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Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea?
    #26481671 - 02/12/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So I drank 18 feet worth of tea and the nausea was pretty bad. Looking to do 24 feet next, my question is if it's better to simply purge at the beginning, or if that would ruin the vibe (associate the trip in your head with vomiting)/ lose mescaline?

If not, how would I reduce nausea? This is my plan:
Brew ginger and herbs into the tea
Take OTC anti-nausea meds like dramamine (idk how effective this will be bc it's mostly for motion sickness but I couldn't find actual OTC nausea meds at the local pharmacy)
Let it sit in the fridge for a while to try and separate out the particles (mesc is water soluble)

The first time, all I did was discard the cores and brew the remaining cacti pieces in a large pot, discarding some of the particles after a day of sitting in the fridge.

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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26481693 - 02/12/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Did you peel the waxy layer off? Simmer and reduce it to a shot or 2, or make the tarballs, or get some zofran.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26481701 - 02/12/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I did not peel the skin off, maybe I should cut around the skin before boiling?

Idk how I would acquire Zofran. It’s also a serotonin antagonist which makes me think it could interfere with a mescaline trip?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 2
    #26481743 - 02/12/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So I drank 18 feet worth of tea....Looking to do 24 feet next




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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26481766 - 02/12/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ooohhh, didn't think about the ssri thing, don't do that. Try good ol' pink bismuth.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26481800 - 02/12/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Its no ssri. Zofran blocks the 5ht3 receptor, that's the serotonin receptor that causes puking and nausea.

Mescaline acts as a partial agonist on the 5ht2a receptor. A blocked 5ht3 receptor does not influence the psychedelic effects.

Lemon essential oil also blocks 5ht3. Just add a few drops (~10 drops) of this oil to a glass of water /juice, and drink before dosing. It helps a lot with nausea.
Also works with shrooms, or any other psychedelic that causes nausea.

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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26481813 - 02/12/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

YAY! always with the good knowledge!:thumbup::heart::thumbup:


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26481821 - 02/12/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Its no ssri. Zofran blocks the 5ht3 receptor, that's the serotonin receptor that causes puking and nausea.

Mescaline acts as a partial agonist on the 5ht2a receptor. A blocked 5ht3 receptor does not influence the psychedelic effects.

Lemon essential oil also blocks 5ht3. Just add a few drops (~10 drops) of this oil to a glass of water /juice, and drink before dosing. It helps a lot with nausea.
Also works with shrooms, or any other psychedelic that causes nausea.

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Good tips with the lemon essential oil and with the Zofran.

How does one go about acquiring it (Zofran) though?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26481843 - 02/12/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Any OTC antiemetics that are effective for cactus brew?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26482236 - 02/12/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So I drank 18 feet worth of tea and the nausea was pretty bad. Looking to do 24 feet next, my question is if it's better to simply purge at the beginning, or if that would ruin the vibe....







Do you mean inches, not feet?...With 18 feet of cactus reduced down into a tea, I'm pretty certain there is a good chance that would be a lethal overdose for some people.

If you need that much cactus, the material you're working with is incredibly weak.



About nausea/purging....Mescaline in general is known to cause a bit of load on the stomach/gut, even in pure/extracted form.

Like pandemoon mentioned...Mescaline binds to all sorts of serotonin receptors and there are lots of them through out the gut, which is said to be the main cause of nausea from cactus.

So using a 5-ht3 antagonist should, in theory, help alleviate the nausea with out blocking the psychedelic effects...I haven't tried this yet my self.



When I drink cactus tea....I try to not move around much for the first 2 hours or so. I drink my dose in a few gulps over 10 to 15 minutes, chased down with juice then I rinse my mouth out with water after chasing with juice lol (the taste of cactus tea has only become worse and worse for me each time I drink it lol)...I smoke some weed to help calm the stomach (cactus is the only psychedelic I'll smoke during the come up, specifically to sooth any stomach load).

I mostly just sit or lay down and kinda almost take a "weed nap" for that first two hours. Moving around, even slightly, makes the nausea and stomach load intensify for me. Not only that, but I also feel very "heavy and slow" during the come up with cactus/mescaline (like with most psychedelics).

I try to hold things down for at least an hour before I puke....If you can go an hour with out puking, that should be plenty of time for the majority of the dose to absorb into your system.

I've actually only puked from cactus tea once before, and that time also so happened to be one of the strongest experiences I've had with it. If I recall correctly, I puked around 90 minutes after drinking the tea. The nausea started for me around 40 minutes or so and kept building up in intensity, I tried to not think about it and tried holding it down as long as I could but I finally got to the point where I could tell my gut was about to purge...After I puked I felt soooooo so damn good and was tripping much more intensely that I was before I puked. I felt great after puking.

