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OfflineLSA Woodrose
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Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds
    #26473569 - 02/07/20 09:41 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Okay, so here is what I am wondering. Rather than go through the tedium of non-polar/polar pulls to extract the LSA, I noticed that the 50 seed batch of Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds I ordered from Shaman Gardens, to get my feet wet, had very little or no fuzz at all on them. I didn't bother de-shelling them or removing the top layer. My limited understanding of HBW seeds is that it isn't the seed itself that gets you nauseous and sick, but that fuzzy layer?

So if the seeds I have don't have that layer, can I just grind them up in a coffee grinder or mortar & pestle and eat the powder in 00 capsules as is? Or should I still remove that the "shell?"

It looks very tedious and time consuming. If I do have to remove the shell even without the "fuzz" how do you suggest doing it?

One post I read somewhere on the web, maybe here, suggests using a lighter, and running the seeds over a small flame for 2-3 seconds only, then trying to peel the layers off. The seeds are very small, though, so I'm not sure how this is done.

Another site recommended simply immersing the seeds in cold water for like an hour, then peeling the layer off, I guess with a knife or something, again, one a time.

Any suggestions here?


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26473683 - 02/07/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

The outer layer doesn’t really
Matter that much.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26473730 - 02/07/20 10:58 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Thanks for the answer. I'm not sure what you mean. Should I scrape off that layer, or just ignore it, grind up the seeds, and eat them? I could also extract the LSA.

If anyone else wants to post some answers to my other questions in my first post, I would appreciate it.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26473826 - 02/07/20 11:57 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Basically it’s all the same.
It’s better to leave them intact.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26474027 - 02/07/20 02:16 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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ft116 said:
Basically it’s all the same.
It’s better to leave them intact.




How do you avoid getting sick or you eat them? What’s your technique, way of ingestion, or tips to avoid the nausea and possible vomiting. Because in my experience many years ago with HBR seeds is, that was a big problem for me.

Do you extract the LSA? If so, do you use a nonpolar/polar extraction? Do you use a water extraction? Do you just pulverize the seeds, with a mortar and pestle or coffee grinder, or hammer, and then just eat them? I actually made a tea out of six seeds last week and had a very good experience, without nausea. But that was only six seeds I put in the coffee grinder, and I’m quite certain that my primitive method left most of the LSA and toxin still in the seeds. On a sidenote, I was actually a really good experience, borderline trip, with no visuals, but incredibly good feeling.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26474101 - 02/07/20 03:02 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I would crush the seeds and do a 90 minute cold water extraction on them with lemon juice added, stirring occasionally.  Filter well.

Use distilled water, or boil it first... chlorine kills the goodies


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26474111 - 02/07/20 03:07 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I just usually grind them up
In an electric coffee grinder
And eat them straight after
I have ground them. I decide
How many I want to take.
Usually 3 for a mild trip or
10 for a good one.
And that’s it.
That’s how I do mine.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26474118 - 02/07/20 03:13 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I am extracting some at the moment
But don’t know how it’s going to turn
Out. I have put 10grams of heavenly blue
In some iso 99% and I am currently experimenting
With them that way. I have just got tired
Of eating the seeds ground up. So I thought
I shall do some experimenting with
Extractions. Might aswell.
After they have sat and settled
Over night I plan on pouring
The iso off and letting it evaporate
To see what I get.
I will keep you posted.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26474184 - 02/07/20 03:53 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Awesome! Let me know how it works out, and please post the trip report as well. People should be discussing this topic a lot more, I think, LOL or at least I hope, in this forum. By the way, what does heavenly blue mean?


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26474223 - 02/07/20 04:24 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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I would crush the seeds and do a 90 minute cold water extraction on them with lemon juice added, stirring occasionally.  Filter well.

Use distilled water, or boil it first... chlorine kills the goodies




I purchased a gallon of distilled water yesterday and 16 ounces of Isopropyl alcohol, since I will probably try a Non-polar/polar extraction next. The light water extraction I did last week worked well, surprisingly so, for only 6 seeds. What I did was, since I had no distilled water at the time, I boiled 500ML of water, then waited for it to cool, before pouring it over the seeds I powdered using a coffee grinder. I used a clove of garlic, pureed through a garlic press instead of the lemon juice. I left it in the fridge overnight. My reasoning is that water is a great solvent, but you shouldn't lose any LSA to degradation overnight, versus the 90 minutes to 3 hours usually recommended. I put the seed powder and the garlic in a tea bag I emptied of its tea, folded the flap open so nothing escapes, and stapled it closed onto some dental floss I used to dunk like tea. I used a very dark, tinted almost opaque, sealable protein shake bottles. The kind that the top screws on and off and the bottom is basically a big cup. I lightly shook the mix and spent time dunking the tea. Every time I thought about it while it sat in the fridge overnight, I went to the fridge, and lightly shook around the bottle, Not hard as if I was trying to mix one of my muscle shakes, but kind of swirling it around in medium hard circles so it kept mixing but I didn't use enough shaker force to degrade the sensitive LSA.

It was surprisingly effective. Only 6 seeds this way and I was borderline tripping. No colors or anything, but very spiritual and introspective. If I had used more seeds, say 12, or I just used the 6, I'm sure I would have tripped a lot harder. I am quite certain that water extraction alone leaves a great deal of LSA compounds behind in the pulp!

Unless someone with more experience than me says I'm wrong, since I have very little experience, I would think that that leaving the seed mush in water as long as possible is preferable to only an hour or two. I would think that the longer one leaves it, the more LSA will dissolve into the aqueous solution.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26474411 - 02/07/20 06:19 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Just ordered 6000 morning
Glory seeds.
That should keep me busy.
I intend on extracting them
All. Not all at once.
I will probably start with 10grams
Worth each time I feel like
Getting spiritual.
They are very nice seeds and
I agree they don’t get as much
Use as they should. Have all the
Lsa heads died or got bored?
Lsa is here to stay. They can be
A useful tool in the steps towards
Enlightenment.
Respect the seeds.


