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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: psi]
    #26485232 - 02/14/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I mean it's not high art or anything, but neither are a bazillion other TV shows.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: psi]
    #26485237 - 02/14/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I dont need to like I said u can tell from the title and teaser ads they pushed at the time. Back then they were shoving really gay stuff down everyone's throats and all it did was piss people off. It's a big reason why trump's in office honestly. These things need to be done with a little sense of tact, finesse and elegance. I dont why people dont get that.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26485244 - 02/14/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

How is it shoved down everyone's throats? Just by the show existing? Nobody has to watch it.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26485257 - 02/14/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm fine with shows about lesbians but just not for the sake of them being lesbians but for the sake of it being a good drama or whatever it is. Why does it matter so much they're gay? I dont get it it's really upsetting that people are just ok with this. They just let them do it! Stuff like the L word is just mind numbing to me. I mean they didn't even make the characters real they made a stereotypic lesbian-exploitation show for money. That's what it was from the start. There was no genuine good intention to make a serious lesbian show you can tell by the name for fuck sakes. None of it was groundbreaking. None of it was real or even original. none of it really went there. none of it should be applauded for bravery or honoured with awards but yet here we are. Open your fucking eyes people. It's like making a black show starring black people acting in stereotypical ways and calling it the N word. I mean little kids watch this ffs people. You all should be ashamed :facepalm:



I knew people who watched the original show on Showcase and it was like they were watching a sideshow.



I'm definitely not as mad about it :lol: but I get what you're saying. They have been trying to get us to be okay with gay this, gay that for what seems like forever. Not the worst thing ever in the grand scheme but it's not like we ever had shows that overtly were like "THE RACISTS" or "THE HETEROS." Friends is basically that but it had nothing to do with their sexuality. If gay people were so interesting then these stories would have more to them then what their sexualities revolve around. I played Last of Us. I can't imagine how annoying it would have been if Ellie had little "Oh look, I'm fucking gay!!" bits all throughout I'd think it was fucking stupid. Joel: "Holy shit I'm straight male!!!" But just tossing it in to the end of the DLC, it was a nice touch. It added depth to the character rather than virtue signalling to keep relevancy


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: larry.fisherman] * 2
    #26485280 - 02/14/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe some actual lesbians enjoyed a show about a lesbian social scene? I gotta admit the T&A was a draw for me though.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 3
    #26485418 - 02/14/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well, that escalated quickly. You don't get it because you're not gay, and you have NOT suffered oppression, prejudice, or been the subject of ridicule and hatred and even death threats or even death due to just simply liking the same sex. I agree that it should just be called "rights", but the powers that be in charge are the ones subjugating and singling out "gay" people due to their religious beliefs, fear etc....


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26485566 - 02/14/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Like I said when I was growing up being gay wasn't even a thing least not openly in my school. If anyone ever tried to make it a thing it was seen as homophobic which was considered bullying which was extremely disparaging and scorned except by the kids who were known bullies. That's why I dont get why its becoming a thing again. Like when I was really little we called everything gay and everyone was faggots then we learned that wasn't right and everyone stopped doing it. Now it's a thing again I dont get it :shrug:


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: psi] * 2
    #26485608 - 02/14/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I mean it's not high art or anything, but neither are a bazillion other TV shows.




For real man :hyperlol:
It's not even close to reality (because its tv!).. but I did enjoy watching it rebooted after 10 years. Only a few of the original characters were in it in case anyone was wondering.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
    #26485668 - 02/14/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Like I said when I was growing up being gay wasn't even a thing least not openly in my school. If anyone ever tried to make it a thing it was seen as homophobic which was considered bullying which was extremely disparaging and scorned except by the kids who were known bullies. That's why I dont get why its becoming a thing again. Like when I was really little we called everything gay and everyone was faggots then we learned that wasn't right and everyone stopped doing it. Now it's a thing again I dont get it :shrug:






I don't get what you're saying. Being gay is a thing, and they should have representation in the media too. A good portion of the pleasure we get from watching tv and movies is being able to relate and identify with the characters, and up until recently mainstream media has been extremely straight and extremely white. It's normal and okay to be gay, and it's normal and okay to write shows about gay people, for gay people. You don't have to like it, but ffs, let people have their shows.



And if you're concerned about people making money off it...well..welcome to society. Our emotions are constantly exploited for cash by corporations.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: ikisschicks420] * 3
    #26485723 - 02/14/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

ChiefM4ster is very opinioned on this. Also, u quoted an article as if u wrote it! Thats plagiarism!

ikisschicks420: Havent watched the show but the show reminds me of a movie called "But Im a Cheerleader". Ever seen it? Did u like it? I like, i thought it was pretty interesting and entertaining.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
    #26485844 - 02/14/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I watch a lot of lesbian programming too


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26485845 - 02/14/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, that escalated quickly. You don't get it because you're not gay, and you have NOT suffered oppression, prejudice, or been the subject of ridicule and hatred and even death threats or even death due to just simply liking the same sex. I agree that it should just be called "rights", but the powers that be in charge are the ones subjugating and singling out "gay" people due to their religious beliefs, fear etc....



