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Cactus recommendations?
    #26477074 - 02/09/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Having had a really great mescaline experience, I went online to buy some more bridgesii cuttings. However, it appears that bridgesii sales have stopped due to overharvesting. Are there any other cacti that are consistent with dosage?


edit: after looking around a ton I found a website still selling 3 middle cuts and I grabbed them immediately. that will only allow for one more trip however and growing takes too long.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26477134 - 02/09/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Many Peruvian and Ecuadorian pachanoi are very potent.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: sacramentum]
    #26477222 - 02/09/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Buy some seeds and grow them that way, takes longer but you control everything including being able to stress them to increase alkaloids. If you're not in the states and willing to wait a couple decades grow some peyote, of course I don't think I could actually eat my peyotes they're so pretty and the oldest is a decade old now and I love it.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26477231 - 02/09/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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...and growing takes too long.




No it really doesn't. But if you wanna buy cactus every time you feel like tripping then do as you please.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Lophophora]
    #26477235 - 02/09/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I say one post up here of how found peyote for sale on a electronic bay bidding site. Funny the sellers put the name of cacti’s down but with slight error to spelling.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #26477247 - 02/09/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Peyote is legal in my country, I didn't get my seeds off ebay that's for certain and the one in the picture I bought a couple years ago and swore to the guy I bought it from that I would only ever eat cuttings not the mother cactus.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26477304 - 02/09/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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...and growing takes too long.




No it really doesn't. But if you wanna buy cactus every time you feel like tripping then do as you please.



I'll take 1 foot per year once I actually have my own house, for now it's not really that appealing or sensical. I have the money to buy cacti.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26477329 - 02/09/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

~$30 a trip is very nonsensical.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26477337 - 02/09/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe it’s nonsensical for you but I would rather buy cacti than grow them. There’s no right answer to what one should do, it’s purely personal preference. I you prefer growing that’s great for you. I don’t.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26477340 - 02/09/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

How often are you planning on dosing?


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26477344 - 02/09/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

As often as I feel like, have the time, and have the cactus to do so


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26477348 - 02/09/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That’s like the equivalent of MS in the cacti world.  You’ll never ‘know’ your cacti..


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Amanita86] * 2
    #26477370 - 02/09/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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As often as I feel like, have the time, and have the cactus to do so




Well you must have a damn good part time job to be able to go to school, pay rent, pay for food, and splurge on drugs. Good for you man.
best to not let your parents find out what you're actually spending the money they send you on...

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That’s like the equivalent of MS in the cacti world.  You’ll never ‘know’ your cacti..




Another reason to grow. If you find a particularly potent one, it is not a guarantee you can obtain another cut.

As for your question KJ, bridgesii is your best bet for consistency, availability, and price.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: BabylonRuleDem] * 1
    #26477571 - 02/09/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Its much more gratifying when you grow your own.  You get to have a much more intimate relationship with the plant.

We live in a world of instant gratification.  Try waiting for something... it becomes much more meaningful. 


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26477591 - 02/09/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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~$30 a trip is very nonsensical.





Not really. Easily spend thirty dollars out on self for dinner. Value is in eye of beholder. Hold your own


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26477599 - 02/09/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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As for your question KJ, bridgesii is your best bet for consistency, availability, and price.



I started this thread because there's 0 availability. It's sold out everywhere I could look from overharvesting


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26477658 - 02/09/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Good reason to start a garden.  I only saw one place that’s holding back because they’re too small but there’s cuttings available elsewhere.  The price is pretty steep though.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #26477659 - 02/09/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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BabylonRuleDem said:[\quote]
As for your question KJ, bridgesii is your best bet for consistency, availability, and price.



I started this thread because there's 0 availability. It's sold out everywhere I could look from overharvesting




Its the middle of winter. More will be available during the growing season.
Or you know grow your own, become self sufficient.

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~$30 a trip is very nonsensical.





