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Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea?
    #26481671 - 02/12/20 09:50 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

So I drank 18 feet worth of tea and the nausea was pretty bad. Looking to do 24 feet next, my question is if it's better to simply purge at the beginning, or if that would ruin the vibe (associate the trip in your head with vomiting)/ lose mescaline?

If not, how would I reduce nausea? This is my plan:
Brew ginger and herbs into the tea
Take OTC anti-nausea meds like dramamine (idk how effective this will be bc it's mostly for motion sickness but I couldn't find actual OTC nausea meds at the local pharmacy)
Let it sit in the fridge for a while to try and separate out the particles (mesc is water soluble)

The first time, all I did was discard the cores and brew the remaining cacti pieces in a large pot, discarding some of the particles after a day of sitting in the fridge.

edit: inches, not feet


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26481693 - 02/12/20 10:09 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Did you peel the waxy layer off? Simmer and reduce it to a shot or 2, or make the tarballs, or get some zofran.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26481701 - 02/12/20 10:14 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

I did not peel the skin off, maybe I should cut around the skin before boiling?

Idk how I would acquire Zofran. It’s also a serotonin antagonist which makes me think it could interfere with a mescaline trip?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 2
    #26481743 - 02/12/20 10:42 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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So I drank 18 feet worth of tea....Looking to do 24 feet next




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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26481766 - 02/12/20 10:57 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Ooohhh, didn't think about the ssri thing, don't do that. Try good ol' pink bismuth.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26481800 - 02/12/20 11:16 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Its no ssri. Zofran blocks the 5ht3 receptor, that's the serotonin receptor that causes puking and nausea.

Mescaline acts as a partial agonist on the 5ht2a receptor. A blocked 5ht3 receptor does not influence the psychedelic effects.

Lemon essential oil also blocks 5ht3. Just add a few drops (~10 drops) of this oil to a glass of water /juice, and drink before dosing. It helps a lot with nausea.
Also works with shrooms, or any other psychedelic that causes nausea.

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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26481813 - 02/12/20 11:24 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

YAY! always with the good knowledge!:thumbup::heart::thumbup:


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26481821 - 02/12/20 11:28 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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Its no ssri. Zofran blocks the 5ht3 receptor, that's the serotonin receptor that causes puking and nausea.

Mescaline acts as a partial agonist on the 5ht2a receptor. A blocked 5ht3 receptor does not influence the psychedelic effects.

Lemon essential oil also blocks 5ht3. Just add a few drops (~10 drops) of this oil to a glass of water /juice, and drink before dosing. It helps a lot with nausea.
Also works with shrooms, or any other psychedelic that causes nausea.

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Good tips with the lemon essential oil and with the Zofran.

How does one go about acquiring it (Zofran) though?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26481843 - 02/12/20 11:41 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Any OTC antiemetics that are effective for cactus brew?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26482236 - 02/12/20 03:56 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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So I drank 18 feet worth of tea and the nausea was pretty bad. Looking to do 24 feet next, my question is if it's better to simply purge at the beginning, or if that would ruin the vibe....







Do you mean inches, not feet?...With 18 feet of cactus reduced down into a tea, I'm pretty certain there is a good chance that would be a lethal overdose for some people.

If you need that much cactus, the material you're working with is incredibly weak.



About nausea/purging....Mescaline in general is known to cause a bit of load on the stomach/gut, even in pure/extracted form.

Like pandemoon mentioned...Mescaline binds to all sorts of serotonin receptors and there are lots of them through out the gut, which is said to be the main cause of nausea from cactus.

So using a 5-ht3 antagonist should, in theory, help alleviate the nausea with out blocking the psychedelic effects...I haven't tried this yet my self.



When I drink cactus tea....I try to not move around much for the first 2 hours or so. I drink my dose in a few gulps over 10 to 15 minutes, chased down with juice then I rinse my mouth out with water after chasing with juice lol (the taste of cactus tea has only become worse and worse for me each time I drink it lol)...I smoke some weed to help calm the stomach (cactus is the only psychedelic I'll smoke during the come up, specifically to sooth any stomach load).

I mostly just sit or lay down and kinda almost take a "weed nap" for that first two hours. Moving around, even slightly, makes the nausea and stomach load intensify for me. Not only that, but I also feel very "heavy and slow" during the come up with cactus/mescaline (like with most psychedelics).

I try to hold things down for at least an hour before I puke....If you can go an hour with out puking, that should be plenty of time for the majority of the dose to absorb into your system.

