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Re: Yet another thread about atheism and God. But this time it's different. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26544624 - 03/19/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

would you vaccinate or not?


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Re: Yet another thread about atheism and God. But this time it's different. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26544736 - 03/19/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If one removes the 'I' from science, only then will it make scence.


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Re: Yet another thread about atheism and God. But this time it's different. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26544742 - 03/19/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Of course. But I don't see how that relates. I'm not suggesting we go back to the stone ages here. How about you actually respond to the point I was making. Namely that to call science alone the highest and say that struggling with ideas about god, philosophy, or how to live are near worthless beside it is a ridiculous assertion. You say that and yet here you are struggling with it just like I am (or perhaps you really aren't bothered), it's totally hypocritical.

This seems to be a common flaw with the rationalist. They think they have it all figured out.


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Re: Yet another thread about atheism and God. But this time it's different. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26545064 - 03/19/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course. But I don't see how that relates. I'm not suggesting we go back to the stone ages here. How about you actually respond to the point I was making. Namely that to call science alone the highest and say that struggling with ideas about god, philosophy, or how to live are near worthless beside it is a ridiculous assertion. You say that and yet here you are struggling with it just like I am (or perhaps you really aren't bothered), it's totally hypocritical.

This seems to be a common flaw with the rationalist. They think they have it all figured out.



wait a minute, you must be confusing me with somebody else.
I truly never would have said "that struggling with ideas about god, philosophy, or how to live are near worthless".

I think that one must strive to transcend themselves, including morally, philosophically, scholastically, religiously and physically. It is most important.

I would not be here if I did not think that way.

However, I am somewhat of a critical thinker, so when words get twisted, I want to unravel them.

I do love theory, and I enjoy devising tests for theory before accepting theoretical premises as fact, or assume they mean what they do not mean by persons that do not really understand.

It is about being true to myself. I keep refining that. (also now that you invoke god, I know of no two people that actually agree totally about god, so I do not feel so bad leaving that issue behind science which is about testing and being true to my self.)


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Re: Yet another thread about atheism and God. But this time it's different. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26545141 - 03/19/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Okay well I can definitely dig all of that. I just think you're overstating it and being way too romantic to start calling the spirit of science the most holy spirit. It sounds a little cracked to me.

When I use god it is just a way of speaking (loosely) mostly at least thats how it goes for me i dont like to get too deep into it either. Edit: Mind you I think that shit does work for some people.


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Re: Yet another thread about atheism and God. But this time it's different. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26545904 - 03/20/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

if there were some thing that would be better if more developed, it would be human integrity. that would involve understanding. that would involve science.


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Re: Yet another thread about atheism and God. But this time it's different. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26546381 - 03/20/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

To a degree probably but that degree is going to be different for everybody. Everyone has their own path and way to go.


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Re: Yet another thread about atheism and God. But this time it's different. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26546741 - 03/20/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

yah


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Re: Yet another thread about atheism and God. But this time it's different. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26548030 - 03/21/20 02:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think one thing is that the lingo of science is very complex for a lot of people especially if they don't have that kind of training or extensive education. I see this a lot in DQs posts. They make a lot of sense but they are difficult for me to get on with and understand properly.

I think sometimes discussing truth in simple and direct ways has more value in it given that it doesn't leave anyone out.


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Re: Yet another thread about atheism and God. But this time it's different. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26548165 - 03/21/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

simple truths work in simple language,
but that same language does not handle complexity very well.
in fact, some scientific descriptions are impossible to comprehend in language alone without a diagram.
fortunately those diagrams exist, however they are not that easy to look at either.
at least with science the crumbs are there and can be followed and critiqued by peers and the path can be furthered by studious and dedicated scientists.
the links and meaning in science are not dependent upon any belief or practice, or vague dependencies.

in any case, the universe exists, and we are in it, and we can all understand ourselves if we look consistently, even without a diagram, but we have to look, and be honest about what we see, and about when that changes. we may never understand anything else very well.


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