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Metallica93
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Your thoughts on my first experience (.51g) and moving forward from here?
#26474891 - 02/08/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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After being too depressed to even want to put forth the effort, money, and time to grow my own, I finally found someone with mushrooms (Golden Teachers, apparently). I paid $50 for 5g (which actually came out to around 4.5g and is more than I wanted to pay, but hey, it's Chicago) and measured out increasing doses, starting with .51g.
Mindset: neutral to good. No really negative thoughts going in other than slight anxiety. I just laid down and focused on lowering my heart rate along with clearing my mind of any feelings, thoughts, or worries (e.g. imagining all white).
Setting: bed with fresh sheets right out of the dryer. I threw in some ear plugs, silenced my phone, and the puppy joined me as I laid down on my back. I was a bit colder than I would have liked, so more blankets, next time.
4:08pm: I didn't have the ability to grind them into a fine powder (not sure how much of a difference that would make, anyway), so I did what I could and let them sit in lemon juice for 18 minutes. People kept mentioning the taste, but it was fine. Perhaps you start tasting it with 4-6 times the amount?
4:15-4:20pm: I didn't feel anything. I only looked at my phone 2-3 times as to focus on my thoughts, but also help with the timeline.
4:20-4:45pm: I don't actually remember anything between checking my phone last and this next part, which was rather odd (maybe I nodded off for a bit?). The next thing I know, I'm awake and everything was a bit hazy. It was like my whole body was oscillating slightly and making it a tad difficult to focus. No visual distortions, that I could tell (against white walls).
4:45pm onward: at some point, my stomach felt upset. Not in a rumbling sort of way, but in a way that caused a spike in anxiety. I would really like to not feel that way with higher doses. I had control at .51g, but I'm not sure how I'll react with anything higher than 1.0g. Any tips are welcome (e.g. don't take mushrooms on a empty stomach next time?).
The biggest thing was that, when I closed my eyes, it felt like my brain was just dumping random images and patterns into the back of my eyelids. Definitely more vivid than if I would have just closed my eyes normally. It's unknown how long that lasted for, but I fell asleep and woke up around 8pm feeling fine (a short trip?). I could say that I felt a smidge lighter, but that could easily have just been from the nap.
Any thoughts on what I said or tips on how to proceed are welcome! My second dose (which will be two weeks from now) was going to be 1.0g, but I'm thinking of bumping that up to 1.25g and doing the same for the third dose (1.5g -> 2.0g), as well (primarily because I got shorted .5g, I think). That should give me a better idea of what varying levels of high are like.
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Re: Your thoughts on my first experience (.51g) and moving forward from here? [Re: Metallica93]
#26474953 - 02/08/20 03:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I get the nodding off too, kinda like a REM sleep not sure if your awake or dreaming, can't focus on anything. Just let the mushrooms focus for you don't try to understand what's going on just observe and learn.
If you anxious or fear enough it can cause you to feel physically sick I also get that on the comeup then it goes away.
The eyelid visuals are great I usually get morphing patterns and elephants faces, flowing through an tunnel of some sort. Things like that.
You got alot out of that 0.51g surprising, maybe try 1.25g next time like you said for a proper experience
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Re: Your thoughts on my first experience (.51g) and moving forward from here? [Re: Metallica93]
#26474967 - 02/08/20 04:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The anxiety gets worse with higher doses, but you do get more used to accepting the anxiety with experience. I have a routine wher for the first hour and half to two hours I’m in my living room with Hawkwind playing. When I’m firmly at the peak, I change rooms to my psychedelic sfeplace, and change the music. You know you’ve arrived because the anxiety suddenly stops and you get a momentous feeling of relief.
What I would advise are the following: always take mushrooms on an empty stomach. You will absorb thenpsychoactives more efficiently and quickly, and hence a shorter come up. Additionally, make lemon tea. Soak the mushrooms in lemon AND boiling water - simmer form20 minutes then strain. This will minimise nausea and will also make the come up faster (and more intense).
It’s all a bout getting to the headspace, which gets better and better at higher doses. But increase your doses slowly; sounds like you have a decent plan already, so stick with it 👍🏻
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Re: Your thoughts on my first experience (.51g) and moving forward from here? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26475077 - 02/08/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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you can use the same basic approach (setting), while increasing your dose towards a more average dose (this one was light for you), as you expand your understanding of mindset - what you report here is your mood and your efforts (and they were decent!).
It may not be possible to report fairly on mindset, because it includes all your mental landscape and activity, and that is way more than current mood and efforts made to be composed.
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Re: Your thoughts on my first experience (.51g) and moving forward from here? [Re: Metallica93]
#26475111 - 02/08/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Taste: If you're chewing on whole dried material, the taste will start getting to you as your going through 3-4 grams
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Metallica93 said: 4:45pm onward: at some point, my stomach felt upset. Not in a rumbling sort of way, but in a way that caused a spike in anxiety. I would really like to not feel that way with higher doses. I had control at .51g, but I'm not sure how I'll react with anything higher than 1.0g. Any tips are welcome (e.g. don't take mushrooms on an empty stomach next time?).
