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A trans dinosaur? Whatever they politely ask you to, Yaphobesaurus
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LogicaL Chaos said: ChiefM4ster is very opinioned on this. Also, u quoted an article as if u wrote it! Thats plagiarism!
ikisschicks420: Havent watched the show but the show reminds me of a movie called "But Im a Cheerleader". Ever seen it? Did u like it? I like, i thought it was pretty interesting and entertaining.
yes I've seen But Im a Cheerleader also, but it's been a long time. I found it entertaining, especially when there wasnt much out like that at the time. its a classic
wooooah this thread got way off topic lol.. but everyone on the internet tends to do that these days. 
so for the 2 people who actually watched the show.. what did you think about what they did as far as story lines about the past characters? Kit, Jenny, ect. or the people they didnt even mention..
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
#26499818 - 02/23/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just use the toilet for disabled people
I do that all the time. Love how much space you have in there, and usually no cue either
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tripsurfer] 1
#26500726 - 02/23/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: Just use the toilet for disabled people
I do that all the time. Love how much space you have in there, and usually no cue either
When it is an individual room, it is great when it is a wider stall in each of the assigned gender rooms the issue remains the same as in the meme
"in fact" the first point of consideration in the flow chart after answering yes to transgender is whether there is a gender neutral (ie: individual disabilities toilet or "family" room) seperate from the dichotomy of the gendered rooms but "there rarely ever is" -- because in Canada and maybe moreso in the US the individual disability toilets are a luxury and an after thought and the normal approach is to make a double-wide stall in both bathrooms, that has the appropriate handicap bars so people with disabilities are being classified by their gender as a priority over whether they need special accomodations for their disability or not
so you're telling people to use a special toilet because they are different and also saying that you personally occupy said toilet space and increase the likelihood of there being a queue for someone who you advise pick it over others despite you not observing yourself to have the personal qualifiers that indicate said room "should" be the one you use
ps -- just poking fun but "queue" refers to people waiting in line while "cue" is either an instrument for playing pool  or a way to indicate something to someone
so, ironically, your mention of disability toilets having "no cue either" could actually refer to the fact that there is no cue on the toilets indicating which gender is allowed or not
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika] 2
#26500804 - 02/24/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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One time I accidentally went to the girls restroom at the mall. When I came out of the stall a girl looked me right in the face and said "gross".
I cant imagine that happening every time I use the bathroom. That's rough.
Also life is unfair as shit. I've seen 0 equality between boys n girls bathrooms. Girls bathrooms are WAY cleaner AND sometimes they have couches and shit wtf
guys I'm about to start drilling girls bathrooms closed until our bathrooms are set to the same standard. This is bullshit.
This is the area I want some goddamn equality in.
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: ichugwindex]
#26500806 - 02/24/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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ichugwindex said: ... Also life is unfair as shit. I've seen 0 equality between boys n girls bathrooms. Girls bathrooms are WAY cleaner AND sometimes they have couches and shit wtf ...
take a janitorial job and clean period blood and shit off the walls of stalls wondering how tf it happened
honestly, if I have to go in public walk right up to the urinal, nail polish, makeup, purse and all bit of piss on the floor on the bottoms of my shoes less gross than some of what shows up in the women's room
but will typically do 3-6 hour trips in public without using the bathroom at all, just hold it have had an abnormal capacity to hold it; in my youth made a day trip home from Calgary with my cousins and my aunt got legitimately enraged at my refusal to get out of the van at the last McDonalds on our 12 hour trip because she insisted it was going to result in me peeing my pants
my dose of E makes me pee much more frequently now but think that overwhelming anxiety puts a cap on it in public places
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
#26501255 - 02/24/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I have to go bad enough, IDGAFF which bathroom I go into, especially if it's a locking one, I'll hit it.
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this is from The L Word: Generation Q, right?
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
#26501429 - 02/24/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes you are right its queue Sorry not a native speaker
Here in the Netherlands its very common to have non-gender disability toilets
But I get your point
Do women actually give you trouble for using their bathroom? Men dont give a fuck really, as long as you obey toilet etiquette
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CHeifM4sterDiezL might be waxing lyrical a bit with his descriptions but I agree with him in principle. The vast majority of the last three generations don't care if you're gay/bi/les/whatever. Almost all TV is trash though, it's not like polished turd has any exclusivity to that attribute. People want to identify though so shows like this give them something that sometimes they don't find elsewhere. It's a fucking lonely existence for many people now that social media has truly sunk it's teeth into the fabric of society.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: It's like making a black show starring black people acting in stereotypical ways and calling it the N word.

They can do one called "The F Word" as well and make it about triggered fat people.

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Tripsurfer said: Yes you are right its queue Sorry not a native speaker
Here in the Netherlands its very common to have non-gender disability toilets
But I get your point
Do women actually give you trouble for using their bathroom? Men dont give a fuck really, as long as you obey toilet etiquette
When I was in Johannesburg it took me about 5 seconds to get used to the fact that pretty much all the toilets in clubs are unisex. It was just like "oh really? okay".
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Northerner]
#26501573 - 02/24/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Northerner said: CHeifM4sterDiezL might be waxing lyrical a bit with his descriptions but I agree with him in principle. The vast majority of the last three generations don't care if you're gay/bi/les/whatever. Almost all TV is trash though, it's not like polished turd has any exclusivity to that attribute. People want to identify though so shows like this give them something that sometimes they don't find elsewhere. It's a fucking lonely existence for many people now that social media has truly sunk it's teeth into the fabric of society.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: It's like making a black show starring black people acting in stereotypical ways and calling it the N word.

