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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #26486603 - 02/15/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

A trans dinosaur?
Whatever they politely ask you to, Yaphobesaurus


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26499773 - 02/23/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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ChiefM4ster is very opinioned on this. Also, u quoted an article as if u wrote it! Thats plagiarism!

ikisschicks420: Havent watched the show but the show reminds me of a movie called "But Im a Cheerleader". Ever seen it? Did u like it? I like, i thought it was pretty interesting and entertaining.




yes I've seen But Im a Cheerleader also, but it's been a long time. I found it entertaining, especially when there wasnt much out like that at the time. its a classic

wooooah this thread got way off topic lol.. but everyone on the internet tends to do that these days. :rolleyes:

so for the 2 people who actually watched the show.. what did you think about what they did as far as story lines about the past characters? Kit, Jenny, ect. or the people they didnt even mention..


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
    #26499818 - 02/23/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just use the toilet for disabled people

I do that all the time. Love how much space you have in there, and usually no cue either


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26500726 - 02/23/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Just use the toilet for disabled people

I do that all the time. Love how much space you have in there, and usually no cue either




When it is an individual room, it is great
when it is a wider stall in each of the assigned gender rooms
the issue remains the same as in the meme

"in fact" the first point of consideration in the flow chart after answering yes to transgender is whether there is a gender neutral (ie: individual disabilities toilet or "family" room)
seperate from the dichotomy of the gendered rooms
but "there rarely ever is" -- because in Canada and maybe moreso in the US the individual disability toilets are a luxury and an after thought
and the normal approach is to make a double-wide stall in both bathrooms, that has the appropriate handicap bars
so people with disabilities are being classified by their gender as a priority over whether they need special accomodations for their disability or not

so you're telling people to use a special toilet because they are different
and also saying that you personally occupy said toilet space and increase the likelihood of there being a queue for someone who you advise pick it over others
despite you not observing yourself to have the personal qualifiers that indicate said room "should" be the one you use

ps -- just poking fun
but "queue" refers to people waiting in line
while "cue" is either an instrument for playing pool :chalkup:
or a way to indicate something to someone

so, ironically, your mention of disability toilets having "no cue either"
could actually refer to the fact that there is no cue on the toilets indicating which gender is allowed or not
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26500804 - 02/24/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

One time I accidentally went to the girls restroom at the mall. When I came out of the stall a girl looked me right in the face and said "gross".

I cant imagine that happening every time I use the bathroom. That's rough.

Also life is unfair as shit. I've seen 0 equality between boys n girls bathrooms. Girls bathrooms are WAY cleaner AND sometimes they have couches and shit wtf

guys I'm about to start drilling girls bathrooms closed until our bathrooms are set to the same standard. This is bullshit.

This is the area I want some goddamn equality in.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26500806 - 02/24/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Also life is unfair as shit. I've seen 0 equality between boys n girls bathrooms. Girls bathrooms are WAY cleaner AND sometimes they have couches and shit wtf
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take a janitorial job and clean period blood and shit off the walls of stalls wondering how tf it happened

honestly, if I have to go in public
walk right up to the urinal, nail polish, makeup, purse and all
bit of piss on the floor on the bottoms of my shoes less gross than some of what shows up in the women's room

but will typically do 3-6 hour trips in public without using the bathroom at all, just hold it
have had an abnormal capacity to hold it; in my youth made a day trip home from Calgary with my cousins
and my aunt got legitimately enraged at my refusal to get out of the van at the last McDonalds on our 12 hour trip
because she insisted it was going to result in me peeing my pants

my dose of E makes me pee much more frequently now
but think that overwhelming anxiety puts a cap on it in public places :lol:


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
    #26501255 - 02/24/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If I have to go bad enough, IDGAFF which bathroom I go into, especially if it's a locking one, I'll hit it.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #26501331 - 02/24/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)



this is from The L Word: Generation Q, right?


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
    #26501429 - 02/24/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes you are right its queue :lol: Sorry not a native speaker

Here in the Netherlands its very common to have non-gender disability toilets

But I get your point

Do women actually give you trouble for using their bathroom? Men dont give a fuck really, as long as you obey toilet etiquette


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26501561 - 02/24/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

CHeifM4sterDiezL might be waxing lyrical a bit with his descriptions but I agree with him in principle. The vast majority of the last three generations don't care if you're gay/bi/les/whatever. Almost all TV is trash though, it's not like polished turd has any exclusivity to that attribute. People want to identify though so shows like this give them something that sometimes they don't find elsewhere. It's a fucking lonely existence for many people now that social media has truly sunk it's teeth into the fabric of society.

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It's like making a black show starring black people acting in stereotypical ways and calling it the N word.



:lol:

They can do one called "The F Word" as well and make it about triggered fat people.

:triggered:

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Yes you are right its queue :lol: Sorry not a native speaker

Here in the Netherlands its very common to have non-gender disability toilets

But I get your point

Do women actually give you trouble for using their bathroom? Men dont give a fuck really, as long as you obey toilet etiquette



When I was in Johannesburg it took me about 5 seconds to get used to the fact that pretty much all the toilets in clubs are unisex. It was just like "oh really? okay".


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Northerner]
    #26501573 - 02/24/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL might be waxing lyrical a bit with his descriptions but I agree with him in principle. The vast majority of the last three generations don't care if you're gay/bi/les/whatever. Almost all TV is trash though, it's not like polished turd has any exclusivity to that attribute. People want to identify though so shows like this give them something that sometimes they don't find elsewhere. It's a fucking lonely existence for many people now that social media has truly sunk it's teeth into the fabric of society.

