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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Hoob33]
#26486549 - 02/15/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hammons, are the other grains your using solving your problem? If you have not tried yet and it does not then it isn’t the grain. It might be the culture work. If your culture work is improving now and you have more success, it may not be the oats either. It might be the improvement of your culture work. Best thing to do to test this is make a batch of each grain. Inoculate with the same culture. See how they do side by side.
Sokadin, the mycelia will colonize the rat shit and probably that bug gizmo posted. That’s crazy gizmo. Use diatomaceous earth to kill small bugs. You do have to rinse it off during grain prep but it will keep your grain bug free for years: I had a bag sit a year with no bugs. And usually after a month in the heat there are thousands of meal bugs.
Race horse oats are fairly clean for me. If there is a grain of corn or two so be it. Mycelia loves corn. I don’t even rinse until after I boil the grain. For wbs I always had to add pickling like to get all the nasty funky shit off of the Pennington’s finch seed. Locally for me it’s 12$ for 50lbs of oats and 15-20$ for 40lbs of wbs. so I switched for cost.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: eatyualive]
#26486559 - 02/15/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hear yeah, but why use ratshit covered berries, You know they pissed on them berries too.... Oh yeah I forgot mushrooms grow on cowshit.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Sockadin]
#26486563 - 02/15/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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And other random shit. Although rat shit is probably disgusting. They eat anything. Cows eat grass.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: gizmo1]
#26486585 - 02/15/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: COLONIZED OATS. its hard to tell if colonized oats are clean or not. Unlike with other grains.
Oh, colonized oats. I mean, maybe? I can tell pretty much right away when shit doesn't look right, though. It's either mycelium or it's not.
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gizmo1 said: FDA also says that dead bugs and rat shit in your canned foods is acceptable. Those are more of guidelines businesses have to follow doesn't mean its not disgusting.
The FDA says this because it's literally impossible to have absolutely no dead bugs and rat shit in food. If you refuse to eat anything with insect parts or even the smallest amount of feces on it, you're gonna starve dude. The idea is that below a certain level, it's safe for consumption. They say the same thing with DE. Below a certain level, it's safe. The amount that likely ends up in the shrooms is far below this level.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: eatyualive]
#26486743 - 02/15/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: Hammons, are the other grains your using solving your problem? If you have not tried yet and it does not then it isn’t the grain. It might be the culture work. If your culture work is improving now and you have more success, it may not be the oats either. It might be the improvement of your culture work. Best thing to do to test this is make a batch of each grain. Inoculate with the same culture. See how they do side by side. \
I have not tried any other grains before, I am having more success thinking about it and something I have to consider is that not every run will have a 100% success rate. I still had 45 spawnable jars from 60.
I am doing G2G so maybe I should just spawn with some masters instead.
This could absolutely just be my agar game but I've read some conflicting stuff so I wanted to start up a thread. Thanks for all the informative replies errryone 
I'm getting it down though Oats is real easy for me to prep so I wouldn't doubt its user error thru sterile procedures + being too stoned every time I do agar lol
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: hamonz]
#26486845 - 02/15/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Each box of cereal has something like 50,000 allowed bug parts and x amount of allowed rat hairs. Yup completely correct.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/55459-fda-acceptable-food-defects.html
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If the jars are sitting for a while and there isn’t an off smell until after inoculation it’s the culture game. If you open one prior to inoculation and it smells off. It’s the prep method.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: eatyualive]
#26486869 - 02/15/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: Hammons, are the other grains your using solving your problem? If you have not tried yet and it does not then it isn’t the grain. It might be the culture work. If your culture work is improving now and you have more success, it may not be the oats either. It might be the improvement of your culture work. Best thing to do to test this is make a batch of each grain. Inoculate with the same culture. See how they do side by side.
Sokadin, the mycelia will colonize the rat shit and probably that bug gizmo posted. That’s crazy gizmo. Use diatomaceous earth to kill small bugs. You do have to rinse it off during grain prep but it will keep your grain bug free for years: I had a bag sit a year with no bugs. And usually after a month in the heat there are thousands of meal bugs.
Race horse oats are fairly clean for me. If there is a grain of corn or two so be it. Mycelia loves corn. I don’t even rinse until after I boil the grain. For wbs I always had to add pickling like to get all the nasty funky shit off of the Pennington’s finch seed. Locally for me it’s 12$ for 50lbs of oats and 15-20$ for 40lbs of wbs. so I switched for cost.
