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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: filthyknees]
    #26463832 - 02/01/20 02:51 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Hey wondering if I’m on the right track here. I’m moving azures and cyans onto cardboard today and wanted to make one tub fermented Wood chips for each. So I bought these (I plan on chipping my own alder when it comes time to make the beds but was in town today and wanted to get started):



Chips and chunks:



Mixed them in a bucket and cut a lid with holes to put inside:



I put the lid in and put it a rock on top:



Sealed and waiting two weeks:



Does this make sense or am I on the wrong track? I could just use this to soak em for 48 hours and then pasteurize or sterilize but I was thinking one tub fermented, one tub pasteurized and one bag sterilized for each species...


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: orca shrooms]
    #26464070 - 02/01/20 05:34 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

You are on the right track, so u have a tub inside a tub right?

I use bucket this size and preferate it ll over and fill with wood chips.  SORRY ITS THE ONLY EXAMPLE OF SIZE I HAVE.  Just imagine no mushrooms and lots of holes.  Its so its make pasterising anything this size be it with chips, straw, cold Lime or fermenting method it make life easier.  You can just dump chips in a tube fill with water, weigh it down and use like that, its just I prefer to take them out to leave them on the side for a few hours and then they are ready to use or at a decent field capacity to use in bags.



I then lower into a bin like this that is big enough so the draining bucket fits in.  I then fill with water , put a brick on it and leave it for 2 weeks uncovered.


You will notice the wood goes a more orange colour and it stinks when you use it.  Using it fr 4kg expansion bags is in experimental stage and id very much like someone else to try it as speed was very good.  Any colonisation over 80% is usable so thats your target.  I got a fully colonised bag in 3 weeks.

To expand to a mother patch you just ferment lots more and it colonises super quick.  You can use the soaked chips for both pasteurisation and sterile expansion.


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #26464204 - 02/01/20 07:00 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Sweet thanks!  :cheers:


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: orca shrooms]
    #26464262 - 02/01/20 07:34 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Have you tried sterilizing fermented chips and inoculating those?

Got 4 jars of ps cyan grain spawn from a super nice cluster, was thinking about trying a few different ways as well. I’d probably spawn to fermented chips in a tote but ai do have xls spawn bags withcthe 5 micron filter too.


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: AyePlus]
    #26464381 - 02/01/20 09:50 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I havent.  Please post any results as im really enjoying gathering info here.


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter] * 5
    #26475105 - 02/08/20 08:11 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Over the years ive tried many things with chips. boil on fire,ferment,rain soak,bleach soak, no soak, sugar soak, presure cook.

But in my opinion a mix of random age, species, size,sterility, bacterial, mix match of wood chips collected from where ever you see it has best results for spawn to jump off and colonize quickly, also after your first time spawning to the wood chips from spawn jars/bags regular earth surface debri needs to be added from ten on out. Things like leaves in all sorts of decay, twigs, tree pollens yard debri and random things that get blown around in the natural weather.

from my experience most aggressive/effective winter  spawn run for following fall fruits was clean wild spores on agar, then put to regular pc'ed  grain jars prepped with just a few slivers or crumbs of any type wood.

clean cultures will have no issue eating both grain or small wood debri.(My opinion it helps while spawning?)
Here you can see first jump to wood in many cases.


Ive used strait wood many times but it just is to slow to colonize and  you have weak  jars of spawn that is not helping your first outdoor spawn to wood chips.
example:

  Using colonized grain jars w/bits wood in grain to make your first outdoor,first spawning of the spring for your new beds works so nuch better. very first spawn 1 to 1 to the random types wood and condition you will hardly beleive your eyes how fast wood lovers can colonize a substrate. just do small 1 to 1 for first outdoor of year spawn. random wood will introduce  your indoor protected grain spawn to the vastly different outdoor bio-verse they will be living in.
example of first spawn to random wood (1 jar indoor gain, rest mixed random wood, 1 week colonization.)
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trying to use one kind wood prepped a certain way in my experience isnt very successful and all kinds of weird things happen and rarely any first year fruits.
  second spawn of now outdoor wood spawn you have many options but first year i prefer to not break the block up to much and just put random wood and debris on and around the mycilium. over the years hunting wood lovers one thing is clear, biggest, chunkiest patches are on incline/declines even if slight(Not always but healthier happy looking fruits for sure) and the substrate is a mix mash of woods, leaves, debri, and lots of times trash. 
example second spawn:

from my experience its best not to try and contain a patch and just give it a one wood diet rather arrange them in a way they will expand naturally by gravity, weather and natures movement in a whole. I used to start pataches all over town and would make games of it like wondering how many years until this myc connects with that myc and try and inoculate giant piles of chips and stuff so they would spread on there own by many means.
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  contained beds in my experience just eat and eat chips turning it into dirt but not much fruit.
example.
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  It's just my opinion that theres a whole lot more to a wood lover than a particular wood chip and how its prepared.
  No matter what, all this and everything we all do helps in so many ways and benefits everyone directly or indirectly.  for that my friends i thank each and every one of you and all the effort you put in to help gain the understanding. Thank you!:hatsoff:

