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Why are my shrooms barely potent? * 1
    #26481960 - 02/12/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hello everyone.

Over the last year, I grew shrooms two times:
  • Golden Teacher
  • Cambodian

Those two times I used the classic PF tek following RR videos (many cakes on perlite).

Fact is, they're not as potent as they probably should. After some research, there's no secret tips to make shrooms more or less potent, they're quite the same in average. (Unless you try other species as azurescens.)

With both "grows" the effect wasn't potent at all.
I'm talking about taking 5 or 6 grams to get to the level 2 or 3.Same for my friends so it's not just me...

So if it's not about the species, and it's not about the people, and that the TEK doesn't have that much influence, what could it be?

Was I just unlucky twice, or am I missing something? Would monotube change something?


Edited by ShroomShroom1 (02/12/20 12:58 PM)


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: ShroomShroom1] * 1
    #26481971 - 02/12/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

How did you dry them and how long did it take?
How did you store them and for how long?
How did you ingest? Tea?


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26481980 - 02/12/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Are you on an MAOI inhibitor? Or what ever that shit is? Did everyone think they were bunk or just you? Do you have a comparison personally to some other shrooms that you took that were amazing? Did you fast for 24 hr hours. And were you drinking alcohol?


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26482008 - 02/12/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It's always a crap shoot with a multispore inoculation. So it's very possible you got unlucky twice.

But as another poster asked about your drying method; were your mushrooms cracker dry? Like makes a crunch or cracking sound when breaking...if not you were consuming water weight as well.

I noticed you said the results where the same for some friends as well which kind of makes me think it's not SSRI's that are inhibiting your trip, unless you all take some form of an SSRI.

To have consistent potency I would start looking into cloning and agar.


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: The Influence] * 1
    #26482024 - 02/12/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

To answer the questions:
  • I dried them for a few hours with a food dehydrator, roughly 6 hours @ 160°F
  • Crushed and then put into 0.5 gram pills, and they were only stored for a few weeks (2 months max) in a dark environment.
  • Pills were eaten :smile:


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: ShroomShroom1] * 1
    #26482030 - 02/12/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

6 hours is not long enough by far. This is likely the first in a chain of events.

Improperly dried, then ground.

Dry 24 hours.

When you grind them up and put them into a baggy you're likely further diminishing your potency by increasing the surface area exposed to air, especially when improperly dried.

I don't have experience with capsules but that's where I would start. Dry for 24 hours and keep mushrooms whole in an airtight container.


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: ShroomShroom1]
    #26482031 - 02/12/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm going to say they were not dry enough. I would dry them longer until brittle. Then after some hours and they are completely cool, check them to see if they are still as brittle. I've had mushrooms I thought were dry when I took them out of the dehydrator and when I consumed them a couple days later were still pliable and so not completely dry.


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: ShroomShroom1]
    #26482045 - 02/12/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ShroomShroom1 said:
To answer the questions:
  • I dried them for a few hours with a food dehydrator, roughly 6 hours @ 160°F
  • Crushed and then put into 0.5 gram pills, and they were only stored for a few weeks (2 months max) in a dark environment.
  • Pills were eaten :smile:





There you go, you did every little thing that decreases potency a bit, and all at the same time.
They weren’t completely dry in 6 hours; you grounded them up, exposing the actives to oxidation; and you put them into capsules, which tends to diminish the trip by stretching out the come up.

Go the full 24h like p9 mentioned and store whole, preferably in mason jars. I also like tossing a silica pack into each jar.


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: The Influence]
    #26482047 - 02/12/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

As mentioned, they need to dry longer.  I run mine around 90-100 degrees overnight.  Usually just short of 24 hours.  Also psilocybin oxidation is real.  The fact that they sat in capsules for 2 months could very well be the culprit.  I would leave them whole.

When I have a bag of mushrooms, I will take a deep breath and hold it for a long time (to burn up all the oxygen) then wrap the bag around my mouth and inflate it, then blow the rest of my breath into the bag, the suck all the air out like a vacuum seal, then seal the bag.  That way, there is a limited amount of air in the bag, and most of it is CO2.  Then I wrap the baggie and place it in the fridge.  I don't typically keep mushrooms for more than a few weeks, let alone months.

If you have a vacuum sealer, depending on the sealer, they can have an add on kit that will put a special lid on 1qt wide mouth mason jars.  You put your stuff in there, place the special lid on it, then use the vacuum sealer to suck all the air out of it.  Next time I have some money to dedicate to the hobby, I am gunna be buying the kit for my vacuum sealer.


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: maniac1886] * 2
    #26482059 - 02/12/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Do not dry at low temps, this extends the drying period and decreases potency through oxidation.

Crank your heat dial on the dehydrator to max (mine is maxed at 160F) dry for 24 hours. Store whole mushroom away from UV in a mason jar.

Don't breathe into the jar, or bag (don'tstore in bags):facepalm:

You will be gtg. Just eat the mushrooms as nature intended, unless it upsets your digestive function, Make tea if that's the case.

Fuck capsules (unless you like weak ass trips)





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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26482141 - 02/12/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have also tried capsules and the trip is strange. Like. Tummy rumbling then oh shit then ohhhhg, then ok. That was fun


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26482164 - 02/12/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

5 hrs in a dehydrator is plenty unless they're fatties
Capsules are fine in a mason jar in the freezer
I've seen them go a year without loss and I've seen a little loss after 9 months
Oxygen absorber packs will extend the shelf life no matter how you store them as long as it's air tight


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26482197 - 02/12/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I can’t stand the taste of shrooms so I throw whatever I’m taking into the coffee grinder and pack them into third gram capsules.

If anything it hits me harder and fades quicker than eating them whole.


I did have a friend take some capsules home and not eat them a couple weeks and they were worthless when he did eat them.


I wish I liked the taste, I know a guy who chews them up and sucks on them then packs the ball in his cheek like dip. So gross.


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26482218 - 02/12/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't mind the taste, but that shit is gross as fuck lol.


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26482230 - 02/12/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

TheStallionMang said:
5 hrs in a dehydrator is plenty unless




This is terrible advice, dehydrate for 24 hours. Don't believe me then use the search function. This has been commented on ad nauseam.

Whoopsy daisy on the double post.

Edit:

Literally the first post when using the search function:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24781856#24781856


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26482233 - 02/12/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I think they taste better fresh, like a nice cup of lemon tea and copper, with a hint of nickle and battery acid.


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26482380 - 02/12/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't need a search function when I dry them for 5 hours, let em cool, and they're brittle AF.  I said the big ones need longer but for smaller ones, 5 hrs works fine


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Re: Why are my shrooms barely potent? [Re: ShroomShroom1]
    #26482399 - 02/12/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Are u on medications like SSRI?

If so, thats the issue. If not, perhaps u are naturally tolerant to mushrooms. If u are naturally tolerant, time to bust out the potent spores and grow PE, APE, KSSS or African Transkei.


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