This is one of the reasons I liked oats over wheat. Well probably the only reason. I have had lots of success with oats but also had a lot of issues and for me wheat is cheaper for 25kg bag, so I started buying only wheat. But wheat is extremely dusty, and has a lot of twigs and other plant material in there that needs rinsing off. The oats I buy from the same place are so clean you don't need to rinse or clean them at all before cooking. Boil them, strain them/dry them and they are ready to go. I wasn't even rinsing afterwards . When my oats were clean, and colonized properly, I noticed no difference in performance between them and wheat.
I think the biggest issue for me with oats was getting those suckers properly dry. I ended up with a system where I would leave them in strainers for 12 hours before loading into the PC. Like boil them for a good 40 minutes or whatever to get them nice and soft, with a few burst ones here and there...and then a 12 hour strain/dry period.
With wheat, I think I use about 4 hour strain time, and that is what I started using for oats. So my first several batches of oats were completely fucked and I kinda blamed the oats when it was probably me
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: eatyualive]
#26486940 - 02/15/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dry my oats for 12+ hours its not that, its probably my agar/g2g game.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: hamonz]
#26487021 - 02/15/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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hamonz said: I dry my oats for 12+ hours its not that, its probably my agar/g2g game.
Time for more practice 
Agar is one of the toughest things about this hobby. I'm lucky enough that I've had microbiology lab experience where sterile procedure was drilled into my head.
I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for people completely foreign to the idea of working with agar. Not saying that's your experience, just saying that agar in general seems to terrify a lot of people on here, but it's so worth learning it.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: antmanmax]
#26487092 - 02/15/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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eatyualive said: Hammons, are the other grains your using solving your problem? If you have not tried yet and it does not then it isn’t the grain. It might be the culture work. If your culture work is improving now and you have more success, it may not be the oats either. It might be the improvement of your culture work. Best thing to do to test this is make a batch of each grain. Inoculate with the same culture. See how they do side by side.
Sokadin, the mycelia will colonize the rat shit and probably that bug gizmo posted. That’s crazy gizmo. Use diatomaceous earth to kill small bugs. You do have to rinse it off during grain prep but it will keep your grain bug free for years: I had a bag sit a year with no bugs. And usually after a month in the heat there are thousands of meal bugs.
Race horse oats are fairly clean for me. If there is a grain of corn or two so be it. Mycelia loves corn. I don’t even rinse until after I boil the grain. For wbs I always had to add pickling like to get all the nasty funky shit off of the Pennington’s finch seed. Locally for me it’s 12$ for 50lbs of oats and 15-20$ for 40lbs of wbs. so I switched for cost.
Wasnt me that posted that Eat someone else posted the bug in the jar lol. My grains are bug free but I choose not to use DE I like the freezer method but I also brew with grains and store food with this method so its really no extra effort. Im not knocking that method just said I dont do it myself and Ant took it personal or something lmao.
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gizmo1 said: COLONIZED OATS. its hard to tell if colonized oats are clean or not. Unlike with other grains.
Oh, colonized oats. I mean, maybe? I can tell pretty much right away when shit doesn't look right, though. It's either mycelium or it's not.
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gizmo1 said: FDA also says that dead bugs and rat shit in your canned foods is acceptable. Those are more of guidelines businesses have to follow doesn't mean its not disgusting.
The FDA says this because it's literally impossible to have absolutely no dead bugs and rat shit in food. If you refuse to eat anything with insect parts or even the smallest amount of feces on it, you're gonna starve dude. The idea is that below a certain level, it's safe for consumption. They say the same thing with DE. Below a certain level, it's safe. The amount that likely ends up in the shrooms is far below this level.
Lol maybe re read my post it didnt say that I was saying that about oats. You are arguing with me about something I said others said? Also it didnt say you cant tell when something is off said it makes it harder to tell.
As far asthe DE you do you bud I never said you shouldn't do it I said I dont do it and posted a alternative. You over here arguing false points I never said not to use it and you're over here getting defensive about it like I told you its wrong or not to do it. I mean whatever I said to make you offended im sorry about that wasnt exactly my intentions I mean I do like to talk shit, but wasnt trying to attack you. Just being me bud.
Also as far as mas produced shit that comes out of a factory. Its more a problem than alot of people know. Ive worked jobs where where quality control is needed and I've seen the shit quality control will look the other way for there is a reason the FDA had to put those limits. They dont do alot to try to coreect the problems alot of times. I still buy food from big box stores too and I dont have any control over what they do. Nothing we can do about it but I do hunt, fish, and grow alot of my food. When I do have control over it I take measures to keep everything as clean and food grade as possible. Im a bit different than most though a bit of a weirdo. I brew my own alcohol make my own bar soap make my own fuel and sanitizers. Fix and paint my own cars Hunt and grow my own food. Do my own plumbing and home repairs. Recycle paper into fuel. I constantly try to figure ways to move towards beimg more self reliant. Im not arguing that theres not nasty shit in food even the stuff I produce from home had stuff in it especially stuff out the garden nothings perfect and I wasnt trying to say it was. Just that it can be alot better than whats generally accepted.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: gizmo1]
#26487103 - 02/15/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: Lol maybe re read my post it didnt say that I was saying that about oats. You are arguing with me about something I said others said? Also it didnt say you cant tell when something is off said it makes it harder to tell.
