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OfflineLSA Woodrose
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Cool Down Time For Psychedelics?
    #26481457 - 02/12/20 06:24 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Okay, here is a concept I have actually wondered about for years, but I never had the pharmacological courage to experiment with it to find out for myself. Since I am an avid gamer, I used gaming-geek terminology to phrase the question. In gaming, cool-down period is referred to the time you have to wait between using sometimes an overpowered powerup or ability. In INSOMNIAC's Spider-Man, for instance, you have a ton of web gadgets, but you can't just choose the one you like and SPAM it without limitation. You have to wait for some sort of recharge or replenishment, in other words a cool down.

How am I relating this to tripping? I remember years ago, several times I took LSD or other hallucinogens, and I noticed that tolerance built up incredibly fast. In other words, if I took a tab of acid, let's say, it would be intense and vibrant. But trying it the next day, same dose, same empty stomach, same weed on hand, and...almost nothing. I felt something, but only a tiny bit.

I seem to remember having to wait some time between dosing to get the same effect. I also remember reading that tolerance for hallucinogens builds up incredibly fast, but that if one waits a very short time, it resets just as fast as the tolerance built up. In other words, lol a cool down period.

Now, the caveat is that I had a lot of friends who were much more avid trippers, and they explained that you could blast past the cool down, say if you wanted to trip two days in a row, but that you would have to markedly increase dosage. I never experimented with this.

Since you folks are all incredibly knowledgeable about this, I will ask here:

Is this concept of a "cool down" or very fast tolerance build up really true?

If so, what is the best time to wait between trips to get the same effect without increasing dosage?

Is it safe to increase dosage if, for example, someone wanted to trip two days in a row, or trip two times in three days?

What kind of dosage increase would one want to use if one were planning on doing multiple trips in a short time?

Would changing drugs change the cool down? Meaning, say one trips on LSA one day, then shrooms the next, and then LSD on day 3? Not that this kind of frequency is an option for me, but I am curious.


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26481461 - 02/12/20 06:33 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Its definitely true. Tolerance is real. It happens quick. ...

For shrooms and LSD

But I have heard you can dose dmt with harmalas nightly and trip just fine.



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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26481465 - 02/12/20 06:38 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Anyone have experience with mushrooms and then LSD back to back, or maybe one day in between? For instance, mushrooms or LSD on Friday, the other on Sunday?


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: WhoRunsWhere] * 1
    #26481559 - 02/12/20 08:03 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

The Mycologist, I have never tried DMT. But it sounds intriguing.


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: WhoRunsWhere]
    #26481596 - 02/12/20 08:47 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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WhoRunsWhere said:
Anyone have experience with mushrooms and then LSD back to back, or maybe one day in between? For instance, mushrooms or LSD on Friday, the other on Sunday?



There’s definitely some cross-tolerance between them, but it wouldn’t be as much of a waste as eating either one 2 days in a row. I’d say up the doze by %30 and you won’t notice a difference.


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: WhoRunsWhere]
    #26481679 - 02/12/20 09:58 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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WhoRunsWhere said:
Anyone have experience with mushrooms and then LSD back to back, or maybe one day in between? For instance, mushrooms or LSD on Friday, the other on Sunday?




Yeah once I did mushrooms on Thursday and LSD on Saturday. Had 2 full trips and a great time


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26481685 - 02/12/20 10:04 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Just wait, at least a month. It's so much better and you'll get more from it.
I've been tripping since 1979 by the way.


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26481732 - 02/12/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

In my experience, it's one week for 90%, two weeks for 100%, longer for the "magic"

LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline all have almost 100% cross tolerance


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26481928 - 02/12/20 12:40 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

in terms of lsd, (can be translated into grammage of mushrooms as well)

the cooldown after a microdose (10-25 mics) is one and a half days - so one or two days off

the cooldown after a light dose (25 mics- 50 mics) is 4-7 days

the cooldown for full doses (100-200 mics) is 2 weeks to 4 weeks. (weekly trippers on full dose are getting the benefit of a half dose at best after the first cycle - for this frequency I recommend half dose only - still pretty good)

for extreme doses (300 to 1000 mics) 3 months to 6 months are required for a full cooldown.

it has to do with replenishment of receptors that become either partially or fully consumed based upon how high you dose.


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26482048 - 02/12/20 02:02 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
in terms of lsd, (can be translated into grammage of mushrooms as well)
for extreme doses (300 to 1000 mics) 3 months to 6 months are required for a full cooldown.

it has to do with replenishment of receptors that become either partially or fully consumed based upon how high you dose.



