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Big Worm
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Google Search Filter Bias 2
#26474881 - 02/08/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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So not sure if this is common knowledge or not but this is something I’ve been noticing recently.
When I’d search certain information about drugs on google (or really any kind of counter culture/fringe topic) , the results come up as addiction treatment, rehabilitation resources etc. And not actually the information that should be coming up in relation to my keywords used.
For example , I typed in , “Nod off Oxycodone”
These are the google results

And these are the duck duck go results

So it’s just something to keep in mind when doing certain research and to question the search engine you use cause it could be biased into directing your results in a certain direction with its own agenda of what it believes you should be seeing instead.
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Big Worm]
#26474887 - 02/08/20 01:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah they censor a lot of conservative websites as well
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Big Worm] 1
#26474892 - 02/08/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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if you google the best way to kill yourself it lists various helplines and organizations if you bing the best way to kill yourself it lists various methods in terms of effectiveness
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Tantrika]
#26475128 - 02/08/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah it has been getting really bad the last few years
its hard to find good info now, all the top spots are bought out
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I use duck duck go as my default engine unless I want shopping results. That’s the only area it drops the ball.
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: D3_Myc]
#26475165 - 02/08/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Asante] 1
#26475180 - 02/08/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks i just ducked myself
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Asante]
#26475192 - 02/08/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Word has it that the duck is inferior for shopping except for RC shopping 
Google hides RC vendors, the duck just offers search results based on your query.
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Asante]
#26475433 - 02/08/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It also doesn’t save your information like google does. My personal file on google is over 60gig and I was shocked when I downloaded it. They sell all that information to 3rd parties to tailor ads and god knows what nefarious shit
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Big Worm]
#26475478 - 02/08/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have to say, its nice to see Google actually try to prevent deaths/overdoses/addictions. A Noble cause. The opioid death problem is a big issue and a lot of people are dying accidently or by suicide. That being said, too bad there inwt a "Drug Safe Search Off" toggle switch like there is for the naughty video/picture stuff. One can only hope for such a service.....
Ive noticed Bing often doesnt show some RC websites, so other search engines do it as well.
Duck Duck Go for sure is the place to be.
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Looks like we were all already using DDG anyways
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: ichugwindex] 3
#26475660 - 02/08/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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DAD WHEN YOU WERE A KID: *breaks the filter off of a cigarette, for flavor*
YOU, YOUR DADS AGE: *breaks the filter off of your Internet, for flavor*
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Quote:
LogicaL Chaos said: I have to say, its nice to see Google actually try to prevent deaths/overdoses/addictions. A Noble cause. The opioid death problem is a big issue and a lot of people are dying accidently or by suicide. That being said, too bad there inwt a "Drug Safe Search Off" toggle switch like there is for the naughty video/picture stuff. One can only hope for such a service.....
Ive noticed Bing often doesnt show some RC websites, so other search engines do it as well.
Duck Duck Go for sure is the place to be.
I understand where you’re coming from but i have to disagree.
I mean. Google can do whatever they want and people can choose to use a different search engine but I don’t think it’s their place to decide what information i should be reading. It’s a slippery slope.
Google doesn’t want you to find out certain information on the government or aliens because they feel like they know what’s best for you. Your search results come up as pro government or websites that only have information saying aliens and ufos are fake and it’s all a hoax. Obviously poor examples but you get my point lol.
We were talking about the Chinese government censoring certain information about the Coronavirus. I don’t see how this could eventually end up any different.
I like my information being free.
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Big Worm]
#26475700 - 02/08/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats a fair point. I mean, im sure the results are in there, just probably not the the first page.
Its like the end justifies the mean. A shift in priorities that happens to affect everyone. Like the plastic bag and plastic straw bans. Perhaps its for a greater good. But i would say, i wish that feature could be turned off.
Near Dylan found a bias in Bings search engine. He found that when u search "female actors", the Images Bing brings up are of women from India.
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Big Worm]
#26475704 - 02/08/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just searched "Nod off Oxycodone" on Bingx very drug-friendly results. Thats one thats nice about the smaller search engines, less bias overall.
I almost always uae Bing and it works well for me.
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: D3_Myc]
#26475792 - 02/08/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
D3monic said: It also doesn’t save your information like google does. My personal file on google is over 60gig and I was shocked when I downloaded it. They sell all that information to 3rd parties to tailor ads and god knows what nefarious shit
I use DDG, but one thing to keep in mind is the guy who started it, his last job was collecting and selling information, /g/ speculates that DDG could be doing this on the down low
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I read about them doing this some years ago, it's an attempt to encourage drug treatment and stuff like that.
