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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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i like turtles
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone] 1
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26483704 - 02/13/20 01:06 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: all of my threads turn to shit don't they?
Sorry bout that
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
#26483965 - 02/13/20 03:40 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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footpath said: While I agree that most things can be incorporated as lessons, I don't agree that all of them can. If for no other reason than the use of 'can'. If that's a variable in the equation, the equation falls apart. Because they can not, that leaves open the possibility for them to not. To poke a hole in my own belief, I suppose the one caveat might be that there is something to learn in that there are some things that cannot offer lessons; there are correlative lessons in absence.
Lessons vs teachers I suppose. All things aren't lessons but all things can be learned from. The most difficult are the most useful IME.
There's a Buddhist saying that the most difficult people are the best lessons, and I've found that to be true. When somebody gets under your skin you ask yourself why exactly until you figure it out. Then the next time there's no skin there for them to get underneath.
People claim to be enlightened all the time. Generally it just means they've got more road to follow even if they can't see it yet. This just makes them difficult people and...yeah that's right...the best lessons.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26484034 - 02/13/20 04:34 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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. If anyone thinks there are no bad trips, they might want to read Salvia trip reports. The idea that one is learning lessons, implies there is still an ego that has needs, or that one's boundaries seem definite. . A serious dose of any psychedelic can mess with the ego, dissolving boundaries, or simply dissolving it totally. Going back and forth between these states, while difficult and confusing unconscious material arises, is not something every individual can always handle; call it what you will, a fair percentage of people, have been badly affected, at one time or another. . This partly why 'set & setting' have long been considered important. Why? because tripping is not predictable, so it makes sense to exercise some caution, rather than to veer into arrogance, or adolescent bravado. . And in the case of native practices a shaman is often present.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26484072 - 02/13/20 05:04 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: Lessons vs teachers I suppose. All things aren't lessons but all things can be learned from. The most difficult are the most useful IME.
There's a Buddhist saying that the most difficult people are the best lessons, and I've found that to be true. When somebody gets under your skin you ask yourself why exactly until you figure it out. Then the next time there's no skin there for them to get underneath.
People claim to be enlightened all the time. Generally it just means they've got more road to follow even if they can't see it yet. This just makes them difficult people and...yeah that's right...the best lessons.

I believe I'm currently out of any further rebuttal... (might be the scotch) The Buddhists and Toaists do hit home for me a lot of the time. I always try to accept my frustrations as the brain merely finding the most trouble with understanding something, and that something thus has the potential to create new synapse connections - furthering your ability to understand. Or, more romantically, as Ralph Waldo Emerson said: The mind, once stretched by a new idea, never returns to its original dimensions. It needs to be stretched, conflicted, fondled, affronted from time to time to expand.
While I'm still not entirely convinced otherwise, I can certainly digress from my own stance on this lesson/teacher ideology. I have reached a wall of frustration that needs deconstructing - not necessarily a frustration generated by a person, but maybe by the concept itself... or maybe just by my own duality. I'm sure I'm not the most equipped to be so certain in my views. I'm not even 100% convinced of what I argue... ever. I am, however (contrary to the situations I argue exist), certain these discussions will give me more to marinate in. Maybe I'll have something to expound upon in the future that may solidify my view. Or, perhaps, liquidate it.
I think the most enlightened I've ever felt was when I stopped caring about being enlightened and simply just rolled around in the grass in front of me. Grass is nice. I guess unless you have hay fever... hm.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
#26484089 - 02/13/20 05:12 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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I find just embracing the tripping experience to offer the most rewards. It's like a guided tour of how your consciousness can be even if you've managed to forget somehow what it's like.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26484145 - 02/13/20 05:45 PM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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different folks are scared of different things, gets more interesting after 1:20
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: laughingdog]
#26484160 - 02/13/20 05:57 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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or when you are beyond fear try this: gets even more interesting at 2:50- & nice image at-3:17
Edited by laughingdog (02/13/20 06:04 PM)
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: laughingdog]
#26484161 - 02/13/20 05:58 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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i’ll report back to this thread when i try salvia
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