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How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams?
#26482329 - 02/12/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is a controversial topic, so lets get this out of the way. This is for people that believe that a mushroom grow area can get so sullied with contams that it will sicken your current grow.... even with perfect spawn.
If one had this situation.... how would one deep clean? What kills shit? (trich for example)
I personally have a leaf blower that I hit the walls and ceiling with, then I mop the floor with soapy water. I do this whole thing twice.
1) bleach in the water? 2) do any bombs exist? (like a flea bomb?) 3) What of a massive lysol unloading with a respirator? 4) burn the house down? (primalsoup's idea)
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26482339 - 02/12/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd say just water and 10% bleach.. I've had trich get 3 tubs sitting next to each other.. it stopped happening after a good clean.. walls/ceiling/dressers/etc
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26482360 - 02/12/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Biocide mold bomb fogger
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: RhizoRyan]
#26482374 - 02/12/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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wipe your walls down let the air settle and vacuum or mop, disinfecting won't do much good for you
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: cronicr]
#26482387 - 02/12/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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My walls are painted drywall... cheap eggshell. just use warm slightly soapy water?
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: RhizoRyan]
#26482389 - 02/12/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ryan97 said: Biocide mold bomb fogger
Oh shit, I thought you were joking! but thats a thing! Do people here use it?
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro] 2
#26482415 - 02/12/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I grow in a basement with dirt floors, cobwebs, moldy old cardboard boxes and god know's what else. Doesn't affect my tubs at all.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26482442 - 02/12/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: I grow in a basement with dirt floors, cobwebs, moldy old cardboard boxes and god know's what else. Doesn't affect my tubs at all.
I'm super new just ordered spores set up a SAB and preparing for them to come so I can start my agar practice. Is your success rate good even in dirty environment? I will be using a shitty living room table and I'm worried that the air will contaminate anything I try to grow.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: huangdeez]
#26482455 - 02/12/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The basement is where I have my jars and tubs colonizing/spawning and fruiting. I do not do my clean work in this area.
Using a livingroom as your "lab" is just fine. I set up anywhere within reason. Livingroom/bedroom.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26482483 - 02/12/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: The basement is where I have my jars and tubs colonizing/spawning and fruiting. I do not do my clean work in this area.
Using a livingroom as your "lab" is just fine. I set up anywhere within reason. Livingroom/bedroom.
Thats interesting. I do it all in one room. I dump my moldy tubs into a garbage bag in the same place I mix my coir with my spawn. I try to be clean, but the lore is.... you needn't be clean when you spawn to your tubs.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26482495 - 02/12/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If everything has been done correctly then it doesn't matter. Clean spawn and well prepared substrate will not contaminate under normal circumstances. There are plenty of airborne contaminants in every conceivable environment other than an actual clean room.
If you have an issue with your tubs it's because of your spawn. It's either not fully colonized or it is carrying contamination in the jar.
My grow area has mold growing on the wall, it's fuckin saturated with contamination. I spawn in this room without issue. I've made absolutely no attempt at cleaning it, period.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26482499 - 02/12/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There are many that disagree. I don't know the answer, but I think I fall in the camp that too high a spore load can exist.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26482501 - 02/12/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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trusted cultivator says... (primalsoup)"Yeah I've had trich problems and recovered. And yeah it seems like it shows up once and then more often and then starts to show up everywhere. The spores get into shit but they don't live forever.
So #1 if it's a problem is clean everything you can manage. Maybe switch out locations for spawn running, for fruiting, the usual. Change your sub around as well. Burn your house down and use the insurance to buy a new one that's never been grown in. Or just do something else for a few years until the spores degrade. Spawn under semi-sterile conditions without any fans running or open windows. Fit out a room so you can wipe it all down and never bring anything into it that's been anywhere near the growing area.
But #2 is yeah it could be your spawn. It can look healthy and all but carry the spores or a low level infection that doesn't show up until the myc colonizes certain subs and (I guess) puts out some sort of chemical signal that the trich reads to say "party time!" That's just what it does IME. If it's bad it just shows up right at the worst time and then it makes itself a habit of that.
Compromised spawn in any way will give trich a hold. That's why usually it won't show up on healthy tubs until right near the end of flushes. It's a good reason to compost tubs that have seen their better days. Compromised spawn will invite it in before it even fruits, I had that happen just the other day with some old so-so jars that I cased out to see if they would produce anything. You see that green you gotta get it outside quick and leave it covered up while you do so...
Think about it like this - when you start out fresh you usually never see trich. It takes a while and some infestations before it gets a foothold. So figure out how to get back to fresh and go from there.
Fuck, long answer, but long question. Good luck."
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26482513 - 02/12/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: I grow in a basement with dirt floors, cobwebs, moldy old cardboard boxes and god know's what else. Doesn't affect my tubs at all.