Still, I wonder if this is why the shroomery has been getting less people the last few years...
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LogicaL Chaos said: its nice to see Google actually try to prevent deaths/overdoses/addictions. A Noble cause.
I agree with this and bigworm's comment. They're a private business, they can do whatever they want, and if people don't like it, then people are free to go elsewhere. It's the same thing I think about facebook/twitter/etc. They're private businesses and can do whatever they want as a private business. No one is forcing anyone to use their services, and there are tons of competitors to all these things.
Honestly, I sincerely doubt that duckduckgo is actually as privacy loving and all that as they claim to be. I bet they're pulling the same shit as google behind the scenes, but they're not as big so no one notices. Any company in that kind of position is probably going to end up playing the same games in the end IMO.
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Big Worm]
#26475818 - 02/08/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Big Worm]
#26476132 - 02/08/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The only problem with this kind of stuff is no one ever mentions the alternative.
Okay, you don't want to allow any sponsored ads - how do you plan to make money? Obviously there are billions of search results - how do you plan to prioritize them?
Google is not a big shadow conspiracy company. They prioritize their search results just like their sponsored ads - to make the most money. Providing an algorithm that is 'predictive' likely would provide the best search results, though it would definitely be off in many instances.
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: metalfaith]
#26476280 - 02/08/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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yes they are
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: metalfaith]
#26476410 - 02/09/20 04:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Asante] 1
#26476538 - 02/09/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't like other search engines, I have compared results side by side. People are using duck to rebel not because it's better.
The biggest problem I have with Google is how many things they are invested in. The search engine needs to made arms length from the rest of their business, and made demonstrably fair. If you have an internet business you need Google, period. Search neutrality needs to be a law.
Example I start a business, say Viraldrome Travel. There is nothing to stop Google from deciding my travel agency competes with Google Travel and they bury my search results.
“The best place to hide a dead body is page two of Google search results.” – Unknown
They did this to a bunch of comparison shopping sites so Google Shopping would take over, it drove everyone else out of business.
They own youtube, so when Youtube censors cryptocurrency videos is it just because Google banking is coming and they want favors from the legacy financial industry? They are so big and vast you can never be sure if they are doing things in the public interest or if they have a little side thing.
I'm waiting for a big anti trust lawsuit against these fuckers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Google
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: viraldrome]
#26476547 - 02/09/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Duck duck 🦆 gives me better img search results when I’m searching for pics to put on my anime pages
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: D3_Myc]
#26476554 - 02/09/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Google Search isnt the best. It shows you what you think you like to see, or what their advertizers feel you gotta see - NOT WHATS REALLY OUT THERE.
https://duckduckgo.com/
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: viraldrome] 1
#26476555 - 02/09/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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viraldrome said:
I don't like other search engines, I have compared results side by side. People are using duck to rebel not because it's better.
you get use to the one you use, ive used the duck for a couple years, and the other day I was at the library and the default engine was google, I tried to look up how long to instant pot ribs, and I got like what seemed a whole first page of sponsored ads, couldnt find a normal article, had to switch to DDG
Ive also used Linux since 2015, people say its worse, but again the computers at the library use windows 10, and I find it utterly unresponsive, they have google chrome and fire fox, I use fire fox at home, but for some reason it seems unusable on the library computers, like windows fucks with it, I have to use chrome at the library
my point is maybe one thing isnt better or worse then the other, its just what you are used to
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: gopher]
#26476768 - 02/09/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Instapot ribs on high pressure, 35 min. A little apple juice and liquid smoke in bottom of pot, ise the wire shelf thing and wrap ribs around pot. Then I brushed with bbq sauce and under broiler till caramelized. Not as good as a slow smoke but not terrible either
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: D3_Myc]
#26476794 - 02/09/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Google Search Filter Bias [Re: Asante] 1
#26483134 - 02/13/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Asante said: Google Search isnt the best. It shows you what you think you like to see, or what their advertizers feel you gotta see - NOT WHATS REALLY OUT THERE.
https://duckduckgo.com/
I'm pissed off with the Google / Getty / Europe fucking up the image search function. Whenever you peeps / life referred to some unknown quantity I'd just do a quick google > search image and enlarge thumnails with a right click. Simple.
Why these fucks got to screw up this easy research tool? fuck em. I don't want to visit a dozen sites and have to accept their poxy cookies just to find out what the fuck someone was on about. If you got a way to work around this bullshit let me know.
In the mean time I tried this "DDG". Equally bullshit fuck-you-about function. I found that 'Bing' with the "licence filter" is the most useful for my purpose so far.
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