Not really. Easily spend thirty dollars out on self for dinner. Value is in eye of beholder. Hold your own




Huh?... Missed the point you did.

Could also make that same $30 dollar meal at home for $10...

If you wanna spend more money on things that can be gotten much cheaper, cool have fun.

A little patience and effort can go a long way, but you know "a fool and his money are soon parted"


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26477660 - 02/09/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm no fool because I value my time more than $30 for however long growing a foot would take (1 year according to my tentative research)

This is such a stupid discussion. Great for you if you want to grow. I don't

FYI, a buddy and I have been in the process of growing shrooms for a little while. Those seem way more worth it, a few spores spawn a ton of mushrooms and it doesn't take forever.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26477661 - 02/09/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You know what you should do?  I’m kicking myself because I’ve been meaning to do this forever but still haven’t.  Buy a sack of seeds and learn how to germinate them.  Grow a tub = brand new genetics + so many cacti you have to give them away to have space..  You can grow them for up to 18 months under flourescents.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26477663 - 02/09/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Guys, I have complete respect for anyone who wants to grow cacti. That's not what I want to do right now, I'll only be where I am for a couple more months and for that and many other reasons it's just not something I feel is worth my time.

Thank you for trying to help but I'm just not interested at the moment.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26477666 - 02/09/20 09:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It looks like what’s available from a quick search is going to run you about $75 per 12” and they aren’t ones you want to eat.  Other than that maybe as the year goes on some will pop up for sale.  There’s got to be something out there big enough to be available.  Any sponsors have them?


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26477677 - 02/09/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Might as well throw some seed down. 

In the meantime.,,


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #26477680 - 02/09/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

How about green flesh powder? I have gotten bit of that. Unfortunately, when extracted the mescaline the content low but for price of all and little time, wasn’t bad venture.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26477682 - 02/09/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm no fool because I value my time more than $30 for however long growing a foot would take (1 year according to my tentative research)

This is such a stupid discussion. Great for you if you want to grow. I don't





I would bet you will see it differently when you do decide to grow. But i get it, you dont wanna grow, cool have fun.


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FYI, a buddy and I have been in the process of growing shrooms for a little while. Those seem way more worth it, a few spores spawn a ton of mushrooms and it doesn't take forever.




Good job! Nothing like being the provider of your own psychoactive substances.

They are definitely more worth it in terms of speed and bang for buck. Take spore prints and all you ever need to buy is the growing medium.

As for cacti, if money is no object, search a little harder. There is bridgesii available.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26477690 - 02/09/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

At the risk of becoming naggy, the amount of time you’ll be spending is what it takes to fill a bucket, and water it a few times a year.  Outside of that the cactus does all the work so...it’s not like having a puppy..


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26477811 - 02/09/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Better yet. Go drive through parts of California. You will find cactus growing over rooftops. Those people will sale there cactus for hardly anything. I had friend fill bed of truck full for hundred bucks or something and then he went back for more. We spent all day de spine ing those for a Portland area ayahuasquero.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #26478460 - 02/10/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just like others have mentioned already, T.pachanoi and T.peruvianus are worth ingesting.

But they are hit or miss. Not as consistent in potency as T.bridgesii.

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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26480161 - 02/11/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Is there any way to test mescaline percentage by weight given a small piece of the cactus?


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26480254 - 02/11/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The bitterer the taste of the dark green flesh the more potent the plant usually is. :shrug:

It's not scientifically proven, but that's my experience so far. The bitterest cacti were the strongest.
(Close to 25 cactus trips, about 10 cacti eaten raw.)

