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Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up.
#26473915 - 02/07/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Think about it, humor is always about making a mockery out of someone/something.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
#26474007 - 02/07/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't find mockery of anyone or anything to be truly humorous (sometimes we laugh at things that aren't funny - maybe triggered by inner conflicts?). Humor can be a healthy bonding mechanism. My sister and I laugh a lot - often at ourselves, but not in a mean or self-deprecating manner. As humans we take ourselves and this life WAY too seriously, and to lighten up and laugh about things can be cathartic.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#26474015 - 02/07/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Laughter and humor is not the same thing.
Find one example of humor where it's not about making a mockery out someone/something.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
#26474018 - 02/07/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pinkerton said: Think about it, humor is always about making a mockery out of someone/something.
Way too Freudian and overly general. Sometimes in some some situations among some people.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: laughingdog]
#26474019 - 02/07/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Provide an example of humor where it's not about making a mockery out of someone/something.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
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Mockery involves contempt and ridicule. Are you claiming all humor involves these things?
I joked at Thanksgiving dinner my sister learned how to make roux (white sauce) when she was 3. My whole family laughed - especially my sister. It was a humorous comment because it was an exaggeration that reflected something real. My sister learned how to make roux when she was more like 8 or 9. She beamed with pride that I remembered such a tiny detail from our childhood.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said: Provide an example of humor where it's not about making a mockery out of someone/something.
there are people who giggle almost constantly, and they are nice people.
there are happy people who giggle while flirting
the list goes on ,... & on just because you don't want to exercise your own mind, to challenge yourself doesn't mean it is anyone else's responsibility to do so.
And of course many can be quite nasty without using humor as an excuse!
But by all means believe whatever you want to, you will anyway.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Mockery involves contempt and ridicule. Are you claiming all humor involves these things?
I joked at Thanksgiving dinner my sister learned how to make roux (white sauce) when she was 3. My whole family laughed - especially my sister. It was a humorous comment because it was an exaggeration that reflected something real. My sister learned how to make roux when she was more like 8 or 9. She beamed with pride that I remembered such a tiny detail from our childhood.
You made a mockery out of her being better than she really is. So there's nothing to be proud of afterall.
It may not feel like mockery but it most certainly is mockery in itself.
But nice try.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: laughingdog]
#26474119 - 02/07/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pinkerton said: Provide an example of humor where it's not about making a mockery out of someone/something.
there are people who giggle almost constantly, and they are nice people.
there are happy people who giggle while flirting
the list goes on ,... & on just because you don't want to exercise your own mind, to challenge yourself doesn't mean it is anyone else's responsibility to do so.
And of course many can be quite nasty without using humor as an excuse!
But by all means believe whatever you want to, you will anyway.
So much for an example. 
And learn to differ between giggle and humor.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
#26475061 - 02/08/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I do not like the comedy channel or my ex-wife who does mockery based jokes including self-mockery, however I adore slapstick comedy, word play comedy, and mirthful interaction even during sex.
I like humor that elevates the people involved without denigrating anybody and there is a lot of that, however, just as I do not remember and retell jokes, I think you have to be in the moment, and if you miss it, then it's your fault alone.
the more attentive I am, the more funny stuff becomes noticeable, and the closer to chuckling, smirking, and laughing I become.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
#26475144 - 02/08/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pinkerton said: Think about it, humor is always about making a mockery out of someone/something.
Yeah I think I agree. But only with certain definitions of mockery.
E.g., "an absurd misrepresentation or imitation of something"
I think an absurd misrepresentation is an OK summation of humor. Good comedy has that element of absurdity that directs one's attention in unique and often positive ways against dark or taboo topics.
I also think humor is one of the absolute best coping-mechanisms out there. But it's really just a perspective more than specifically mockery or misrepresentation IMO. It's a shift in perspective on something that may or may not be fucked up. There is humor that isn't about dark things while there is also humor that is about dark things.
