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Is this a contamination, I cant tell.
#26475434 - 02/08/20 12:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Title pretty much says it all. I have a terrible sense of smell and every tub I have ever done has smelled the same to me unless there's a terrible contamination. I can't determine whether this is a contamination or if everything looks fine.
Here's a few pics.
The spot in question is specifically pictured here (towards the left of the image):

This is the whole tub:

I apologize if the lighting is to dark to tell. I can try getting a better pic if needed. I'm concerned because I have never seen a tub with myc that looks like this. Although I made 4 mini monos at the same time and 3 out of 4 dont look this way, this is the only one. I would think since they were all made at the same time then they would likely all have the same contamination but 2 of them were "birthed" or put into the fruiting stage 4 days prior to the other 2. This one is one of the tubs I waited an extra 4 days to put into fruiting. My reason for doing that was I thought they were all ready but wanted to take precautions in case they weren't so I put 2 in fruiting and kept 2 colonizing in case they weren't ready just yet. That way at least 2 of them would work properly.
I would think I have a decent knowledge base but I just dont trust my sense of smell and would prefer the advice of others in the field. Maybe someone can see something I don't. Personally I feel like its something to do with it being a bit longer in the colonizing and since I see fruits, I would think its fine.
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: EntheoGod]
#26475448 - 02/08/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Might have some pseudo infection going on.
Consolidation is fine, even for weeks, and the surface conditions look good.
The deformed shrooms and little blackish spots on some of the stems are bacteria.
They’ll still be fine to eat though.
In that first pic near the bottom left corner there’s a big fat pin where you can see the black spots clearly.
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Edited by A.k.a (02/08/20 01:01 PM)
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: A.k.a]
#26475458 - 02/08/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Might have some pseudo infection going on.
Consolidation is fine, even for weeks, and the surface conditions look good.
The deformed shrooms and little blackish spots on some of the stems are bacteria.
They’ll still be fine to eat though.
In that first pic near the bottom left corner there’s a big fat pin where you can see the black spots clearly.
Forgive me if I am wrong but I am fairly certain the black spots occur on aborts, and mutants arent necessarily a sign of contamination or bacteria. I appreciate the advice and will definitely consider that. I feel like I have seen the black stripe on pins that abort. I definitely appreciate the input! I've isolated the tub regardless to see whether anything progresses and turns bacterial. I just cant be certain as of right now. Any more input is greatly appreciated. I hope I dont come off as a person who's only gonna accept the answer that "everything looks great" because I most certainly take all advice into consideration. Thing is I feel like the signs you mention aren't necessarily signs of a contam. You know what I mean?
EDIT: Also the black specks could just be some of the substrate that's gotten on the stem. I do see the stripe on the big pin you mentioned but I dont THINK thats a contamination sign. Please enlighten me if you know something I don't though. Everyone you meet knows something you dont and id like to understand.
My biggest concern is the appearance of the myc. Just looks a bit off to me.
Edited by EntheoGod (02/08/20 01:07 PM)
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: A.k.a]
#26475462 - 02/08/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dont see a contam but it looks pretty wet I would give it more fae. Maybe even leave the lid off for awhile until some water droplets dry up
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: herbnmyco]
#26475471 - 02/08/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was thinking it looked a bit too wet as well after taking a look at these pictures. I know that too wet isnt always a good thing . Ill remove a bit of the polyfil. This tub is actually one with only one hole on each side so that definitely contributes to the wetness. It's winter where I live and i generally experience way too dry substrate during the season, so i tend to use tubs with one hole on each side during the winters to maintain proper humidity.
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: EntheoGod]
#26475492 - 02/08/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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No not the stripe the black speckled parts, could be sub but paired with the mutations idk.
Aborts the cap goes black.
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: EntheoGod]
#26475500 - 02/08/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah in my experience too wet plus not enough fae equals weird mutated fruits like in your pics. Hopefully that's it
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: A.k.a]
#26475503 - 02/08/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Might have some pseudo infection going on.
Consolidation is fine, even for weeks, and the surface conditions look good.
The deformed shrooms and little blackish spots on some of the stems are bacteria.
They’ll still be fine to eat though.
In that first pic near the bottom left corner there’s a big fat pin where you can see the black spots clearly.
This. It’s pretty easy to tell bacterial infection from regular mutation. I guess if you’re growing a PE-ish variety it can happen, but those don’t look like PE fruit🤷🏻♂️
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: A.k.a]
#26475515 - 02/08/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: No not the stripe the black speckled parts, could be sub but paired with the mutations idk.
Aborts the cap goes black.
I understand the aborts develop black caps and stop growing but I have seen the black stripes appear on at least one or two mushies out of every batch I have had, then the pin that has the black stripe stops growing. I'm not saying its not a sign absolutely that its contaminated but I would like more than just that to be the conclusive evidence that its contaminated. As a matter of fact, I just picked 2 tubs worth of mushies and several had those on it and went on to flush two more times with no problem or contamination showing up.