White people are just as oppressed as anyone else. We've just done a good job of being on top of the pile. Tons of people are really racist against white people, there are entire social movements against the white man. Popular ones. The elite 1%ers are predominantly white and even white people hate them. Like, has no one ever been beaten to death for being white? Denied service or robbed? It's not recommended to travel to (x) as a white person? No one's been enslaved as a whitey or fuck all.. No, it just happens that straight white male gives perhaps the least of all fucks. How's this for an example: someone here made a thread about how much money it would take to suck a dick. I said none, I wouldn't do it . And I had people saying I'm HELLA gay for saying so! So for being straight white male, even the wokest folkest decide I'm either a bigot or a liar if I'm not on that gay! Nah, no oppression here Sonny. No one ever won saying your scars are worse than mine. There's nothing to not "get" it's just virtue signalling and preaching to the SJW snowflake in the political minorities. Everybody loves diversity until they have something to shove in your face


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: viraldrome] * 1
    #26485858 - 02/14/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Im a Huge supporter of lesbian films. Give it up for Girlfriend Films, videos made for people like me.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: larry.fisherman] * 3
    #26485864 - 02/14/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm definitely not as mad about it :lol: but I get what you're saying. They have been trying to get us to be okay with gay this, gay that for what seems like forever. Not the worst thing ever in the grand scheme but it's not like we ever had shows that overtly were like "THE RACISTS" or "THE HETEROS." Friends is basically that but it had nothing to do with their sexuality. If gay people were so interesting then these stories would have more to them then what their sexualities revolve around. I played Last of Us. I can't imagine how annoying it would have been if Ellie had little "Oh look, I'm fucking gay!!" bits all throughout I'd think it was fucking stupid. Joel: "Holy shit I'm straight male!!!" But just tossing it in to the end of the DLC, it was a nice touch. It added depth to the character rather than virtue signalling to keep relevancy




the "problem" is the media doesn't know how to make decent gay characters
they rely on stereotypes, and after years of focusing on negative stereotypes where LGBTQ2+ characters were villianous
they simply opted to move to the polar opposite side and make positive stereotypes in place of actual character development

part of this is an issue of scripting -- typical scripting work relies on a premise that only important information is conveyed at any time
and that all dialogue must be tied to furthering the narrative
at that point, it gets kind of difficult to start having people who are clearly identified as a minority (in contrast to other visible minorities like skin colour) without finding some awkward way to pigeonhole that dialogue in repeatedly

there is also a side-issue that is more typical of trans characters in recent years
where things like aesthetic design choices will be used to convey a character is trans
but, then, because it is never explicitly stated, cis viewers insist it can't be the case
but this is more frequent in anime and gaming in recent years


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26485870 - 02/14/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Shameless (US) did an amazing job with their gay characters. They’re relatable regardless of your orientation.
Gay Jesus was a crazy storyline.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #26485875 - 02/14/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, that escalated quickly. You don't get it because you're not gay, and you have NOT suffered oppression, prejudice, or been the subject of ridicule and hatred and even death threats or even death due to just simply liking the same sex. I agree that it should just be called "rights", but the powers that be in charge are the ones subjugating and singling out "gay" people due to their religious beliefs, fear etc....



White people are just as oppressed as anyone else. We've just done a good job of being on top of the pile. Tons of people are really racist against white people, there are entire social movements against the white man. Popular ones. The elite 1%ers are predominantly white and even white people hate them. Like, has no one ever been beaten to death for being white? Denied service or robbed? It's not recommended to travel to (x) as a white person? No one's been enslaved as a whitey or fuck all.. No, it just happens that straight white male gives perhaps the least of all fucks. How's this for an example: someone here made a thread about how much money it would take to suck a dick. I said none, I wouldn't do it . And I had people saying I'm HELLA gay for saying so! So for being straight white male, even the wokest folkest decide I'm either a bigot or a liar if I'm not on that gay! Nah, no oppression here Sonny. No one ever won saying your scars are worse than mine. There's nothing to not "get" it's just virtue signalling and preaching to the SJW snowflake in the political minorities. Everybody loves diversity until they have something to shove in your face




minority problems:



majority problems:



:tongue:

but yeah, you and rex are both kind of right in this

you are acknowledging the reality that white individuals are identified as white and in consequence face issues with how they can navigate the social sphere

rex is acknowledging the reality of having lived and grown through gay individuals being identified as gay and in consequence facing issues with whether they can navigate the social sphere

there is oppression of white people all over the place, but as you said "the straight white male gives perhaps the least of all fucks"
this is not because they are better at responding to oppression than others, but that the spheres they operate in are generally safer and less in need of fucks being given


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26485880 - 02/14/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Shameless (US) did an amazing job with their gay characters. They’re relatable regardless of your orientation.
Gay Jesus was a crazy storyline.




Chasing Amy is one of my favourite films
and manages to make the whole thing all about exploring sexual identity
while somehow still being a "Jay and Silent Bob" flick at core

of course, there is room to discuss whether and how Kevin Smith is good at writing minority characters and sensitive subjects
because he is also the comic author that wrote a meaningful and contributing rape story into the background story of one of my favourite Spider-Man superheroines
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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
    #26485881 - 02/14/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Definitely white privilage is strong then theres male privilage then theres straight privilage.

Hopefully these old traditions will die off....i see it slowly happening.


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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: Tantrika]
    #26485890 - 02/14/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe I flew off the handle a bit with this one. Maybe lesbians are getting repressed a ton by the media and L word is the best they've come out with so far. I love lesbians.



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Re: The L Word: Generation Q [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
    #26486387 - 02/15/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

What do you call a gay dinosaur?


A suckalottadick











A lesbian dinosaur?

A lickalottapuss.


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