The more nausea I get during the come up, the stronger the trip is IME. I do find the nausea to be correlated to the potency of the tea IME.

The last time I drank cactus tea I had quite a heavy body load for the first 2 hours...I came very close to puking around 2 hours after drinking it but I never did, after that the nausea started to subside and by 3 hours I didn't have any sort of load or nausea. The nausea seems to "peak" for me between the 1 and 2 hour mark, after that it's mostly smooth sailing.



So I guess all I do to reduce nausea is smoking some weed and trying not to move much and relax for that first couple hours. Having a little bit of food in my stomach, like fruit, can help "soften" the load on the stomach a bit.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: openmind]
    #26482244 - 02/12/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, 18 inches. lol.

I don't think the mescaline itself causes the nausea, as the mescaline coming on actually feels like nausea relief. Regardless, I have no idea how I would acquire Zofran. Therefore, I'm looking for an effective OTC antiemetic?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26482313 - 02/12/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I saw 18 feet and was thinking pretty sure that's exceeding the LD/50 for mescaline by quite a bit, 18 inches is another matter. I would probably try ginger with it initially to see if that cleans up the nausea however when I drink cactus tea it's often coming out both ends so sitting on the toilet with a bag in my hands for a solid hour sometimes more. You could also reduce it a bit more so there's less volume but I find that with any mescaline even extracted and washed there will be nausea but cactus has a cocktail of actives that fuck around with the serotonin receptors in gut so you'll likely end up vomiting or if you keep it down shitting out the residual slime. If you want to do an extraction and not wash it to remove the other alkaloids rectal administration definitely cut down on the nausea a lot though I was also using washed mescaline acetate and hcl so I can't speak for dosing the full goo you'll get that way and nausea.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Lophophora]
    #26482421 - 02/12/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I second the vote for rectal administration.

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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26482423 - 02/12/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I think i’m going to avoid rectal administration, lol


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26482497 - 02/12/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I think i’m going to avoid rectal administration, lol



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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26483318 - 02/13/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

When I reduce the tea down a lot and make it really concentrated then its less to drink, but the flavor is much worse and it irritates my stomach more.  But when the tea is not concentrated enough then its a lot to drink and keep down.  Reducing it down to approximately 1 ounce per 1 inch of cutting by length seems to be a happy medium.  So 14 inches of cactus reduced to 14 ounces of tea... or 16 inches of cactus reduced to 16 ounces of tea.  For me this is pretty ideal in terms of having a managable amount to drink, while not irritating the stomach too bad or dealing with super concentrated disgusting flavor.  Of course cuttings vary in thickness and the 1 ounce per 1 inch of cutting may need to be tweaked if the cutting is very fat or skinny.

It helps to drink the tea slowly.  Take a drink, chase it with something that will eliminate the bad taste, and wait a few minutes before taking another drink.  If you space it out so that it takes 30 or 40 mimutes to drink all the tea then it isnt as hard on the stomach.

But when the dose is high and there is a lot of mescaline to drink then I end up puking no matter what.  Its part of the process.  Sometimes its just the price you have to pay for admission.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Grey Fox] * 1
    #26483384 - 02/13/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Tarballs, an immodium AD, and a 20 or 40mg omeprezole, little to no nausea for me.:shrug:

I refuse to believe throwing up "is part of the process", we have meds now, it's not the 1500's.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26483432 - 02/13/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If you drink strong tea without taking anti-nausea medication then it is part of the process.  Not everyone wants to take additional synthetic medication with their cactus.  To each their own.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26483448 - 02/13/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That is true.:heart:


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26483576 - 02/13/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I refuse to believe throwing up "is part of the process", we have meds now, it's not the 1500's.



My sentiment exactly. Tradition < Merit.

Just cuz the ancients purged demons and died as infants doesn't mean I should too!


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 2
    #26483584 - 02/13/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well, even pure mescaline crystal does produce nausea to a certain extend.

The only way to avoid too much nausea is to split the dose into a couple of parts and take them time delayed, not all at once.

