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Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT
#26484390 - 02/13/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I keep reading more and more about both of these phenomena and am highly interested in both but have yet to experience either.
So I'm curious:
- are these two experiences similar or even just the same experience with a different name?
-if they're different, are there any similarities?
-for those who have experienced both, which do you prefer and why?
It will likely be a while before I'm able to even try DMT for the first time but I have a decent supply of golden teachers and will be taking a potentially ego-dissolving dose soon and I'm pretty excited / nervous. What are some ways I can prepare for this sort of experience or even help induce it using resources outside of the G.T's?
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: TokeItUp12]
#26484460 - 02/13/20 10:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shhh, don’t talk about ego death of the moderator might get annoyed.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: igorcarajo] 2
#26484586 - 02/14/20 01:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Both terms decribe a state of mind impossible to put into words. You have to experience it to know what it's like.
Both are caused by doses too high to be handled by the ego / mind. Unexplainabe things will happen then. You lose complete touch to reality, there is no "you" anymore, nor do you know what beeing human is at all. It's a very confusing state of mind, and most people get shocked to the core by dosing this high. It's like dying and beeing reborn, not in a pleasant way. Many stop tripping for a while afterwards.
People think about breakthroughs that it's the ultimate trippig, like a goal or something you have to achieve. In fact it's nothing you should seek or be after at all. It's just so terrifying, confusing, earth shattering. Anything you know will get ripped appart and put upside down. You will question anything you ever learned about physical reality after such an experience. You will be left with more questions than answers, and it might take a lifetime to understand, or longer.
With pure dmt it's easier to achieve than with shrooms. I took 14g of shrooms once, and allthough I had an out of body experience it didn't even get close to what 120mg of smoked dmt, or 80mg of dmt + 220mg of pure harmalas orally felt like.
If you feel ready to get your reality ripped appart go for it. 5g doses will feel like primary school afterwards.  In my opinion moderate doses are more rewarding than doses too high to handle. I only dose like 3 to 4 grams eversince. Still a full dose, very refreshing and rewaring. No need to go higher once you have seen "the truth".
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: Pandemoon]
#26484760 - 02/14/20 06:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A DMT trip and higher dose mushroom trip definitely have the same flavor to me, they tune me in to a frequency that I haven't experienced with other psychedelics/drugs. Kinda even literally, with the high pitched whirring frequency you can experience with both. Wherever/whatever it is has been described as hyperspace, the cosmic carnival, and many other terms.
For me it reminds me of intense imaginative words I would experience as a child, kind of like watching a cartoon and part of your child brain thinks that world actually exists. It"s somewhere with certain consistencies, but the parameters and rules of reality are different. The experience itself can come across largely as a guide, teacher, jokester, lover, ancestor, demon, etc. Both DMT and mushrooms bring that on for me, just to varying degrees.
DMT is just far more rushed, more abstract, can't really catch my breath and there's too much going on to take much of it in. Much easier to get overwhelmed, but also easier to experience temporary ego dissolution by completely letting go, sometimes trying to keep your mind in tact just takes too much energy and letting go is the only option.
"Ego death" is a complicated term, I prefer temporary dissolution. It's plenty possible on mushrooms, and even sober. A meditation practice can make it far easier to achieve while on even low doses of psychedelics.
It shouldn't really be a goal though, then you'll find yourself thinking "did I do it yet?", or mistaking moments of extreme tranquility for ego dissolution. If you know you're having it, you're probably not having it. For me it usually seems catalyzed by the feeling of dying or permanently losing my mind, where I've been able to release my attachments to such "important" constructs.
It's not really a goal to get to or some sort of pinnacle of tripping, it's just one of many possibilities that tripping can help guide you towards.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: feevers]
#26484835 - 02/14/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've yet to cross that path.. but as the poster above said.. if you're thinking you're having it - you're not. And honestly.. I think that just woke me up to the thought of me actually dissolving.
I've been there. I haven't surfed the cosmos, but I've been so in tune with music, where there was nothing else other than music and instruments.
