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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26473822 - 02/07/20 11:54 AM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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I never said trauma had to be permanent, I was merely explaining that it's a more apt description for 'bad trip'. It damages, takes time to heal from, and leaves scars. Simply not 'accepting something your brain is trying to tell you' is not at all what these traumatic psychedelic experiences are.
I don't know if that last bit was targeted at me, but I haven't been addressing your comments at all in this thread until now. I could give two fucks about what people call enlightenment, but I know that I've had thorough enough experiences with this aspect of life over the course of 17 consecutive years to have a valid perspective.
edit: I did address your bit about confronting fear with the very same stance that I've been taking this whole time.
As well, trauma is not open to the subjectivity of 'bad'. It's gauged on a level of severity just like a flesh wound would be. Some bad trips can be repaired overnight, some bad trips irreparably leave people with the mental capacity of a 4-year-old. If you don't think that's true, I'm sorry, but you have not experienced enough.
Edited by footpath (02/07/20 12:07 PM)
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
#26473844 - 02/07/20 12:05 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Hope we didn’t get our wires crossed - I was quoting and responding to 330ci
I never claim enlightenment, but I’m pretty sure it comes after basic empathy. Saying other people’s trauma isn’t real is an indication, at least to me, that he’s not as enlightened as he thinks
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
#26473847 - 02/07/20 12:08 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Yeah, me too. I need to start actually quoting so to not misdirect these things.
I believe we are on the same page.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26473860 - 02/07/20 12:18 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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I haven’t really followed y’all’s specific childish bickering and insults, Just observing generally how ideological and nasty things are getting.
I also don’t know or care who started it, I am simply passing the time trolling this thread and waiting for at least one of you to pull your head out of their ass. I think if there could be a small pause in these deeply held beliefs, you would notice how trashy and disrespectful the tone of the conversation has become, and maybe this could move to more productive things, like the semantics problem. 😀
Maybe, if your parents raised you right, you will be a bit embarrassed about it and not wish to further descend into pettiness.
And then, as far as enlightenment jokes: i maintain my right, if you two are giving yourselves permission to engage in such a gross conversation without batting an eye, surely you can handle a joke or two. Right?
Stay open to everything, even the negative. The pushback( and hatefulness ) you are getting and giving right here in this moment is being perceived as “bad” but, isn’t it really a learning experience?
Think about it, or don’t.
Peace
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
#26473864 - 02/07/20 12:19 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Trauma-a deeply distressing or disturbing experience
experience-encounter or undergo (an event or occurrence)
distressing-causing anxiety, sorrow or pain; upsetting disturbing-causing anxiety; worrying
when you deconstruct what trauma is by definition you realize it is all concepts created by the mind, and when you can realize you thought that concept in the first place, you can start to deconstruct it.
I clearly don't care what you have to say at this point and nor does anyone care to listen to me so I'll just excuse myself with this statement.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26473866 - 02/07/20 12:19 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Oh we’re fully aware you’re a troll
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26473869 - 02/07/20 12:23 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Quote:
Shr00mEater said: I haven’t really followed y’all’s specific childish bickering and insults, Just observing generally how ideological and nasty things are getting.
I also don’t know or care who started it, I am simply passing the time trolling this thread and waiting for at least one of you to pull your head out of their ass. I think if there could be a small pause in these deeply held beliefs, you would notice how trashy and disrespectful the tone of the conversation has become, and maybe this could move to more productive things, like the semantics problem. 😀
Maybe, if your parents raised you right, you will be a bit embarrassed about it and not wish to further descend into pettiness.
And then, as far as enlightenment jokes: i maintain my right, if you two are giving yourselves permission to engage in such a gross conversation without batting an eye, surely you can handle a joke or two. Right?
Stay open to everything, even the negative. The pushback( and hatefulness ) you are getting and giving right here in this moment is being perceived as “bad” but, isn’t it really a learning experience?
Think about it, or don’t.