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The mushrooms are fine.
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26474443 - 02/07/20 06:31 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

ft116 said:
Have all the
Lsa heads died or got bored?
Lsa is here to stay. They can be
A useful tool in the steps towards
Enlightenment.
Respect the seeds.




Yeah, even though I don't know this forum, since I am only here a few days, I was also wondering where everyone is. I am disappointed that this thread is basically you and me talking to each other, with one other person chiming in for a drive-by.

Anyway, what's your reason for choosing MG over HBW seeds for this extraction? I'm just curious as I have never tried tripping on MG. Is there a difference in the trip at all? I guess the huge amount of seeds ingested was always a turn off. Even though they are much smaller than HBW, I always just saw it as too much seed matter compared to 7-10 HWB seeds. I should try them some time I think.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26474555 - 02/07/20 07:28 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I prefer morning glory because
They give a purer smoother
Trip which can last for a long
Time. Tonight I have had
200. Feel so nice and good.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26474641 - 02/07/20 08:26 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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  , I would think that that leaving the seed mush in water as long as possible is preferable to only an hour or two




Not necessarily.  A longer extraction can pull more of the nauseating saponins from the seed.  90 minutes is fine with minimal nausea.  Use more seed if you want more activity... but be prepared for vasoconstriction.  If you have any Kola nut to chew, this is a prime admixture.

LAA itself can cause nausea via 5-HT3 interaction.  You can use ginger root or a few drops of lemon essential oil to mitigate this, however.

After you become familiar with LAA, you can experiment with aldehydes for adduct formation.  Cuminaldehyde is possibly my favorite mixture.  Search my name here with "adduct" to see my experiences.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26474689 - 02/07/20 08:54 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I dose HBWR by chewing the seeds for half an hour, it takes a slightly higher dose but it works. Usually dose 10-20 seeds and have depending on how deep I want to go. If I'm using MG seeds I take 250-700 sometimes more in a cold water extraction with an little lemon juice or citric acid and then possibly chew a couple HBWR seeds. 25mg DPH (Benadryl) can really help with the nausea but can also really increase the sedation.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26474692 - 02/07/20 08:56 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

ft116, thanks for the information about MG seeds. Maybe I’ll try them one day!

flickedbic, I was about to come in here and post what you did about the water extraction. A little while ago I googled it and it turns out that there’s no need to leave the seed mush in the water for as long as I thought might be a good idea. Although, I would still say that I would err on the side of 2 to 3 hours rather than an hour and a half. Not sure if that would make a difference at all though. I know what vasoconstriction is, but I’m not sure what that has to do with LSA tripping. When I tried the water extraction, as I said above, I added a smashed clove of garlic in with the seed pulp to the teabag. Wasn’t the best tasting thing LOL but I think the garlic, or even lemon juice perhaps could curb the nausea.


Here’s a question I asked in another thread, and got no answers. I was thinking, that if one wanted to get rid of the nausea producing agents, why not take the raw seed pulp from the grinder, and put it in a nonpolar solution like Naptha, as if you were doing the classic nonpolar/polar extraction?  Only my idea would be to just evaporate off the naptha, and then once it’s gone, instead of doing the LSA extraction part, the polar solution, why not just ingest the seed pulp that’s now naphtha free  and mostly toxin free? I mean, even if it wasn’t 100% and there were still some toxins left after the naptha, evaporates, wouldn’t this just get rid of enough to mitigate most of the nausea? Presumably, this would have to be better than simply eating the raw, ground up seats right?


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26474895 - 02/08/20 01:50 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Yes folks do non-polar washes to clean the seeds.  You can even use canola or peanut oil as the non-polar wash, drain this away then dry the seeds before use.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26474998 - 02/08/20 06:04 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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flickedbic said:
Yes folks do non-polar washes to clean the seeds.  You can even use canola or peanut oil as the non-polar wash, drain this away then dry the seeds before use.




I was actually wondering the same thing when I went to sleep last night, laying in bed, considering If something like this with possible. Oddly enough, the only reason I kind of like the idea of one of the more toxic substances used, is because I think that allowing a substance like Naptha to evaporate away, even though it takes a few days to do it, seems a little more efficient to me. By this I mean less waste of seed matter and LSA. This is a little bit miserly on my part, but I hate the constant use of filters and draining, even the thought of activated charcoal, because when you do several filtrations, you leave some of what you actually want behind in the various filters you use. Nothing is perfect of course, but as toxic as the naptha may be, at least it evaporates off, and you’re not going through filtering.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26478071 - 02/10/20 07:42 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Lophophora said:
I dose HBWR by chewing the seeds for half an hour, it takes a slightly higher dose but it works. Usually dose 10-20 seeds and have depending on how deep I want to go. If I'm using MG seeds I take 250-700 sometimes more in a cold water extraction with an little lemon juice or citric acid and then possibly chew a couple HBWR seeds. 25mg DPH (Benadryl) can really help with the nausea but can also really increase the sedation.




I'm curious why you chew the seeds rather than putting them into a coffee grinder or grounding them up with a mortar & pestle? I would honestly be concerned that all the chemicals on seeds could be damaging to the enamel on teeth. Although, in fairness, I have no clue if that's the case at all. Still, the seeds are very hard and this seems like a very unpleasant way to ingest them.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26479460 - 02/11/20 12:48 AM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Trust me my teeth are so fucked from meds that I can barely eat a bagel without pain but I can chew the seeds, just give them a good couple minutes to soak up moisture from your mouth and they'll be almost like eating a nut.


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