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Muda Bottles FTW! * 3
    #26479402 - 02/10/20 11:09 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Some Muda bottle tek-inspired bottles almost ready for harvest:



These are pint-size zip-lock pp5 bottles, inoculated with a PF Classic clone LC. For 8 pint jars, the recipe (not any specific tek -my own mix):

  • 2 quarts straw
  • 2 quarts black kow manure compost
  • 1/4 cup gypsum
  • 1/2 cup dried spent coffee grounds
  • 1/4 cup oat bran
  • 1/4 cup uncooked rice


All ingredients were mixed, hydrated to field capacity, and PC'd at 15 psi for 2 hours. After full colonization, these were cased with pasteurized Jiffy mix and fruited with the lids removed in a modified SGFC with a miniature ultrasonic humidifier.


Edited by Durgin (02/10/20 11:18 PM)


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Durgin]
    #26479414 - 02/10/20 11:25 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Also note that these are first flush fruits and growing as large or larger than the fruits I got from a standard shoebox spawned 1:2 with colonized wheat and CVG using the same clone (which gave 18g dried from one quart of spawn and another 14g from the second flush). Haven't harvested yet, but from the looks of it this is a very solid biological efficiency given the recipe.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Durgin]
    #26479429 - 02/10/20 11:50 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Nice grow dude:cool:


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Ryzo]
    #26479436 - 02/11/20 12:07 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Thanks. Happy with the efficiency (even with some of the harvested fruits not yet at full size, it produced 120g wet on the equivalent of half a shoebox), but mostly just pleased about the quality of the flush No sidepins, almost no aborts, no mutants, no visible contams. I'm not going for quantity (I've flushed 10x more weight down the toilet than I've ever actually used), just quality, and these ones are really nice looking fruits.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Durgin]
    #26479606 - 02/11/20 06:07 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Good shit man, dont see many people on here working with PF classic. How do you like it? Does the potency compare to other cubes?


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26479863 - 02/11/20 09:50 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

I'm a fan. Most of my growing experience is with either this, b+, or GT. Not much difference in either growing patterns or potency IME. If anything, PFC is a bit more sparse in terms of pinsets, but I actually prefer that - that way it's less likely you get a first flush canopy of 1.5" fruits that are a pain in the ass to harvest and dry. I much prefer a smaller number of 3-5" fruits, even if yields are a little less.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Durgin]
    #26480924 - 02/11/20 07:32 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Congratulations and nice flush.  Ive never been a fan of bottle grows not even back in 1980 when everyone was growing them that way.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: eatyualive]
    #26480996 - 02/11/20 08:16 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

NIce flush.. 

  Eat what are you pushing 65 now days? I remember sharing grows with you when I was 23ish...


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: eatyualive]
    #26481104 - 02/11/20 09:19 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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eatyualive said:
Congratulations and nice flush.  Ive never been a fan of bottle grows not even back in 1980 when everyone was growing them that way.




I’m just curious eatualive, how come?

Lots of Japanese factories use the bottle method till today

What do you think about them?


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Ryzo]
    #26481145 - 02/11/20 09:45 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

:congrats::congrats::congrats:


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Nichrome]
    #26481317 - 02/12/20 01:36 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

I'm realy looking forward for some time to work with plastic containers and to fruit in them, i remember I first saw this idea when some guy made a Tek with Grass seeds, fermenting them, colonising and fruiting in plasti containers... Few years ago when I was cultivating, I would usually crumble my BRF cakes into small plastic container with coir, coffee and gypsum and fruit them in SGFC... had nice quality flushes that way


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: LeteciMedvedic]
    #26481361 - 02/12/20 02:43 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Looking great! Have you tried using the quart ziploc pp5 containers at all? I have started some quarts and I'm considering adding some pints to the mix. Not sure how the performance will compare.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #26481530 - 02/12/20 07:43 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Yeah I’m super old.
Nothing against it if it works for you. But dealing with that many extra pp5s storage for me is the killer. In addition, you still have to fruit them in a tub. So for me it’s just easier putting a bulk sub in the tub. Less storage space used on the shelf from jars/pp5s. I’d likely use em if I were growing enoki. But for cubes, tubs work well.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: eatyualive]
    #26482180 - 02/12/20 03:21 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

I can see that

Thanks for reply, you ain’t old man, you just a legend


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #26482206 - 02/12/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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Looking great! Have you tried using the quart ziploc pp5 containers at all? I have started some quarts and I'm considering adding some pints to the mix. Not sure how the performance will compare.




I've also got some pints, but I find that they often stall out before fully colonizing. It's possible that a less-dense sub (perhaps with more LC) may work better, but if I use them at all these days, it's mainly just to fill them halfway and then fruit in vitro. I'll also sometimes fill up a bottle 1/4 of the way with grain, inoculate that with agar, then spawn 1:1 or 1:2 with coir and fruit it right in the same bottle. At that point it's like a miniaturized version of a shoebox grow.

And eat, agree with you 100% on efficiency grounds. I just don't need that much, and using bottles for small grows gives me a chance to try out a wider variety of genetics and techniques than if I committed a full shoebox or mono to every grow. It definitely isn't the way to grow bulk, and it takes more time to manage them all, but when it's just a hobby then spending time on it is kind of the point. And if I end up with a culture I really like, then I've always got plenty of shoeboxes I can spawn to - as of now, though, I don't even have anyone to give the stuff away to, so growing in any kind of quantity is a waste.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Durgin]
    #26482481 - 02/12/20 06:40 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

I’m not as old as many think because I started young. Young at heart. Thanks. I grew out of bottles once. It’s all about doing what fun. I even do pf grows from time to time. I even side fruited a month ago..:lol:


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: eatyualive]
    #26482540 - 02/12/20 07:06 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

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Yeah I’m super old.
Nothing against it if it works for you. But dealing with that many extra pp5s storage for me is the killer. In addition, you still have to fruit them in a tub. So for me it’s just easier putting a bulk sub in the tub. Less storage space used on the shelf from jars/pp5s. I’d likely use em if I were growing enoki. But for cubes, tubs work well.



Ok now I feel like a dick. Age is relative anyway.. we all love your grows and keep blazing the path forward for all the younglings my


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: LeteciMedvedic]
    #26482640 - 02/12/20 07:58 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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i remember I first saw this idea when some guy made a Tek with Grass seeds, fermenting them, colonising and fruiting in plasti containers...




That would have been Violet's POD and In-vitro V-Tek.


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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: bongoman]
    #26482705 - 02/12/20 08:20 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Muda Bottles FTW! [Re: Durgin]
    #26483243 - 02/13/20 08:10 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

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I've also got some pints, but I find that they often stall out before fully colonizing. It's possible that a less-dense sub (perhaps with more LC) may work better, but if I use them at all these days, it's mainly just to fill them halfway and then fruit in vitro. I'll also sometimes fill up a bottle 1/4 of the way with grain, inoculate that with agar, then spawn 1:1 or 1:2 with coir and fruit it right in the same bottle. At that point it's like a miniaturized version of a shoebox grow.





Ah, interesting! That's been my experience so far as well I've got quarts going at the moment but they've stalled a bit. It's been two months and they're still not fully colonized. That was partly my fault for not shaking after inoculation, not using enough LC and putting the lid on too tight, but I'm hoping I can get them to finish up. I just started some more quarts and hope I get better results. Maybe it's time to try pints!


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