I kind of think of humor as a counter to functional-fixedness for ideas. We get set ideas about things and humor shifts the perspective.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
#26475400 - 02/08/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pinkerton said: Provide an example of humor where it's not about making a mockery out of someone/something.
there are people who giggle almost constantly, and they are nice people.
there are happy people who giggle while flirting
the list goes on ,... & on just because you don't want to exercise your own mind, to challenge yourself doesn't mean it is anyone else's responsibility to do so.
And of course many can be quite nasty without using humor as an excuse!
But by all means believe whatever you want to, you will anyway.
So much for an example. 
And learn to differ between giggle and humor.
your laughing at me for what you take to be a poor reply (whether it is or not, does not matter), shows that indeed this base aspect of humor is apparently the level at which you are comfortable. Hence you seem to assume this is the total reality.--Makes perfect sense.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: laughingdog]
#26475453 - 02/08/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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nasty nickname humor - works for twittering trump.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
#26475620 - 02/08/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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In some sense it could be seen as a coping-mechanism.
I don't find senseless mockery that aims to alienate someone to be funny.
You could also view humor as meaningless fun too, without any cause or goal. So it is just playing for the sake of playing.
It definitely relieves tension, and relaxes you.
Good humor to me doesn't belittle or berate someone at their expense without any form of compensation, but instead makes everyone take a particular situation a little less serious and leads to a deeper sense of comfort shared among people.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
#26476208 - 02/08/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Mockery involves contempt and ridicule. Are you claiming all humor involves these things?
I joked at Thanksgiving dinner my sister learned how to make roux (white sauce) when she was 3. My whole family laughed - especially my sister. It was a humorous comment because it was an exaggeration that reflected something real. My sister learned how to make roux when she was more like 8 or 9. She beamed with pride that I remembered such a tiny detail from our childhood.
You made a mockery out of her being better than she really is. So there's nothing to be proud of afterall.
"better"?! It's a fact my sister learned how to make roux when she was young. I made a humorous comment that reflected that fact. It was an intimate moment we all shared. Are you drunk? How is that so hard to comprehend? I have other examples, but you don't really give a shit, do you? Come on, you just want to be an idiot, right? Be honest! That's your goal, right?
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#26476272 - 02/08/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you use an expansive definition of mockery you can probably fit most of humor into it. The most common use of mockery one that refers to derision, isn't what most of humor is about. I don't think Pinkerton wants to be an idiot.
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#26476274 - 02/08/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can say all actions of live is a coping mechanism. Got to do something make life enjoyable.
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#26476481 - 02/09/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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it's not want, just second nature (i.e. habit)
however he doesn't not want to be an idiot, and that leaves the habit in force.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: redgreenvines]
#26476974 - 02/09/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I imagine easy to find examples of good humor are to be found in Eckhart Tolle's talks on Youtube. He's a gentle guy, has great rapport with audience, and laughter and good humor permeate his talks.
for example around the 3 - 4 min mark.
but there must be hundreds of examples.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Eckhart+Tolle
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: laughingdog]
#26476986 - 02/09/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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As most of us already know, mockery implies contempt, or some sort of nastiness.
but it is quite possible to find over seriousness simply silly, and chide with love, or incite laughter in another to help them relax. So that both people feel happier.
Freud was really out to lunch much of the time. In fact he was such a creep reading "Freud: The Making of an Illusion" by Frederick Crews, takes a strong stomach.
To repeat his ideas without giving credit, or questioning them is a triple folly.
From amazon "From the master of Freud debunkers, the book that definitively puts an end to the myth of psychoanalysis and its creator
Since the 1970s, Sigmund Freud’s scientific reputation has been in an accelerating tailspin―but nonetheless the idea persists that some of his contributions were visionary discoveries of lasting value. Now, drawing on rarely consulted archives, Frederick Crews has assembled a great volume of evidence that reveals a surprising new Freud: a man who blundered tragicomically in his dealings with patients, who in fact never cured anyone, who promoted cocaine as a miracle drug capable of curing a wide range of diseases, and who advanced his career through falsifying case histories and betraying the mentors who had helped him to rise. The legend has persisted, Crews shows, thanks to Freud’s fictive self-invention as a master detective of the psyche, and later through a campaign of censorship and falsification conducted by his followers.