When I think about it like that- I have achieved this. Without the feeling of "dying". Idk, it's a weird thing when I think back to it.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast] 1
#26484891 - 02/14/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You basically just stop caring what other people think and everyone thinks you’re a cunt because you know better than them. It’s A weird place to be, everyone in your life loves you more than they ever have because you’re a good person, but you’ve never been further away from them at the same time. Then you gauge every friendship you have, every possession you own and realize you are your own key to happiness and that you will never find happiness in the world and start focusing on your own personal pursuits in life. Ego death, spiritual awakening and enlightenment are all one in the same. It doesn’t make you a better person, just sure of the asshole you are. I first had a breakthrough on DMT 7!years ago then ended up having an ego death on shrooms. With lots of acid and shrooms use in between. Read the Alcoholics Anonymous book and learn those life principles and practice them in all your affairs but replace alcohol with whatever your greatest addiction is in life. Once you realize you have power over addiction and everything else in your life. Things start falling into place quickly. Took me about 7 months after living a completely pure clean sober life for 5 months.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
#26484907 - 02/14/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't know last week I accidentally dosed 340 mics of cid when I was aiming for 225 and there were points during the heat of the peak where all I could do was lay there without a clue who or what I was, everything in my mind became we as I merged with the geometry and it felt very similar to but also very different from higher doses of DMT (heaviest dose I've done being 70mg in one toke, pretty much blacked out and just came to that time though). I know that a buddy and I each ate 25mg of 4-AcO-MET and bumped it with a bit more insufflated (yeah I know not the place for RC discussions but it's relevant) and I know I had way more of a freak out as I was dissolving since we were on our way to get some coffees and smokes and I literally stopped in the middle of an intersection and said something along the lines of "Need go home way too intense get me there" and my friends and wife all said that they felt me 'die' as we got to our street (when I quit fighting) and ended up sitting on my sofa playing with a nitrous balloon for 2 hours like it was the absolute coolest thing ever...anyhow also a very similar feeling just slower. Also apparently that night my dumbass useless roommate snorted an enormous pile of the aco-met after eating 65mg in the first place.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: feevers]
#26484989 - 02/14/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feevers said:
"Ego death" is a complicated term, I prefer temporary dissolution. It's plenty possible on mushrooms, and even sober. A meditation practice can make it far easier to achieve while on even low doses of psychedelics.
It shouldn't really be a goal though, then you'll find yourself thinking "did I do it yet?", or mistaking moments of extreme tranquility for ego dissolution. If you know you're having it, you're probably not having it. For me it usually seems catalyzed by the feeling of dying or permanently losing my mind, where I've been able to release my attachments to such "important" constructs.
After reading more about ego death I think I'm just more interested in transcendental and out of body experiences. My next trip I'm going to take an eighth of some potent G.T's and meditate in the dark. If it happens, I may let it but I won't seek it. If it doesnt happen, I hope I still have a powerful experience for my first 3.5g dose
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: TokeItUp12]
#26485465 - 02/14/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushrooms is like driving a wonderful car at any speeds, slow, medium and fast speeds; you have time to look sideways out the windows and check your mirrors.
DMT is the same but the acceleration to top speed is shockingly fast, also you could easily go so fast as to be way out of control. the terrain can be the same but that wont be the first thing you notice.
(note: I do salvia not DMT, but I am extrapolating based upon research - not really an authority on DMT first hand)
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: redgreenvines]
#26486048 - 02/14/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Vastly different ime. Dmt is purely psychedelic in the sense that it’s effects stay in the psyche and do their work there. Shown something and that something is unmistakably psychically bound. Whereas shrooms there is more foreplay, more of an effect on the part of self that interprets the world and itself. Not just the speed that differs but the location where the effects are had. On shrooms the world is different, dmt there is something there and it’s not in the world.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: Yellow Pants]
#26486139 - 02/14/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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which psyche responds only to dmt and not psilocybin? psyche refers to something that is not material, or is a fancy way of saying mind which is the work of the brain.
the brain does respond to both drugs in a similar way, but the ROI of smoked dmt makes it hit way faster and it's physical structure metabolizes faster than does psilocybin.
the speed of it happening leaves the user astonished or bewildered as well as being extremely stoned for a short while.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: redgreenvines]
#26486205 - 02/14/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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the speed of it happening leaves the user astonished or bewildered as well as being extremely stoned for a short while.
“There is a god !” was my reaction.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: Yellow Pants] 1
#26486791 - 02/15/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is it just me or do not that many people use DMT orally (with Harmalas or Moclobemide)? Oral DMT is where it's at imo.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: Sabnock] 1
#26486799 - 02/15/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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As far as I know only a handfull of regular members have done this. At least this is how it seems. 
There just isn't much talk about oral dmt lately.
But I second that ayahuasca / pharmahuasca / oral dmt in general is the superior psychedelic experience. Like a more clearheaded, deeper version of shrooms. 