They can do one called "The F Word" as well and make it about triggered fat people.

I wish they would do/make that N word show! The F word one, not so good of an idea, but let it be gay and let me pick the bear/chub men to be in it, and It will be fabulous!
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Northerner]
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Tantrika
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26502510 - 02/25/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: Yes you are right its queue Sorry not a native speaker
Here in the Netherlands its very common to have non-gender disability toilets
But I get your point
Do women actually give you trouble for using their bathroom? Men dont give a fuck really, as long as you obey toilet etiquette
No worries, it was just kind of cute to me am pretty sure that "queue" is itself a loan-word from French and that one of the few things someone tried to teach me in Québec was "tu as une beau queue" was a way to tell a chick she has a nice ass
Am not the ideal one to ask about women giving me trouble, have only used one public bathroom in the past year, and had a wing woman with me but, on my side of things, the potential disapproval of some women does not bother me so much as the prospect of some angry father deciding me to be a threat to his daughter because of my need to poop
smaller trans women find the male bathroom feels threatening, especially in club settings because as much as the majority of men are safe to be around there is always threat of the actual sexual predator being the encounter, and as terrifying as rape is to women already trans women typically have a more acute awareness that the abuser may kill them as soon as he actually gets their pants off
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika] 1
#26543872 - 03/19/20 03:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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larry.fisherman said: ... I'm definitely not as mad about it but I get what you're saying. They have been trying to get us to be okay with gay this, gay that for what seems like forever. Not the worst thing ever in the grand scheme but it's not like we ever had shows that overtly were like "THE RACISTS" or "THE HETEROS." Friends is basically that but it had nothing to do with their sexuality. If gay people were so interesting then these stories would have more to them then what their sexualities revolve around. I played Last of Us. I can't imagine how annoying it would have been if Ellie had little "Oh look, I'm fucking gay!!" bits all throughout I'd think it was fucking stupid. Joel: "Holy shit I'm straight male!!!" But just tossing it in to the end of the DLC, it was a nice touch. It added depth to the character rather than virtue signalling to keep relevancy
the "problem" is the media doesn't know how to make decent gay characters they rely on stereotypes, and after years of focusing on negative stereotypes where LGBTQ2+ characters were villianous they simply opted to move to the polar opposite side and make positive stereotypes in place of actual character development
part of this is an issue of scripting -- typical scripting work relies on a premise that only important information is conveyed at any time and that all dialogue must be tied to furthering the narrative at that point, it gets kind of difficult to start having people who are clearly identified as a minority (in contrast to other visible minorities like skin colour) without finding some awkward way to pigeonhole that dialogue in repeatedly
there is also a side-issue that is more typical of trans characters in recent years where things like aesthetic design choices will be used to convey a character is trans but, then, because it is never explicitly stated, cis viewers insist it can't be the case but this is more frequent in anime and gaming in recent years
Actress from The L Word: Generation Q talking about how desirable it is to see trans characters that just happen to be trans and not have their scripted story being about transitioning and how actors portraying trans women impact perceptions of what it means to be transgender:
compared to Marvel's totally ridiculous and stereotypey new trans super hero:

safespace's powers get triggered by snowflake being in danger
While not directly trans related, really liked Marvel's conceptual handling of Spider-Gwen Gwen Stacy was such an important character in the formative years of the Spider-Man story that having an inversion of the roles between her and Peter Parker made for a really cool reboot without it "just" feeling like "here's Spider-Man for girls!" like earlier character attempts at Spider-Woman somewhat did
but not clear how they can have some writing/production teams on hand that seem to be really tuned in and creative and others that are so completely tone deaf and inane with their content and my concern is the shit handling of this character is going to put them off to potentially having characters that are trans at all, just not with the narrow design focus
want to support Marvel, they had a lot of powerful characters through my childhood and early teens
 Rogue 
but man, between this and the Gwenpool cash-in, they get so fucking frustrating
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
#26543875 - 03/19/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Snowflake and Safespace". Cant believe Marvel made those characters up. The upmost of silly.
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LogicaL Chaos said: "Snowflake and Safespace". Cant believe Marvel made those characters up. The upmost of silly.
If you were to ask members of the trans community what their preferred super power is most would reply shape shifting hopefully need not explain why 
but you need a good writer to take a power ascribed to a pretty infamous villain and have it be used by a hero, without going through a multi-story arc like X-Men used to do any time they needed to pull Mystique (and or Magneto) onto the good guys side for the greater good

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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
#26543941 - 03/19/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If the trans community had the ability to shapeshift, that would be revolutionary for them! They could be the gender they always wanted to be and change up their appearance whenever they wanted. Takes "gender fluid" to a whole new level!
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: psi]
#26543942 - 03/19/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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psi said: So you're fine with shows about lesbians as long as they aren't continuations of existing franchises like this? I'm confused where the moral bankrupting thing comes in.
From the late 90's.
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/queer-as-folk/on-demand/26061-001
I liked this series. Despite the supposed age of one character I don't see the "moral bankrupting", just a depiction of reality. 
Hope this works for you across the water.
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