Never said you said it. I said I don't understand that reasoning, whoever says it. And still, I don't see how it's harder to tell. Maybe because it's not as dense, so it might take a while for contams to appear? I guess I could see that.
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gizmo1 said:As far asthe DE you do you bud I never said you shouldn't do it I said I dont do it and posted a alternative. You over here arguing false points I never said not to use it and you're over here getting defensive about it like I told you its wrong or not to do it. I mean whatever I said to make you offended im sorry about that wasnt exactly my intentions I mean I do like to talk shit, but wasnt trying to attack you. Just being me bud.
??? You stated an opinion, I stated mine. I don't see how that's arguing false points or getting defensive my guy.
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gizmo1 said:Just that it can be alot better than whats generally accepted.
Sure, but the FDA literally saves lives. Read Upton Sinclair to get an idea of how bad things got before we regulated food. And maybe I misinterpreted your post but it seemed like you were maligning the FDA for allowing unavoidable contaminants into food in safe levels, which seemed kind of silly to me.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: antmanmax]
#26487117 - 02/15/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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OH EMM GEE. Yes, no, maybe it sounded that way, but I am not blaming the FDA for anything. Im litterally done with this conversation. Lmao. Nothing against you but I've grown tired of it and this phone is really hard to post from(its a turd). Maybe you can see this is my excessive grammatical errors, Maybe not but, this is becoming actual work for me. You WIN! Please now can we discuss. Sports or the weather lol. Edit: I pmed you Ant.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: gizmo1]
#26487129 - 02/15/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I feel like this is a one sided trigger. No one is arguing with you Gizmo... We all good, please come back!!!!
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: Sockadin]
#26487133 - 02/15/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im still here bud I just grew tired of the subject of rat turds.  Now im going to be grossed out by wheaties lmao.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: gizmo1]
#26567972 - 03/30/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm completely new to this hobby (my second grow from grains) and after months of reading (I'm talking 5-6 hours a day for 3 months (I was a bit gun shy), I finally just bit the bullet and decided to follow Bod's oat grain tek, coir substrate, his unmodified monotub tek and ShaperDreaming Shoebox tek.
So after boiling my oats for 45min or so, I drained them, left them for an hour (shaking them after 30min and then put them in the fridge overnight to dry.
They've worked like a charm. 60 grain jars later and only had 2 contaminated jars (one didn't recover after a third shake).
I've only spawned 8 jars before today in shoeboxes and am happy to report I finally spawned 7 jars in a 56qt monotub today!
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Oats are great if you get them done right, that tek is good.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: SynKyd]
#26568085 - 03/30/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jessica 2 grain jar loss is too many. I’d lower your boil time.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: eatyualive]
#26568113 - 03/30/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah agreed. I find by the time they are boiling it's time to turn off the heat and let them soak for another 10 min or so. Take a sample of 5 random grains and cut with scissors, you want them nice and plump with no whiteness inside but not burst.
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#26568116 - 03/30/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've found it helps to get the water boiling first.
Add oats and cook 30 min. (I reduced cook time a little since already starting with boiling water)
I strain and then spread them out pretty thin on half pans (full size for residential ovens) until they cool (15 to 20 min) and then mix the oats around and spread them back out before sticking the pans in the oven at 220*F for 10 to 12 minutes.
This just warms the oats back up to evap any excess moisture on the outside of the grains.
After 10 minutes or so take the pans out and mix up the oats again and level them out to dry for another 15 min or so.
I've found this gives me oats that leave no moisture behind but are well hydrated inside the hull of the grain. Also very few burst grains which sometimes make sticky clumps that don't pour well for g2g transfers.
Optional is to strain off all the floaters after you add the oats to the pot because most of the stuff floating is empty hulls and debris. I do this because if the grains are all very uniform in the jar, when something isn't right it stands out more visually.
I've read a lot of people don't like oats but I think they're super easy to work with. Just use your senses in conjunction with the recipes.
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Re: Are oats not the way to go? [Re: susurrador]
#26568124 - 03/30/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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all grains are good almost equally, just get the prep right
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