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I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld)
    #26474869 - 02/08/20 01:08 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Found these growing in qld on manure inside a cow pasture. I cant really say whether the bruising was dark blue or just black. Maybe theres a pan species that bruises black?


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: rink]
    #26474873 - 02/08/20 01:12 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

The lighting in the pics makes it kinda hard to say, but I think at least some of those are Pan cyans.


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: breeg89]
    #26474884 - 02/08/20 01:29 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

These might be a but better. it's getting dark


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: breeg89]
    #26474889 - 02/08/20 01:32 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I think they're Panaeolus antillarum mushrooms.

Wait to see what others think.


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: Painkiller]
    #26474900 - 02/08/20 01:55 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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I think they're Panaeolus antillarum mushrooms.





Pictures aren't good but I see blue in at least two of the stems.

But a typical example of why indoor pictures don't work well for mushroom identification.


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: Painkiller]
    #26474902 - 02/08/20 01:56 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Looks blue to me in those new pics. Others should be able to confirm.


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26474915 - 02/08/20 02:20 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I'll remember that next time. I was trying to avoid bruising the stems but in the 3rd picture (2 stems) the one on the right is how it turned after pinching it and the left one is how we found some of them.


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: rink]
    #26475828 - 02/08/20 05:05 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Panaeolus cyanescens group,  look for bluish bruising, it can take up to 45min to show up.


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: Doc9151]
    #26476362 - 02/09/20 02:23 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

Thanks for the replies :thumbup:


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: rink]
    #26477509 - 02/09/20 07:28 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I have the same query and similar pics. Are cyans known to blacken, no blue when bruised?

As best I can tell, cyans have a more white stalk and top, not a brown stalk and greyer top like what I assume are antillarum.  Some clusters of what I think are Antillarum were also sticky on the stem.

The one I found that did blue, was all white on the inside of the stalk and whiter on the top. All of what I think are Antillarum were more straw colour on the inside of stalk and greyish white on top.

As best I can tell the gills had very similar colour, density and shape.

Also, is it true there are no harmful lookalikes in this Pan group or class?

I can start a new thread, and don’t mean to hijack but hope these pics may help - also SE QLD Australia, found in cow dung with black spore prints.
https://files.shroomery.org/files/20-006/119461094-48FF3645-F60C-4A12-9EBF-BE3D521D4665.jpg


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: knightswhosay]
    #26477852 - 02/10/20 12:50 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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I have the same query and similar pics. Are cyans known to blacken, no blue when bruised?





Yours are also Panaeolus cyanescens.


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Re: I'd request maybe pan cyans (qld) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26479534 - 02/11/20 03:47 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Great thanks Alan.
In the interest of assisting other noobs like myself...
I’ve read in the forum the Pan species other than cyans have reddish stems, right?

And is it fair to say the caps on the pan. cyans are less vertical on the edges, more say 60 degrees (from horizontal) than maybe the Antillarum which have a more vertical edge to the curve.

Of the pans I’ve found, those that were whiter and had a cap shaped more like an oriental hat (than semi-sphere) bruised blue.  I heard another shroomer here say they spotted cyans by the physiology but I didn’t know details.


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