Sounds like my basement. I got cobwebs dangling from the rafters and daddy longlegs crawling around.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: JohnRainyII]
#26482660 - 02/12/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just repaint. Add some of that mildewcide paint additive if you want to be real pointlessly OCD about it.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26482682 - 02/12/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dont want to be the asshole because I like you, but if you have trich fucking up your subs it realy boils down to dirty spawn or Ecoearth.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: Sockadin]
#26482687 - 02/12/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not all agree...
I'm kinda unsure about the severity of the walls and being the source of nasties. I could repaint tho.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26482755 - 02/12/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said: I grow in a basement with dirt floors, cobwebs, moldy old cardboard boxes and god know's what else. Doesn't affect my tubs at all.
Same. Technique will affect your grow 100x more than whatever might be in the air.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: antmanmax]
#26482809 - 02/12/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Again, I'm all about clean spawn. I'm just expanding on those of us, including TC's that believe on some occasions, shit gets dirty. I have been a very bad boy with moldy tubs staying inside.
People vehemently believe spore load in a grow room couldn't tam a tub out. Yet often the same people say the second you see mold get it the fuck out of your county. Well I didn't and grew the fruits on the other side of the tub. And I now have a horrible time with trich.
Has anyone tried that "Biocide mold bomb fogger"? kinda an idea, no?
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26482817 - 02/12/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Have you considered lining the walls and ceiling with vapour barrier or something? Just an idea.
Im pretty sure just wiping everything down with a mild bleach solution would clean your room fantastically though.
I always thought if I was going to try to grow in a super clean room I would run a big HEPA blowing into the room for positive pressure and that would really do it.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: JohnRainyII]
#26482831 - 02/12/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm in a multi-use space, so it needs to be somewhat normal looking.
I'm going to keep doing wash downs. Its just huge. 1100 sq feet. 12 foot ceilings. But it has 9 years of me moving tubs of mold around. I'm real good at growing trich. Been meaning to post my trich tek, but I'm so busy crying, hard to find the time.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26482837 - 02/12/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tedoro said: Again, I'm all about clean spawn. I'm just expanding on those of us, including TC's that believe on some occasions, shit gets dirty. I have been a very bad boy with moldy tubs staying inside.
People vehemently believe spore load in a grow room couldn't tam a tub out. Yet often the same people say the second you see mold get it the fuck out of your county. Well I didn't and grew the fruits on the other side of the tub. And I now have a horrible time with trich.
Has anyone tried that "Biocide mold bomb fogger"? kinda an idea, no?
When I was younger I lived in a trailer that had a spare bedroom about the size of walk in closet just wide enough for me to fit a picnic table and a computer chair in. Then it also had a tiny closet. I would keep jars and tubs stuff like that in the closet and do all sterile work in the open air. Just on the table no hood no SAB. Before every session I would sweep the floor. Wipe every square inch of the walls with bleach put the table up wipe it down. Then I would grab two cans of disinfectant spray one in each hand and spin around in the chair while spraying the disinfectant then id wait for things to settle and go to work. Long story short I somehow actually had a great success rate but now my lungs are pretty much shot. I remember getting into a argument with someone here on shroomery that said I was lying and there was no way I was doing open air sterile work and having any luck. Now I refuse to use aerosol disinfectant spray. Wasnt worth it. Also now I wouldnt open shit in the open air especially in this house.
It doesn'thave much to do with those foggers but that reminded me of those times and I thought I'd tell my story. I did some stupid shit as a kid. I still do but I also used to lmao.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: gizmo1]
#26482849 - 02/12/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mine is my old canna grow room so it’s a 16x12 space with walls and ceiling completely lined in panda plastic and an epoxy sealed concrete floor so i can bleach it literally top to bottom. I used a swiffer with a bleach soaked rag attached to wipe everything down. Room smells hospital clean every time I walk in. Also no vents so if I turn off the space heater and close the door there’s no air currents other than me moving around. No pets go down there and I usually change into clean clothes before I go in.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: D3_Myc]
#26482904 - 02/12/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Disinfectant. bad news. I used it sparingly, and I could feel it days later in my lungs. fuck that. I'm sorry to hear you hit it harder. Funny, I've done something similar before I use my SAB. I make a huge halo of water mist above my immediate work area, and repeat every 20 minutes or so. With a general belief that humid air clings to particulates and sinks to the floor. I'll use my chair next time in your honor.
I plan to soon make a temporary room with divider walls that I can wipe down. I just gotta get past my problems before I do more buildout.