With tea, just take a few gulps and then wait ten minutes before drinking again. Just like Grey Fox said. :thumbup:

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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26483639 - 02/13/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

This! Exactly mescaline itself is nauseating to me, still love it but I've taken mescaline I've washed with anhydrous acetone (for hcl) or cold anhydrous MEK (far acetate) 10 times and had slightly off white to pure white product and I still get a bit nauseous granted not generally enough to puke but uncomfortable for a couple hours.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26483951 - 02/13/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

As mentioned, if u wanna avoid the sick feeling, u have to do an extraction and get white crystalz. Theres no other way to avoid it :shrug:


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26483993 - 02/13/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

.  I have acquired about a pound of cactus powder, from a foreign vendor. Have not tried it so I do not know the quality. Thinking of doing the "D-limonene mescaline HCL extraction tek" ; but that would be a hassle due to my present living arrangement - so the questions Are:
Would a teaspoon or tablespoon in tea (with ginger and Lemon essential oil):
1) serve to test the potency?
2) would it be likely to be a micro dose?
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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26484017 - 02/13/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

1. No. Unless you are already familiar with the effects, I don’t believe a tablespoon of powdered cactus is enough to gauge potency.

2. Yes. Might feel some stimulation or mood changes, but nothing like a trip.

3. No. Maybe, depends how tough your tummy is.

Have you tasted it yet? 😀  I personally would skip the smaller taste test sample and go straight for a low dose attempt.

Unless it is exceptionally potent, 30g will be quite mild. But that should give you a better idea of what you are working with.

I am referencing a single kilo of t. Pachanoi from like 6 years ago. So, ymmv

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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26484041 - 02/13/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26484073 - 02/13/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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As mentioned, if u wanna avoid the sick feeling, u have to do an extraction and get white crystalz. Theres no other way to avoid it :shrug:





It is the mescaline itself that is causing most of the sick feeling/nausea...A lot of folks that have taken extracted mescaline in a capsule still report stomach load and nausea. That's just the nature of mescaline for a lot of people.

Mescaline has affinity for serotonin receptors all through out the gut...causing a load on the gut & nausea and potentially puking.





I try to do things to make the stomach load more tolerable, like having a little bit of food in my stomach and smoking weed and not moving around much & relaxing in place for the first two hours...but a stomach load and puking is something that usually happens from mescaline (at least with any substantial dose, one is likely going to puke or go through a period of stomach load).....Unless someone has a major aversion/fear of puking, I don't understand what the big deal is :shrug: . After I puke I usually feel amazing immediately after, literally as if a "load" has been taken off me, I feel light and airy after puking from things like cactus or rue/mimosa.




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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: openmind]
    #26484170 - 02/13/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Unless someone has a major aversion/fear of puking, I don't understand what the big deal is :shrug: . After I puke I usually feel amazing immediately after, literally as if a "load" has been taken off me, I feel light and airy after puking from things like cactus or rue/mimosa.




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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: openmind]
    #26484618 - 02/14/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, a little bit of food helps a lot. Kind of soaks up the harsh alkali-like cactus tea. :thumbup:

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    #26485523 - 02/14/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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    #26485536 - 02/14/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Pandemoon, sailor moon's cousin, lol.

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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26486625 - 02/15/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I still get sick from extracted mescaline...best thing I found to block the nausea is to eat a couple of datura seeds.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: redeyesmj]
    #26497362 - 02/21/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

How long do i have to hold it down before puking?

also, on an unrelated note, how long do I have to cook for to get all the mesc out?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26497365 - 02/21/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You shouldnt need to throw up ever. I never do, but havent gotten close when i was cooking cacti while on cacti mescaline.

I find that 6-8 hours of boiling does the job pretty well.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26497368 - 02/21/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

we decided we’re gonna throw up bc we don’t want to be nauseous the whole trip and people say u feel great after throwing up


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26497370 - 02/21/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The sickness goes away after an hour or so. Its not the whooooole trip.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26497372 - 02/21/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It didn’t for us last time. Took like halfway into the trip to go away. And we’re taking more this time.

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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26497378 - 02/21/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have a sorta weak stomach. I get stomach sickness pretty easily. Did u smoke cannabis during the trip at all?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26497382 - 02/21/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

During it yeah. Would you recommend getting super baked in the come up?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26497385 - 02/21/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No i recommend smoking 2hrs into the trip. So the weed doesnt help with the stomach sickness? Perhaps try adding lemon oil extract or fresh ginger to your teas to help out.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497388 - 02/21/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

weed helps but being baked is only a small part of the experience for us, we’d like a lot of the trip to be just mesc


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26497391 - 02/21/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No doubt. A purist. I like that :thumbup:

Do u add anything to your teas when u are making them? Or is it just water and cacti extract?


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26497401 - 02/21/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

water and cacti. we should add other stuff but no time this time. we gonna try throwing up... j wondering how long we gotta keep it down for


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26497408 - 02/21/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I see. Not sure on the timing. I guess you'll find out soon enough :shrug:


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497432 - 02/21/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You can add egg whites or paraffin wax to your boil before you pull it off the stove. Then remove the egg, or put the tea in the fridge till the wax cools and gets hard, then remove it.