A monumental biographical study and a slashing critique, Freud: The Making of an Illusion will stand as the last word on one of the most significant and contested figures of the twentieth century."
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Pinkerton said:
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Mockery involves contempt and ridicule. Are you claiming all humor involves these things?
I joked at Thanksgiving dinner my sister learned how to make roux (white sauce) when she was 3. My whole family laughed - especially my sister. It was a humorous comment because it was an exaggeration that reflected something real. My sister learned how to make roux when she was more like 8 or 9. She beamed with pride that I remembered such a tiny detail from our childhood.
You made a mockery out of her being better than she really is. So there's nothing to be proud of afterall.
"better"?! It's a fact my sister learned how to make roux when she was young. I made a humorous comment that reflected that fact. It was an intimate moment we all shared. Are you drunk? How is that so hard to comprehend? I have other examples, but you don't really give a shit, do you? Come on, you just want to be an idiot, right? Be honest! That's your goal, right?
Take it easy. I may be an idiot in some parts of life, but really this whole thread is just me being wake.
You make a funny out of your sister being better than she is, learning roux at 3 when reality is she was 8 or 9. So in a sense you're making her look better than she truly is, you're indirectly lying (a cute lie). Thus the whole joke is a lie and joking about lies is a form of mockery. You're making a fool out of yourself, cuz really, who wants to be a liar?
When you see through culture it's very ugly.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: laughingdog]
#26482194 - 02/12/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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laughingdog said:
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Pinkerton said:
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laughingdog said:
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Pinkerton said: Provide an example of humor where it's not about making a mockery out of someone/something.
there are people who giggle almost constantly, and they are nice people.
there are happy people who giggle while flirting
the list goes on ,... & on just because you don't want to exercise your own mind, to challenge yourself doesn't mean it is anyone else's responsibility to do so.
And of course many can be quite nasty without using humor as an excuse!
But by all means believe whatever you want to, you will anyway.
So much for an example. 
And learn to differ between giggle and humor.
your laughing at me for what you take to be a poor reply (whether it is or not, does not matter), shows that indeed this base aspect of humor is apparently the level at which you are comfortable. Hence you seem to assume this is the total reality.--Makes perfect sense.
It was an example.
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
#26483561 - 02/13/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You make a funny out of your sister being better than she is, learning roux at 3 when reality is she was 8 or 9. So in a sense you're making her look better than she truly is, you're indirectly lying (a cute lie). Thus the whole joke is a lie and joking about lies is a form of mockery. You're making a fool out of yourself, cuz really, who wants to be a liar?
Using some exaggeration to reveal an emotional intimate fact isn't mockery - in my book. The reason every member of my family laughed was because they were aware of the intimate point I was sharing. Based in love and caring. Are you actually claiming my family laughed because I was a mocking liar?
Good try
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Re: Humor is a coping-mechanism cause the world is so fucked up. [Re: Pinkerton]
#26484768 - 02/14/20 06:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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nowadays people confuse humour and simply slandering others. Sometimes people even mix humour up with gossip. In fact it is more difficult to define humour than most things. But I can tell you right now humour does not and should not involve gossip and making fun of people. That's not humour that is demonic behaviour.
humour is an especially powerful use of words and can easily be taken in the wrong direction. Humour can also easily redirect your sense of humour.
You know your sense of humour is based on all the supposedly humorous humours that you have experienced thus far. This is why over time, humour goes in bad directions, wrong directions to the point where from a bystanders perspective one could struggle to still be able to call it humour. But apparently its funny
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