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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #26483320 - 02/13/20 09:10 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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Ah, interesting! That's been my experience so far as well I've got quarts going at the moment but they've stalled a bit. It's been two months and they're still not fully colonized. That was partly my fault for not shaking after inoculation, not using enough LC and putting the lid on too tight, but I'm hoping I can get them to finish up. I just started some more quarts and hope I get better results. Maybe it's time to try pints!




Yeah, these four quarts are a month and a half old:



The red line is dry erase marker - I traced the progress about 10 days ago to see if they'd stalled or were just slow. Still moving, but only like 1-2mm per day. And they're too dense to shake, so that wouldn't help. I think if you're planning on needing a shake, you'd need a recipe of mostly grains rather than bulk.

I've been working on an idea for quarts that might work though. I've seen some people talk about using a dowel to press a tunnel down the middle so you can drop LC in all the way down. The trouble with that is that if you take out the dowel, it will likely close up during PC, and if you don't then removing the dowel afterward involves a lot of movement (meaning high contam risk, at least if you're using a SAB). My idea is to make a hole with a dowel / sharpie / whatever but then use something hollow that can be PC'd to create a sturdy tunnel so that you can easily get LC down to the bottom for quicker colonization.

My first try will be using these very thick-walled cardboard tubes that are at the center of my dog's poop bags. They're about 2" long and 1/4" wide, so should let me dump LC into the exact middle of the bottle. They're thick enough that I think they'll stay solid, but if not, my next option will be centrifuge tubes with the narrow end cut off. I got a pack of 100 for slant making, but won't use nearly that many in the foreseeable future, and anyway they're cheap and should even be reusable if you're willing to clean them after. And as an added bonus, they're wide enough (I think 15mm) that you could potentially even use colonized grain for inoculation rather than LC.

(In that case I'd probably just make up GLI instead, but I know some people just really hate working with liquids, and this would allow for bottle grows without LC/LI or a separate bulk spawning.)

Waiting for some of my current grows to finish before making up some new bottles this way, but if it works out I'll definitely document and share with the group.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Durgin] * 1
    #26483333 - 02/13/20 09:15 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Paper straws my guy

Stick them in the middle, PC, and pour

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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Ryzo]
    #26483335 - 02/13/20 09:18 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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Paper straws my guy

Stick them in the middle, PC, and pour

:cool:



They hold up? I thought of those but assumed that if they can't stay in one piece for the time it takes to drink a glass of water, they'd surely fall apart during a PC cycle. Was going to keep an eye out for bamboo straws, since those would probably hold up better, and they're thinner so I could potentially spread 3 or 4 around the bottle for even quicker colonization.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Durgin]
    #26483355 - 02/13/20 09:31 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Nah they’re good dude

Prep your pp5 and slide em down center

Don’t even need the whole straw either I cut mine in half and let the LC do it’s thang straight center

Not sure which you’ve seen but the paper ones I’ve used are hard as cardboard


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Ryzo]
    #26483454 - 02/13/20 10:37 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

If you’re gonna pc them anyways why not make a tunnel of grain? Large grains like oats or wheat would allow the lc to flow past and make a great jump off point for the mycelium to colonize the rest of the bottle from.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: AyePlus]
    #26483474 - 02/13/20 10:51 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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If you’re gonna pc them anyways why not make a tunnel of grain? Large grains like oats or wheat would allow the lc to flow past and make a great jump off point for the mycelium to colonize the rest of the bottle from.



Where's that "mind blown" gif when you need it? Though I would think wheat might absorb a bit too much. Would actually try popcorn for this. I only typically use it for growing stones (as many others have noted, it takes longer to prep and has fewer inoculation points, but for stones the results are way better IME), but in this case, I think it would probably hold the space open better than smaller grains.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: AyePlus]
    #26483822 - 02/13/20 02:24 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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If you’re gonna pc them anyways why not make a tunnel of grain? Large grains like oats or wheat would allow the lc to flow past and make a great jump off point for the mycelium to colonize the rest of the bottle from.




See this right here is where the pros come in better

Bruh that’s genius


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Ryzo]
    #26484006 - 02/13/20 04:07 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

So the tunnel of corn in the.center would be to keep the sub loose for shaking or just.to let the LI flow through more evenly to colonize the bottom?


I like shoeboxes alot but I can see using this with a pint of pan cake in a quart screw top. I've always wanted to try pans this may be the tek.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Drboomer]
    #26485573 - 02/14/20 02:35 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Just to let the LI flow.

Re: pans, I've got some of these pint bottles colonizing now, but I'd be reluctant to try it with quarts. Pans need more FAE than cubes, so fruiting in vitro probably wouldn't give great results. Might work, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Given how much lower the weights from pans are to begin with, I'd hate to go through all that work and wind up with like half a dry gram.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Durgin]
    #26485611 - 02/14/20 02:59 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Durgin, late to the party here, but I'm doing a round of pans in the quart size jars instead of bags for the next round.
I figure one quart will colonize better that 3 stuffed in a bag. But I'll dump out the quarts and fruit from a tray just
like usual.

I don't think you would have much success fruiting directly out of those quarts bc the stuff on the bottom would choke out.
Like you said, they'll need some air after 5-7 days.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Asura]
    #26485703 - 02/14/20 04:17 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Was actually thinking of trying the same thing once I free up some more quarts. Right now I have 7 of them (+ 2 pints) full of hpoo/straw/verm (Jake's recipe) that I'm in the middle of pasteurizing, and when the quarts of grain I noc'd up a couple days ago are finished and I can spawn, I may try your tek in quarts with an LC I just started. But first need to see if my improvised FC will be good enough to get a half-decent yield, or if I'll need to build out a full GH tub like Jake's. (Not really aiming for canopies like you and Jake get and would happily settle for half that, so will see how close I can get with what I already have on hand.)


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