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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #26475141 - 02/08/20 08:45 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Lovely work man!!!!


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #26475252 - 02/08/20 10:20 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Great post NothingsChanged!
One myth that refuses to die is that woodlovers need 2 seasons/years before they fruit. They can all be fruited in 6 months or less by following the advice in NothingsChanged post.
No use of cardboard either:thumbup:


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Rumblestrip] * 1
    #26475257 - 02/08/20 10:26 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

My man NC.

Nice write up brother man


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Yesum]
    #26475259 - 02/08/20 10:28 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Thank you for that NC. Comes along at the perfect time!!


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: orca shrooms]
    #26475290 - 02/08/20 10:51 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I’ve got 4 quart jars of Ps. cyan clone mycelium, was thinking about spawning each to a sweaterbox with a 2:1 mix of chips and sawdust. Dont have anything fermenting yet, would it be worthwhile to wait a week or two while I ferment some chips?Or should i just spawn to pasteurized chips and expand to the fermented chips in a couple weeks when they are ready? Once I have a couple totes full of myc I will be making an outdoor patch with fermented chips, but still a few weeks away from that..

I can already tell from stem butt experiments they dont much care for the un treated softwood pellets but i figure adding a sawdust component to hardwood (willow and alder) chips Is a good idea.


Open to any suggestions.



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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: AyePlus]
    #26475856 - 02/08/20 05:30 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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AyePlus said:
I’ve got 4 quart jars of Ps. cyan clone mycelium, was thinking about spawning each to a sweaterbox with a 2:1 mix of chips and sawdust. Dont have anything fermenting yet, would it be worthwhile to wait a week or two while I ferment some chips?Or should i just spawn to pasteurized chips and expand to the fermented chips in a couple weeks when they are ready? Once I have a couple totes full of myc I will be making an outdoor patch with fermented chips, but still a few weeks away from that..

I can already tell from stem butt experiments they dont much care for the un treated softwood pellets but i figure adding a sawdust component to hardwood (willow and alder) chips Is a good idea.


Open to any suggestions.



Clone came from




Hopefully it can perform that well again...




If its for an expansion before patch id spawn to chips and use fermented later.  Its all about timing...


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #26475889 - 02/08/20 05:52 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26484168 - 02/13/20 06:04 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Do you reckon you could do this and ferment sawdust? I just ordered a bag off eBay and thought it was 25kg but turned out to be 40kg and it’s fucking huge :zoidberg:

I need to get it used, thought it would be better and cheaper than hwfp but now I’ve found some and I’m stuck with this fucking huge bag of sawdust that’s making a right mess in my house

I was thinking get a massive trough of some sort, leave out covered in water for a couple of weeks, drain, then inoculate the shit out of them with a variety of wood loving spawn and hope for the best lol


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Smoothcat]
    #26484172 - 02/13/20 06:06 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I've seen sawdust loaded into pails and flooded. Scalable in either direction.


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Smoothcat]
    #26484201 - 02/13/20 06:28 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Quote:

Smoothcat said:
Do you reckon you could do this and ferment sawdust? I just ordered a bag off eBay and thought it was 25kg but turned out to be 40kg and it’s fucking huge :zoidberg:

I need to get it used, thought it would be better and cheaper than hwfp but now I’ve found some and I’m stuck with this fucking huge bag of sawdust that’s making a right mess in my house

I was thinking get a massive trough of some sort, leave out covered in water for a couple of weeks, drain, then inoculate the shit out of them with a variety of wood loving spawn and hope for the best lol




Try it an report back


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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #26524887 - 03/09/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #26525472 - 03/09/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Bobbit]
    #26526349 - 03/09/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
    #26527253 - 03/10/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

P.subaeruginosa.

Grown in layered poplar chips (some fermented)

Got about 90 from 3 flushes. . . No canopies, beautiful big caps


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