The pins that are on the substrate dont even seem to mind the myc that is in question here, this is why I am so hesitant to think the black specks or stripe is a sign of the contamination. Usually when I have had a contam in the past, the mushroom will just outright die and begin to either rot or look waterlogged when its on a contam. These pins have been growing and steadily getting larger over the past 2 days without any more progression from the myc that is in question. Ive been at this for over 5 years now and have seen pins look this way without a single contam being shown but tbh never have I seen myc that looks so different and still have the pins grow like nothing is the matter. Its a tad confusing to me. Thanks again for your input!
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: feldman114]
#26475520 - 02/08/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said:
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A.k.a said: Might have some pseudo infection going on.
Consolidation is fine, even for weeks, and the surface conditions look good.
The deformed shrooms and little blackish spots on some of the stems are bacteria.
They’ll still be fine to eat though.
In that first pic near the bottom left corner there’s a big fat pin where you can see the black spots clearly.
This. It’s pretty easy to tell bacterial infection from regular mutation. I guess if you’re growing a PE-ish variety it can happen, but those don’t look like PE fruit🤷🏻♂️
Yea, these are not PE fruits. I believe they are Samui, but either way here is the information that I seen that tells me aborts and mutants arent signs of a contamination. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23130868
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: A.k.a]
#26475540 - 02/08/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: No not the stripe the black speckled parts, could be sub but paired with the mutations idk.
Aborts the cap goes black.
BTW, I literally just wiped the black specks off. Those specks are definitely substrate that came up with the pin while it was growing. If the specks are the signs that makes you think its contaminated, you're wrong. With absolutely all due respect. I'm willing to be wrong, but when I can tell for certain the sign you are saying is a sign of contamination clearly isnt then I respectfully say you're wrong.
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: EntheoGod]
#26475561 - 02/08/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im going to give it another day to see how this progresses then if things get worse, ill harvest whats on the tub and toss the sub.
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: EntheoGod]
#26475563 - 02/08/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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why toss a bacterial tub?
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: feldman114]
#26475572 - 02/08/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: why toss a bacterial tub?
Just so I dont risk literally anything. I know you can still get fruits out of it and all that good stuff so maybe I will just keep it isolated and see how it goes. As long as nothing seriously terrible pops up.
EDIT: I have had some serious contams in the past so anything that isnt JUST cubensis myc or what im intending to be there, that sketches me out. I think I read somewhere that bacterial contaminations aren't spread through the air so it very well could be fine in the same space as the healthy tubs but its just one less thought to worry about. Perhaps the bacteria will cause the myc to weaken and allow molds to take hold and then thats when itll get bad. So id rather have it away from anything healthy in case that happens.
Really rather not risk it at all though tbh.
Edited by EntheoGod (02/08/20 02:09 PM)
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: EntheoGod]
#26475577 - 02/08/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It’s not more of a risk than a clean tub until mold shows up. I think keeping it around, isolated or not, would be a good call. I’ve had bacterial tubs go 4-5 flushes no problem. It’s just the yields that suffer.
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: feldman114]
#26475585 - 02/08/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for that info. I believe ill keep it and see what happens. I do notice in the pics I posted, a bit of yellowing in some small spots of the myc, but that doesnt absolutely mean a contam. Bacteria is likely the culprit here. I believe the other tub that was put in fruiting at the same time will have the same issue so ill place those two in a different section of the room. If a mold develops then out the sub goes.
Again, thanks to everyone for the info and if anyone has anything else to say, im all ears!
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: EntheoGod]
#26475740 - 02/08/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just wait and see. Worst case scenario it gets all nasty. Most likely they will be fine. IMO it needs more airflow and there are definitely other organisms in there, but to what level?...
Some crazy people hunt out mutants on purpose..... I have no Idea as to why hahahaha.
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: Nichrome]
#26475814 - 02/08/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think that I see some pinkish gray patches in the corners of the box. It may be my eyesight, the lighting, or an Aspergillus colony. I had some of that in one of my grows.
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: oldest hippie]
#26476006 - 02/08/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think since you have growth i wouldnt worry about contams at this point lol
they are still good to eat. and i dont see anything from the pics
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: numnum59]
#26476059 - 02/08/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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numnum59 said: i think since you have growth i wouldnt worry about contams at this point lol
they are still good to eat. and i dont see anything from the pics
Yeaaap thats the plan. ima let them go until i see something terrible or they flush a couple times maybe 3 but i generally only go for 2 flushes because after that i tend to see diminishing returns and my time would be better spent filling the tub back up with a new sub. Thanks!
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Re: Is this a contamination, I cant tell. [Re: EntheoGod]
#26476332 - 02/09/20 01:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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EntheoGod said:
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numnum59 said: i think since you have growth i wouldnt worry about contams at this point lol
they are still good to eat. and i dont see anything from the pics
Yeaaap thats the plan. ima let them go until i see something terrible or they flush a couple times maybe 3 but i generally only go for 2 flushes because after that i tend to see diminishing returns and my time would be better spent filling the tub back up with a new sub. Thanks!
sounds good. ive eaten shrooms off substrate with obvious mold contamination and im still alive. only thing id recommend is to wash them off under tap water otherwise have fun!
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