D3monic.... that sounds like the way to have the room. bravo.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26482944 - 02/12/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lol I smile thinking of a younger me spinning ina damn chair apraying disinfectant... what a dumbass. Lol But yea i always thought those foggers were just disinfectant in a fogger can so I stayed away from them. I have thought about it several times though that and a good air purifier we have severe mold issues in this house I hope to get out before it damages my health severely and irreversibly.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26482948 - 02/12/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tedoro said: Again, I'm all about clean spawn. I'm just expanding on those of us, including TC's that believe on some occasions, shit gets dirty. I have been a very bad boy with moldy tubs staying inside.
People vehemently believe spore load in a grow room couldn't tam a tub out. Yet often the same people say the second you see mold get it the fuck out of your county. Well I didn't and grew the fruits on the other side of the tub. And I now have a horrible time with trich.
I've done the same thing, I went away for a couple of days and came back to a half green tub. For me, all I had to do was do mad dusting while running a hepa filter, let everything settle, then carefully mop and wipe down work surfaces. Unless you're trying to make a clean room, there's only so much you can do to get your room "clean". Now zero problems with contamination, unless I mess up with spawn.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: antmanmax]
#26483085 - 02/13/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good MERV 11 or better HEPA air filtration. I use one to create a slight positive pressure in my orcid grow room. Remember the contaminants are airborne and everywhere. Gravity is my fremini!
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tramalot]
#26483127 - 02/13/20 05:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't know what is true and what's not. I know that after a big outbreak I toss everything and clean my closet. I just grab my IPA spray bottle from the lab and drown the walls. Can't tell you if it helps or not but it makes me feel better. That said I've had tubs go green sitting next to canopies that flushes 3 times. so who knows?
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: Bph]
#26483198 - 02/13/20 07:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I take it that my lab and grow being the same room is possibly a bad idea? Only way I can really do it though unless I divide the room in two.
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Mine is all in one with no issue. We really do need to continue pushing the narrative that insufficient technique is %95 of the problem for most.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: Smartattack]
#26483307 - 02/13/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Smartattack said: Mine is all in one with no issue. We really do need to continue pushing the narrative that insufficient technique is %95 of the problem for most.
I don't disagree... I just wanted to hear about cleanliness and when situations delve into the 5% of actual contam causing nastiness.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26483449 - 02/13/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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contams settle mostly within the first couple feet of the floor , just wipe or dust your walls and wash or vacuum man. It's a hobby there is no need to go overboard, i have a lot of old ugly carpet here so when I run into problems I just switch to fruiting in bags
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: cronicr]
#26483482 - 02/13/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's operator error, not your filthy room
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: TheStallionMang]
#26483520 - 02/13/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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TheStallionMang said: It's operator error, not your filthy room
Hey man. TC disagree with you. That sureness in your note causes me pause.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: cronicr]
#26483527 - 02/13/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: contams settle mostly within the first couple feet of the floor , just wipe or dust your walls and wash or vacuum man. It's a hobby there is no need to go overboard, i have a lot of old ugly carpet here so when I run into problems I just switch to fruiting in bags
Yeah, I'm going to keep focusing on kicking contams free from walls and furniture, let it settle and mop. Sure, I don't want to go overboard (trust me, I'm lazy) But I want to succeed at having it clean enough to not be a problem.
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: tedoro]
#26483534 - 02/13/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cronicr is the only TC I see has posted here but his answers don't seem to disagree with my post. Fact of the matter is, you can clean a room but contams float around everywhere all the time anyway. You're question was about resetting a room but as you can see from other answers, people grow in musty dirty basements with success. You need to have things under control inside of your SAB but beyond that doesn't matter.
You read into it what you want though and have fun wasting your time
BTW, you really run a leaf blower in your house? You're just blowing it off the floor and all over everything
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Re: How to reset a mush grow room to contain no past contams? [Re: TheStallionMang]
#26483567 - 02/13/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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TheStallionMang said: Cronicr is the only TC I see has posted here but his answers don't seem to disagree with my post. Fact of the matter is, you can clean a room but contams float around everywhere all the time anyway. You're question was about resetting a room but as you can see from other answers, people grow in musty dirty basements with success. You need to have things under control inside of your SAB but beyond that doesn't matter.
You read into it what you want though and have fun wasting your time
BTW, you really run a leaf blower in your house? You're just blowing it off the floor and all over everything
Coir isn't invincible. My SAB talents are fine - do transfers all day without contams. Thats not what we are talking about. I could see a closed up tub sitting quietly in a dirty basement doing fine. But when we prep coir and mix in the spawn in a super dirty ass room, maybe no bueno? I had my pseudo-casing layer of coir go fucking green on day 4 of my mono. My spawn wasn't causing it. Feelin me? I got a dirty sitch. Tryin to fix it.
also, if you haven't seen Primalsoup's (TC) response a few days back in another thread...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26481228#26481228
I'm only blowing the ceiling, then I feather dust the walls carefully, then mop. All slowly, letting it settle. My ceiling are tall... huge place. Just trying to come up with a manageable system.
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