The strongest one was so bitter, I could hardly get 8 inches down. I ate only the darkest green flesh.
It was a thin and lightweight cutting, yet those little 8 inches blew my mind completly. Like 250+ mics of lsd, or 4 to 5 grams of potent cubes.
The cutting laied on it's side wrapped in a towel for a full year and had grown roots close to an inch all over it's side. :tongue:

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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26483484 - 02/13/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I've always aspired to have a garden with cacti and be able to produce back and not just consume. I do believe there is importance in that overall virtue, but I completely agree with OP Everybody is NOT cut out to care for entheogenic plants and life forms. Some people really do want to expand their mind but need to expand their physical living situation first. I hate when people judge or won't let up about those types of things. Hell I remember that if you didnt simmer your own rye berries your not a real grower and are impatient and wasteful person ect. There's always been some real moral ORAL shitjobs on her when it comes to some subjects discussed here. Do what best suites your situation, your searching for cacti at a rough time of year, the price has gone high on them because they "know" and also ebay was a good hedge against super high price gounging I found good deals on their and were legit specimens, but those days are done. With them of of Ebay private sellers can get whatever they want. Theres not like this major up tick of people willing to slurp the cactus juice even though I imagine numbers have increased. I think its more of a vice goods incease when popularity on it ticked up a hair paired with it being removed from ebay. The same principals have moved the price on a box of ammo.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Grungeman17]
    #26484468 - 02/13/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I've always aspired to have a garden with cacti and be able to produce back and not just consume. I do believe there is importance in that overall virtue, but I completely agree with OP Everybody is NOT cut out to care for entheogenic plants and life forms. Some people really do want to expand their mind but need to expand their physical living situation first. I hate when people judge or won't let up about those types of things. Hell I remember that if you didnt simmer your own rye berries your not a real grower and are impatient and wasteful person ect. There's always been some real moral ORAL shitjobs on her when it comes to some subjects discussed here. Do what best suites your situation, your searching for cacti at a rough time of year, the price has gone high on them because they "know" and also ebay was a good hedge against super high price gounging I found good deals on their and were legit specimens, but those days are done. With them of of Ebay private sellers can get whatever they want. Theres not like this major up tick of people willing to slurp the cactus juice even though I imagine numbers have increased. I think its more of a vice goods incease when popularity on it ticked up a hair paired with it being removed from ebay. The same principals have moved the price on a box of ammo.




Hmmm... funny that statement comes from someone who is willing to grow mushrooms to sell, to net a $1000 profit, but not willing to grow his own cacti...

not to mention the other flaws in that statement...The number of kids "trying to slurp cactus juice" has increased drastically (due not in any small part to places like reddit, look what reddit did to the clear net RC market), thus the price gouging and subsequent eBay crack down on trichocereus sales. Sales have not stopped. Look harder, it has only become harder for kids who search google for 5 mins to find them, which is good.

Cacti are literally the easiest plant life to care for. Find a good source and grow your own.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: BabylonRuleDem] * 1
    #26484969 - 02/14/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Get out of here with your fucking self rightous bullshit, i've been here long enough to see everyone change their name and go drag and I don't judge anyone for shit. Accept a sherriff. Who goes around spread peoples bussiness? Cops...You are the goddamn epitome of the internet...People can do Whatever the fuck they want. That is the point. Anything your saying is to engage me. I don't give a shit about your moral values son... Your mom should have put on full metal jacket for you at more applicable age... There could be a goddamn multitude of reasons one has the resources ect. To grow one thing and not the other. And you contradicted what I even said. I NEVER said ANYTHING about not wanting to grow cactus. Or anything along those lines. Your plain and simple looking to flame and spread my bussiness. Shut your fucking pie hole son. You don't go around here talking about other peoples activities. That shit is at minimum not TOLERATED by me. Go hide yourself amoungst dick shaped crystals.


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Grungeman17]
    #26485012 - 02/14/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Anything your saying is to engage me.




:rofl2: I barely had to try, thanks for the lolz billy badass :flexin: 

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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26485281 - 02/14/20 11:36 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hm. You kinda do sound kinda like a cop.....
“Hey everybody, this guy is a drug dealer!”

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LoL 😂

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Hmmm... funny that statement comes from someone who is willing to grow mushrooms to sell, to net a $1000 profit, but not willing to grow cacti.