They will both remove some of the tannins that cause some of the discomfort.

This can be done with ayahuasca, cactus tea, poppy tea, and most brews of plant matter. It also removes some of the taste of said brew.


As for boil time i go for at least 12 hours, but everyone has different views on this. I don't mind boiling a little longer to get all the goodies i can.


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    #26497748 - 02/21/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting

will adding the things into the mix before tripping work, or does it have to be added now? (like lemon essential oil)


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26497832 - 02/21/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You can add the lemon essential oil now. Not sure on the egg whites/paraffin wax (just heard about it here) :shrug:


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497948 - 02/22/20 03:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If you're just using water and cactus I've found adding a bit of vinegar or citric acid can help, salts are easier on the stomach.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Lophophora] * 2
    #26497949 - 02/22/20 03:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

96 inches of cacti in one mason jar.

Feels pretty awesome.


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26498556 - 02/22/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Damn thats a lot of cacti!!

If thats a half gallon mason jar, thats 64oz. So about 1.5inches of cacti per 1 fluid ounce. Very nice ratio!


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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26498664 - 02/22/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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How long do i have to hold it down before puking?

also, on an unrelated note, how long do I have to cook for to get all the mesc out?





I try to hold it down for at least an hour or two. Keeping it down for an hour should be long enough for most of the alkaloids to absorb into your system.

I never really "force" puking though, the one time I did puke from cactus it came up all by itself and at that point I could not hold it down any longer (around 90 minutes after dosing)...For me, the stomach load and nausea usually fades away by around 3 hours after consumption. The one time I puked, all nausea and stomach load and "load" on my being in general was completely gone immediately after. I felt like a million bucks after.



When brewing....I usually brew for 3 to 4 hours before I start filter and start reducing in a separate pot.

4 hours should be plenty...And I never really "cook" the cactus or let it boil, I keep it right at or below a simmer. Sometimes I'll do a brew for a few hours and let it soak over night before filtering and reducing it the next day....Another method is using a crock pot, and just letting it brew at a relatively mild heat for a day or so before filtering and reducing it down.

One time I went from cutting up my cactus, to brewing, to drinking the tea, in just 3 hours....and it was the 2nd most potent cup of cactus tea I've ever had (that was actually the one and only time I puked from cacti). So I find that a long brew session isn't necessary, a few hours should do it, but a long brew doesn't hurt either....I brewed for maybe only 1.5 to 2 hours that time and it still turned out potent, and that was with only 18 inches of the "PC" (which is said to be weak, but it can be plenty potent IME with it).






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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: openmind]
    #26498674 - 02/22/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You can add egg whites or paraffin wax to your boil before you pull it off the stove. Then remove the egg, or put the tea in the fridge till the wax cools and gets hard, then remove it.

They will both remove some of the tannins that cause some of the discomfort.

This can be done with ayahuasca, cactus tea, poppy tea, and most brews of plant matter. It also removes some of the taste of said brew.


As for boil time i go for at least 12 hours, but everyone has different views on this. I don't mind boiling a little longer to get all the goodies i can.





Probably won't hurt, but from what I understand there isn't much tannins at all in cactus.

Using an egg-white wash is mostly for materials that are super high in tannins, like bark/woody teas (like acacia & mimosa tea). Bark/wood is super high in tannins, you can feel the tannins on the tongue when taking just a sip of acacia or mimosa tea, tannins have a distinct feel on the tongue/mouth (kinda dry, astringent, & prickly) and I don't get any of it from cactus.

The stomach load and nausea from cactus is not caused by tannins...it is being caused mostly by the mescaline itself....Even extracted mescaline will cause a stomach load, that's just the nature of mescaline for some folks, it has high affinity for serotonin receptors all through out the gut.






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You can add the lemon essential oil now.






It probably doesn't make too big of a difference...

....but if using LEO as an anti-emetic, I'd prefer to dose the LEO separately and a little while prior to consuming the tea.






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96 inches of cacti in one mason jar.

Feels pretty awesome.






Nice....

That's about the same amount of cactus I did a brew on last year, and about the same amount of tea I ended with (is that a quart size jar?)...I got about 8 feet of thick cactus reduced down to about 3/4 of a quart jar, my tea was just a bit darker/a bit more brown in color.





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Re: Tips for reducing nausea from cactus tea? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26498758 - 02/22/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Damn thats a lot of cacti!!

If thats a half gallon mason jar, thats 64oz. So about 1.5inches of cacti per 1 fluid ounce. Very nice ratio!



It’s only a quart :laugh:

It looks much prettier than 4 cacti in a jar



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