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#26486879 - 02/15/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have dmt and harmala(harmaline?) hcl I've been wanting to try but honestly I'm a little more nervous about playing around with an maoi than dmt itself. Just dont want to make myself feel very sick accidentally.
Sabnock and Pandemoon, glad to see you post here and confirm it is really special. Im thinking I may try 150mg harmala hcl on it's own first to see how it feels and if my body reacts well to it. If so i think I will combine that with like 100-120mg dmt. I love vaping dmt but the thought of extending a dmt trip sounds so wonderful.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: Psicomb] 2
#26486897 - 02/15/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Psicomvb said: I have dmt and harmala(harmaline?) hcl I've been wanting to try but honestly I'm a little more nervous about playing around with an maoi than dmt itself. Just dont want to make myself feel very sick accidentally.
Sabnock and Pandemoon, glad to see you post here and confirm it is really special. Im thinking I may try 150mg harmala hcl on it's own first to see how it feels and if my body reacts well to it. If so i think I will combine that with like 100-120mg dmt. I love vaping dmt but the thought of extending a dmt trip sounds so wonderful.
Don't worry about feeling sick, if you want to avoid nausea/vomiting just stick to a lower to more moderate end dosage of the Harmalas, or try to get your hands on Moclobemide. MAO-A inhibition is nothing to worry about. Also, if you do get sick when using Harmalas, it's not nearly as bad as one thinks, so long as you don't consume too much Harmalas, if the purge comes, it's relatively quick and painless for the most part, using extract there's like little to no nausea and one main vomit, just have a purge bucket nearby and try to hold things down as long as possible until you really feel the need to purge, some people don't even purge for some odd reason. But if you purge, try to embrace/accept it, don't think there's anything wrong with purging, try to see it as a good thing even if you hate vomiting, i do too, but it can come with the territory. There are things one can use to try to cut back on the nausea/vomiting, though the only sure thing i've tried is using Limonene or Lemon EO and that seems to counteract the purgative effects of Harmalas ime, not sure how it may affect the DMT portion though, but it's the only thing i've come across that seems to get the job done, compared to Ginger, Peppermint, Zofran, etc. Another thing you can try is consuming the Harmalas regularly, it'll build up a reverse tolerance to the Harmalas, and over a period of a few weeks (if consumed a few times a week at least), the side-effects of the Harmalas will go away so you can then take stronger Harmala dosages and not have nausea/vomiting without the need to counteract it with anything.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: Sabnock] 3
#26486915 - 02/15/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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For me, pure harmalas (HCl) don't make me nauseous, nor do I need to purge. I have taken oral dmt with harmalas over a dozen times now, never purged nor got nauseous. 
I take close to 200mg of harmalas, when doing oral dmt. 180mg to 200mg. That's enough for me (and most others) to fully inhibit mao. I react very sensitive to oral dmt. 40mg feels like 4 to 5 grams of shrooms to me already. 80mg and I'm glued to my couch, unable to move or open my eyes. A sheer firework. Better start low to see how you react. 
Recently got me a milligram scale, so next time I can weigh it more precicely.
I stagger my harmala dose into two parts, like 100mg + 100mg, and dose them 10 to 15 minutes appart (two gelatine capsuls is all you need). Then half an hour later I take the dmt. I always dissolve the dmt in a shotglass with lukewarm water and a splash of white vinegar. Like a spoon of vinegar. The vinegar turns the freebase dmt into the acetate salt. Any salt is good for oral ingestion. The stomche absorbs salts faster than the freebase. That's why.
I drink the dmt shot in one gulp and chase it with some fruit juice. Dmt dissolved in vinegar tastes funky.
No fear of MAOIs. Its good to dose somd without dmt, to see how you react. Harmalas are a RIMA, you don't have to follow any diet before. Just avoid any other drugs or medications when ingesting harmalas.
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Re: Ego death on mushrooms vs breakthrough on DMT [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#26486979 - 02/15/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow, thank you guys so much for the information. Okay, I won't worry much about MAOIs.
I am okay with some nausea and a quick purge if needed. Definitely for the greater good. Had some purges on heavy mushroom experiences before and it was never as bad as I thought it would be.
Didn't realize that dmt could be so active orally at those doses. I'll start closer to 40/50mg and see what happens. Had no idea that it is good to convert freebase dmt to a salt first either
This is exciting. I also am very excited to try psilohausca too.
I always appreciate y'alls posts, you guys are the real deal.
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