I've actually only puked from cactus tea once before, and that time also so happened to be one of the strongest experiences I've had with it. If I recall correctly, I puked around 90 minutes after drinking the tea. The nausea started for me around 40 minutes or so and kept building up in intensity, I tried to not think about it and tried holding it down as long as I could but I finally got to the point where I could tell my gut was about to purge...After I puked I felt soooooo so damn good and was tripping much more intensely that I was before I puked. I felt great after puking.

The more nausea I get during the come up, the stronger the trip is IME. I do find the nausea to be correlated to the potency of the tea IME.

The last time I drank cactus tea I had quite a heavy body load for the first 2 hours...I came very close to puking around 2 hours after drinking it but I never did, after that the nausea started to subside and by 3 hours I didn't have any sort of load or nausea. The nausea seems to "peak" for me between the 1 and 2 hour mark, after that it's mostly smooth sailing.



So I guess all I do to reduce nausea is smoking some weed and trying not to move much and relax for that first couple hours. Having a little bit of food in my stomach, like fruit, can help "soften" the load on the stomach a bit.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: openmind]
    #26482244 - 02/12/20 04:02 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Yes, 18 inches. lol.

I don't think the mescaline itself causes the nausea, as the mescaline coming on actually feels like nausea relief. Regardless, I have no idea how I would acquire Zofran. Therefore, I'm looking for an effective OTC antiemetic?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26482313 - 02/12/20 04:50 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Yeah I saw 18 feet and was thinking pretty sure that's exceeding the LD/50 for mescaline by quite a bit, 18 inches is another matter. I would probably try ginger with it initially to see if that cleans up the nausea however when I drink cactus tea it's often coming out both ends so sitting on the toilet with a bag in my hands for a solid hour sometimes more. You could also reduce it a bit more so there's less volume but I find that with any mescaline even extracted and washed there will be nausea but cactus has a cocktail of actives that fuck around with the serotonin receptors in gut so you'll likely end up vomiting or if you keep it down shitting out the residual slime. If you want to do an extraction and not wash it to remove the other alkaloids rectal administration definitely cut down on the nausea a lot though I was also using washed mescaline acetate and hcl so I can't speak for dosing the full goo you'll get that way and nausea.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Lophophora]
    #26482421 - 02/12/20 06:10 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I second the vote for rectal administration.

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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26482423 - 02/12/20 06:11 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I think i’m going to avoid rectal administration, lol


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26482497 - 02/12/20 06:48 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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I think i’m going to avoid rectal administration, lol



That's........:smirk:


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26483318 - 02/13/20 09:07 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

When I reduce the tea down a lot and make it really concentrated then its less to drink, but the flavor is much worse and it irritates my stomach more.  But when the tea is not concentrated enough then its a lot to drink and keep down.  Reducing it down to approximately 1 ounce per 1 inch of cutting by length seems to be a happy medium.  So 14 inches of cactus reduced to 14 ounces of tea... or 16 inches of cactus reduced to 16 ounces of tea.  For me this is pretty ideal in terms of having a managable amount to drink, while not irritating the stomach too bad or dealing with super concentrated disgusting flavor.  Of course cuttings vary in thickness and the 1 ounce per 1 inch of cutting may need to be tweaked if the cutting is very fat or skinny.

It helps to drink the tea slowly.  Take a drink, chase it with something that will eliminate the bad taste, and wait a few minutes before taking another drink.  If you space it out so that it takes 30 or 40 mimutes to drink all the tea then it isnt as hard on the stomach.

But when the dose is high and there is a lot of mescaline to drink then I end up puking no matter what.  Its part of the process.  Sometimes its just the price you have to pay for admission.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Grey Fox] * 1
    #26483384 - 02/13/20 09:51 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Tarballs, an immodium AD, and a 20 or 40mg omeprezole, little to no nausea for me.:shrug:

I refuse to believe throwing up "is part of the process", we have meds now, it's not the 1500's.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26483432 - 02/13/20 10:20 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

If you drink strong tea without taking anti-nausea medication then it is part of the process.  Not everyone wants to take additional synthetic medication with their cactus.  To each their own.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26483448 - 02/13/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

That is true.:heart:


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26483576 - 02/13/20 11:48 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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I refuse to believe throwing up "is part of the process", we have meds now, it's not the 1500's.



My sentiment exactly. Tradition < Merit.

Just cuz the ancients purged demons and died as infants doesn't mean I should too!


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