Some people just don’t find their own hypocrisy that funny. He prob just didn’t connect things together like that, and got all triggered instead. Easy to do online. It is kinda trollish moves using a separate post as a counter point in this conversation. Seems more like something for private messages. But, then you might be tempted to post those too if he says more fun stuff. 😝

Anyway, it is Valentine’s Day. So, I think you guys should call it a misunderstanding, hug and kiss and make up. 😍


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26486195 - 02/14/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just to get back on topic, since people are suggesting growing your own, where is a good place to start? I live in New York City, LOL not an arid desert. I’m considering trying to grow mushrooms and San Pedro cacti. However I have literally zero knowledge as to where to start. For mushrooms, this form seems like an amazing resource, and I’m starting to go through some of the forum threads about growing mushrooms at home.

I am willing to grow my own, especially since the cactus, if I’m correct and I may not be, seems like it’s so much easier to maintain and grow than shrooms? I assume that in a temperate climate like it we have in the Big Apple, that growing should take place indoors?

Anyway, since I can’t seem to find any cactus sub forums on the site, on the topic of this thread, can someone point me in the right direction for a starting point to grow my own cactus? And it looks like you guys are also talking about different cacti other than San Pedro, is that correct?

Thanks in advance, everyone! :mushroom2:


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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26486645 - 02/15/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

SanPedro is a term for active columnar cacti. Those are still legal to buy in the US. at least living plants /cuttings.

Trichocereus pachanoi is the most common and famous one. Many other varieties of the Trichocereus family do also contain mescaline.
T.peruvianus, T.bridgesii, T.scopulicola, those are the ones that are worth ingesting.
T.bridgesii is the most consistent in mescaline content. Pachanoi and peruvianus can be hit or miss, some are really weak, others are pretty strong.

Check the ethnobotanical garden subforum. There is a Trichocereus growers thread, as well as infos about getting started with cacti.

Growing from seed takes years till they are worth harvesting.
But you can buy living cuttings. Either consume them, or plant them in a pot, and they will sprout new pups within a few months.
These pups are like new branches and will grow into full colums worth harvesting within two to three years.

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Re: Cactus recommendations? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26487420 - 02/15/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the detailed answer, Pandemoon!

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Pandemoon said:
SanPedro is a term for active columnar cacti. Those are still legal to buy in the US. at least living plants /cuttings.




Cool, I didn't know about the other term.

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Pandemoon said:
Trichocereus pachanoi is the most common and famous one. Many other varieties of the Trichocereus family do also contain mescaline.
T.peruvianus, T.bridgesii, T.scopulicola, those are the ones that are worth ingesting.
T.bridgesii is the most consistent in mescaline content. Pachanoi and peruvianus can be hit or miss, some are really weak, others are pretty strong.

Check the ethnobotanical garden subforum. There is a Trichocereus growers thread, as well as infos about getting started with cacti.




I will do that between today and tomorrow. I just saw the dedicated Cactus thread has a whopping 85 pages. Obviously, I have some catching up to do.

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Pandemoon said:
Growing from seed takes years till they are worth harvesting.
But you can buy living cuttings. Either consume them, or plant them in a pot, and they will sprout new pups within a few months.
These pups are like new branches and will grow into full colums worth harvesting within two to three years.

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I would like to find a sort of compromise between the two extremes of either buying the clippings just to eat and planting for future harvest, which is a long game strategy. Maybe it would be best to buy a combination of branches, for the super long run and living cuttings for the regular long run. Does it sound reasonable to plant seeds now, for the more distant future, while planting cuttings for more of a couple of years in the future?

I think I read somewhere that consuming cuttings means you are basically paying $35.00 or so per trip? Yikes! But I assume if I plant the cuttings, then wait the few months, maybe until they all sprout pups? Then if I consume some of the original cuttings, it isn't a total waste of money, since they have already birthed pups?

Or is this just a dumb way to try and have my cake and eat it, too?

Thanks again, brother!


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