are at remaining dry on the outside, yet hydrated on the inside. Sooooo many posts here about jars stalling because their spawn is too wet and suffocating the mycelium or helping bacteria grow. That doesn't happen with oats, you could dry those fuckers out for a day after boiling and they still retain their moisture on the inside.



I believe the concern is recognizing if oats are clean or not. Oats make it hard to tell if bacteria or contams are present thats what I've heard from some of TCs on why they don't like oats.
DE works(if completely dry) but I dont think its food grade. I try to use food grade methods as much as possible when it comes to growing edibles as well as actives. Remember this is food afrer all.
I like to bag and freeze my grains(while dry) then I store them as long as I want without worrying about bug larvae and eggs hatching. I pre measure enough to fill 10 quarts jars then slap it in a gallon zip lock and freeze for two weeks. I have a chest freezer packed to to top with grains at any given time.
This method was designed for long term storage of food like rice and beans.
Heres a pic.

This can also be done in batches in the freezer or outdoors in the winter chest freezer is not required I just have one laying around.


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    #26485843 - 02/14/20 05:51 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I believe the concern is recognizing if oats are clean or not. Oats make it hard to tell if bacteria or contams are present thats what I've heard from some of TCs on why they don't like oats.




I don't understand this. Granted, I only have a few grows under my belt, but what does it matter how dirty it is if you're pressure cooking it?


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DE works(if completely dry) but I dont think its food grade. I try to use food grade methods as much as possible when it comes to growing edibles as well as actives. Remember this is food afrer all.




The FDA considers DE to be "generally safe" as long as it's less than 2% by weight of whatever you're using it in. I would be shocked if the amount of DE that ends up in the shrooms is more than like 0.01% (<1lb of DE for 50 lbs of oats, that's a tiny amount of DE per tub), so even if it weren't food grade (the only difference seems to be the amount of crystalline silica), it seems fine.


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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: antmanmax]
    #26485851 - 02/14/20 05:56 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I love oats! You are likely overcooking your oats. Wire mesh metal strainers are key. You need to properly strain them so there is no excess moisture on the outside. Ive used most grains. They are no different or More bacteria prone than any other grain. Itโ€™s just being prepared improperly. And I never pc my oats more than an hour or an hour and 15 minutes. I donโ€™t have any issues even injecting liquid inoculation into them.


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