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It's like making a black show starring black people acting in stereotypical ways and calling it the N word.



:lol:

They can do one called "The F Word" as well and make it about triggered fat people.

:triggered:



I wish they would do/make that N word show! The F word one, not so good of an idea, but let it be gay and let me pick the bear/chub men to be in it, and It will be fabulous!


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26501646 - 02/24/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

T-Rex, we're gonna be rich!


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Northerner]
    #26501677 - 02/24/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:laugh:


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #26502510 - 02/25/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes you are right its queue :lol: Sorry not a native speaker

Here in the Netherlands its very common to have non-gender disability toilets

But I get your point

Do women actually give you trouble for using their bathroom? Men dont give a fuck really, as long as you obey toilet etiquette




No worries, it was just kind of cute to me
am pretty sure that "queue" is itself a loan-word from French
and that one of the few things someone tried to teach me in Québec was "tu as une beau queue" was a way to tell a chick she has a nice ass

Am not the ideal one to ask about women giving me trouble,
have only used one public bathroom in the past year, and had a wing woman with me
but, on my side of things, the potential disapproval of some women does not bother me
so much as the prospect of some angry father deciding me to be a threat to his daughter because of my need to poop

smaller trans women find the male bathroom feels threatening, especially in club settings
because as much as the majority of men are safe to be around
there is always threat of the actual sexual predator being the encounter, and as terrifying as rape is to women already
trans women typically have a more acute awareness that the abuser may kill them as soon as he actually gets their pants off


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26543872 - 03/19/20 03:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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larry.fisherman said:
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I'm definitely not as mad about it :lol: but I get what you're saying. They have been trying to get us to be okay with gay this, gay that for what seems like forever. Not the worst thing ever in the grand scheme but it's not like we ever had shows that overtly were like "THE RACISTS" or "THE HETEROS." Friends is basically that but it had nothing to do with their sexuality. If gay people were so interesting then these stories would have more to them then what their sexualities revolve around. I played Last of Us. I can't imagine how annoying it would have been if Ellie had little "Oh look, I'm fucking gay!!" bits all throughout I'd think it was fucking stupid. Joel: "Holy shit I'm straight male!!!" But just tossing it in to the end of the DLC, it was a nice touch. It added depth to the character rather than virtue signalling to keep relevancy




the "problem" is the media doesn't know how to make decent gay characters
they rely on stereotypes, and after years of focusing on negative stereotypes where LGBTQ2+ characters were villianous
they simply opted to move to the polar opposite side and make positive stereotypes in place of actual character development

part of this is an issue of scripting -- typical scripting work relies on a premise that only important information is conveyed at any time
and that all dialogue must be tied to furthering the narrative
at that point, it gets kind of difficult to start having people who are clearly identified as a minority (in contrast to other visible minorities like skin colour) without finding some awkward way to pigeonhole that dialogue in repeatedly

there is also a side-issue that is more typical of trans characters in recent years
where things like aesthetic design choices will be used to convey a character is trans
but, then, because it is never explicitly stated, cis viewers insist it can't be the case
but this is more frequent in anime and gaming in recent years




Actress from The L Word: Generation Q talking about how desirable it is
to see trans characters that just happen to be trans and not have their scripted story being about transitioning
and how actors portraying trans women impact perceptions of what it means to be transgender:



compared to Marvel's totally ridiculous and stereotypey new trans super hero:



safespace's powers get triggered by snowflake being in danger
:smbfacepalm:

While not directly trans related, really liked Marvel's conceptual handling of Spider-Gwen
Gwen Stacy was such an important character in the formative years of the Spider-Man story
that having an inversion of the roles between her and Peter Parker made for a really cool reboot without it "just" feeling like "here's Spider-Man for girls!" like earlier character attempts at Spider-Woman somewhat did

but not clear how they can have some writing/production teams on hand that seem to be really tuned in and creative
and others that are so completely tone deaf and inane with their content
and my concern is the shit handling of this character is going to put them off to potentially having characters that are trans at all, just not with the narrow design focus

want to support Marvel, they had a lot of powerful characters through my childhood and early teens

Rogue :heart:

but man, between this and the Gwenpool cash-in, they get so fucking frustrating


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
    #26543875 - 03/19/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

"Snowflake and Safespace". Cant believe Marvel made those characters up. The upmost of silly.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26543913 - 03/19/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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"Snowflake and Safespace". Cant believe Marvel made those characters up. The upmost of silly.




If you were to ask members of the trans community what their preferred super power is
most would reply shape shifting
hopefully need not explain why :lol:

but you need a good writer
to take a power ascribed to a pretty infamous villain
and have it be used by a hero, without going through a multi-story arc
like X-Men used to do any time they needed to pull Mystique (and or Magneto) onto the good guys side
for the greater good





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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
    #26543941 - 03/19/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If the trans community had the ability to shapeshift, that would be revolutionary for them! They could be the gender they always wanted to be and change up their appearance whenever they wanted. Takes "gender fluid" to a whole new level! :lol:


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: psi]
    #26543942 - 03/19/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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So you're fine with shows about lesbians as long as they aren't continuations of existing franchises like this? I'm confused where the moral bankrupting thing comes in.





From the late 90's.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/queer-as-folk/on-demand/26061-001

I liked this series. Despite the supposed age of one character I don't see the "moral bankrupting", just a depiction of reality. :shrug:

Hope this works for you across the water.


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