This is where I think the effects started kicking in for you. The stomach unsettledness could be one of two things. 1) Digestion troubles digesting the mushrooms. This is very common with whole dried material. Hence why a lot of people make teas. I grind mine and put em in capsules which helps with that for the most part. 2) Anxiety. For me, I know when it starts kicking in because I get "butterflies" in my stomach. At first that was daunting. Now I like the feeling and use it as an indicator to get into bed or whatever else it was I had planned to do at the onset of the trip.
I always take them on an empty stomach. Having a lot of food in your stomach can diminish the trip. I take them with a bit of juice to get my blood sugar up so I don't get lightheaded from fasting.
Anyway, the anxiety seems to always be there. I always experience it on everything 1.5g and above (to some degree). But if you surrender to it, it fades rather quickly (in my experience).
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Metallica93 said: Any thoughts on what I said or tips on how to proceed are welcome! My second dose (which will be two weeks from now) was going to be 1.0g, but I'm thinking of bumping that up to 1.25g and doing the same for the third dose (1.5g -> 2.0g), as well (primarily because I got shorted .5g, I think). That should give me a better idea of what varying levels of high are like.
Depending on your set and setting, the potency of the mushrooms, and your willingness to tread through difficulty, I would recommend anywhere between 1.5 and 3.5g. I think if you have cubes of average potency, 2g is a great view through the looking glass. It isn't a full on experience, but it has all of the intimations of one. My first experience was 3.5g of decent potency cubes (slightly better than average) and it was incredible. When I got back into exploring the psychedelic territory after a few years, I played around a lot with micro-dosing and with "lower" doses (1.5-2.5g territory). They were beautiful experiences in their own right but nothing like my 3-3.5g doses. And at 3-3.5g, I feel like I get a good strong "starter" psychedelic experience that is manageable.
Ultimately, based on your experience, you will have to judge where to go next. I would advise to take on the higher end of the spectrum, so that you don't get disappointed and feel like you wasted your money. The one and only time I bought, I was too hesitant to dive in and I wasted my money by taking a few .5g - 1g doses and not really feeling anything. And if you decide to pursue this exploration, I would suggest acquiring them by a different means than buying them on the street
Note: My experience is from testing my batches multiple times and coming to the conclusion that they are "average" strength cubes. By average I mean 1g produces what could be described by my own subjective experience as a lvl 1-1.5, 2g produces lvl 2-2.5, 3g produces lvl 3-4 etc. But everyone is different and affected differently. Potency varies, especially when you aren't the source and you don't control, as best you can, for potency. And lastly, the "lvls" of experience are not static. They are used for reference only and can vary quite a bit from person to person.
Edited by Socrateshroom (02/08/20 08:20 AM)
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Re: Your thoughts on my first experience (.51g) and moving forward from here? [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26477899 - 02/10/20 02:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kmacmo said:
I wasn't trying to focus on anything, though (other than noticing that it was little hard to focus when I opened my eyes due to that weird, whole-body vibration I had going). I just don't know if falling asleep is natural when people take mushrooms nor if doing so during a trip is considered a waste. Since this is for depression, I'd prefer not to do anything other than be alone with my thoughts, though, akin to how the actual studies are being performed.
The next attempt will definitely be 1.25g, though, just to maximize what I bought.
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DJ Ed said:
That's unfortunate to hear that the anxiety is apparently always present at the start, but yeah, I might just down the lemon juice/mushroom powder shot with a small cup of tea.
I'll also stick to the same routine (laying down, ear plugs, etc) and see how the next time (1.25g) goes. It will be easier to have as many fixed variables as I can.
Thanks!
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Quite a light dose, but I got much more out of it than I thought I would. Ever the scientist, I sure as hell wasn't taking the "Just start with 3g" advice I had been given on here before, lol.
Yeah, I enjoyed the irony that it took me taking an illegal drug to actually take note of my thoughts (sorry, previous therapists!). I'll probably always struggle with that, but this post was just as much asking for opinions as it was documentation.
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Socrateshroom said:
Ah, I see. Well, I don't see myself doing anything other than the lemon juice technique given the apparent shorter time frame required.
Excellent wording about the anxiety, though. I'll have to remember to think of it more as the pre-game, if you will, than me just wanting to throw up.
I appreciate the advice, but I feel that, since I'm modeling my experiences based off of the psilocybin trials that have taken place to combat depression, I should lay off anything higher than 2.0g unless I feel I need to jump that high. I have no doubts that 1.25g and 2.0g will give me a much better perspective of their effects and if I need to aim for such a dose.
Edited by Metallica93 (02/10/20 09:56 AM)
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