This is definitely not true. I dropped 675ug and a month later 350ug was stronger than 300ug I did with no tolerance before the 675ug.


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26482720 - 02/12/20 08:27 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

ok, that's terrific, and much more than my personal experience.
I would not be able to recommend what you did but I love your avatar


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26482912 - 02/12/20 10:52 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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LSA Woodrose said:


Now, the caveat is that I had a lot of friends who were much more avid trippers, and they explained that you could blast past the cool down, say if you wanted to trip two days in a row, but that you would have to markedly increase dosage. I never experimented with this.


Is this concept of a "cool down" or very fast tolerance build up really true?

If so, what is the best time to wait between trips to get the same effect without increasing dosage?

Is it safe to increase dosage if, for example, someone wanted to trip two days in a row, or trip two times in three days?

What kind of dosage increase would one want to use if one were planning on doing multiple trips in a short time?





Just for mushrooms - add 50% each successive day - say  5, 7.5, 11, 17 etc.  For tea from fresh and ordinary cubes this progression stops at about 250 g where tolerance peaks.  If you have enough you can continue at the same dose daily, full on trips with OEV at the peak.  It seems safe to me.

SFAIK there is no "cool down" and the amount of time it takes to make tolerance (about an hour) is not at all the same as it takes to lose it (one to two weeks).


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26482915 - 02/12/20 10:59 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I've always waited a week, can still get about the same trip out of the same dose. 9 days is my 'norm' if I'm tripping a bunch/have a shit tonne of shrooms :eek:

However, I've been experimenting with tolerance on shrooms (pan cyans). Took 2+grams on Sunday, then 5grams yesterday and I had a fuckin craYZee trip hah! To further this investigation I shall try tripping this weekend again, I'll have to take more a higher dose but interested to see if I can knock my socks off again! :crazy2::rasta:


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26482926 - 02/12/20 11:12 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:
Just wait, at least a month. It's so much better and you'll get more from it.
I've been tripping since 1979 by the way.



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Korean Jesus said:
In my experience, it's one week for 90%, two weeks for 100%, longer for the "magic"

LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline all have almost 100% cross tolerance



Quote:

redgreenvines said:
in terms of lsd, (can be translated into grammage of mushrooms as well)

the cooldown after a microdose (10-25 mics) is one and a half days - so one or two days off

the cooldown after a light dose (25 mics- 50 mics) is 4-7 days

the cooldown for full doses (100-200 mics) is 2 weeks to 4 weeks. (weekly trippers on full dose are getting the benefit of a half dose at best after the first cycle - for this frequency I recommend half dose only - still pretty good)

for extreme doses (300 to 1000 mics) 3 months to 6 months are required for a full cooldown.

it has to do with replenishment of receptors that become either partially or fully consumed based upon how high you dose.



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PrimalSoup said:
one to two weeks



All four of these are 100% accurate. There might be some slight disagreement between them, but I think that's normal: different people respond differently. But these are all 100% accurate in my experience.


Edited by nooneman (02/12/20 11:14 PM)


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26482947 - 02/12/20 11:45 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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ok, that's terrific, and much more than my personal experience.
I would not be able to recommend what you did but I love your avatar



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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: bertblack]
    #26483321 - 02/13/20 09:11 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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bertblack said:
I've always waited a week, can still get about the same trip out of the same dose. 9 days is my 'norm' if I'm tripping a bunch/have a shit tonne of shrooms :eek:

However, I've been experimenting with tolerance on shrooms (pan cyans). Took 2+grams on Sunday, then 5grams yesterday and I had a fuckin craYZee trip hah! To further this investigation I shall try tripping this weekend again, I'll have to take more a higher dose but interested to see if I can knock my socks off again! :crazy2::rasta:



Do it for science!:nerd:


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Re: Cool Down Time For Psychedelics? [Re: feldman114]
    #26484175 - 02/13/20 06:07 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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feldman114 said:
Quote:

bertblack said:
I've always waited a week, can still get about the same trip out of the same dose. 9 days is my 'norm' if I'm tripping a bunch/have a shit tonne of shrooms :eek:

However, I've been experimenting with tolerance on shrooms (pan cyans). Took 2+grams on Sunday, then 5grams yesterday and I had a fuckin craYZee trip hah! To further this investigation I shall try tripping this weekend again, I'll have to take more a higher dose but interested to see if I can knock my socks off again! :crazy2::rasta:



Do it for science!:nerd:



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