Peace
Don't you think it's a little unenlightened to assume the tone of my arguments based on the generalizations you've gathered from a thread whose individual facets you haven't explored?
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26473886 - 02/07/20 12:33 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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330ci said: Trauma-a deeply distressing or disturbing experience
experience-encounter or undergo (an event or occurrence)
distressing-causing anxiety, sorrow or pain; upsetting disturbing-causing anxiety; worrying
when you deconstruct what trauma is by definition you realize it is all concepts created by the mind, and when you can realize you thought that concept in the first place, you can start to deconstruct it.
I clearly don't care what you have to say at this point and nor does anyone care to listen to me so I'll just excuse myself with this statement.
Psychiatry. an experience that produces psychological injury or pain. the psychological injury so caused.
You selected the wrong use of the word.
To say that just because psychological things happen in your mind and you thus have the power to control them is a vast misconception of the workings of the mind. Overcoming suicidal tendencies is one thing, repairing broken connections in your neurons is totally different. Psychological trauma can cause those breaks.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26473887 - 02/07/20 12:34 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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Shr00mEater said: I haven’t really followed y’all’s specific childish bickering and insults, Just observing generally how ideological and nasty things are getting.
I also don’t know or care who started it, I am simply passing the time trolling this thread and waiting for at least one of you to pull your head out of their ass. I think if there could be a small pause in these deeply held beliefs, you would notice how trashy and disrespectful the tone of the conversation has become, and maybe this could move to more productive things, like the semantics problem. 😀
Maybe, if your parents raised you right, you will be a bit embarrassed about it and not wish to further descend into pettiness.
And then, as far as enlightenment jokes: i maintain my right, if you two are giving yourselves permission to engage in such a gross conversation without batting an eye, surely you can handle a joke or two. Right?
Stay open to everything, even the negative. The pushback( and hatefulness ) you are getting and giving right here in this moment is being perceived as “bad” but, isn’t it really a learning experience?
Think about it, or don’t.
Peace
Holy hypocrisy batman!

Please continue, this is just starting to get good
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
#26473898 - 02/07/20 12:42 PM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Footpath, why did you bite? No, you were seemingly calm and rational...
Did you -really- think that this was directed at you? If so, then, I am sorry.
However, I am 100% sure 330ci and Feldman are aware of who my “y’all” refers too. Or they are now...
And 330ci , thank you for stepping back it is hard not to fight for things you believe, but, 9x out of 10.... everyone already knows better and it isn’t worth the mental/emotional energy trying to argue them out of those beliefs.
Lol you funny BabylonRuleDem 😊
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26473909 - 02/07/20 12:51 PM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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I just wanted to join in the trolling...
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
#26473944 - 02/07/20 01:16 PM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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LoL!
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26474140 - 02/07/20 03:22 PM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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I'm sure bad trips exist because I've had a few - less than a dozen - out of over a thousand. So there's a lot to be said for not fucking up how, when, and why you trip. As well as finding and knowing your limits with these substances.
OTOH the good so far outweighs the bad that there's really no comparison. And I never had a "bad" trip that couldn't be fixed by going back at it again ASAP. They generally came from mushrooms that had weird vibes for whatever reasons, some cubes, wild woodlovers, shit like that.
Always a good idea to try a small amount of whatever you have that's new to see if it resonates well.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26474167 - 02/07/20 03:42 PM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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how does one judge that the trip was bad? some parts could be easy and others hard, or all parts could even be hard , but bad does not seem to apply. difficulty does not mean bad.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26474472 - 02/07/20 06:45 PM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Good and bad are subjective. I believe that these medicines are here for growth, which at times can require painful and even frightening experiences.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#26475564 - 02/08/20 02:03 PM (4 years, 8 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: how does one judge that the trip was bad? some parts could be easy and others hard, or all parts could even be hard , but bad does not seem to apply. difficulty does not mean bad.
IME a "bad" trip is one with no redeeming qualities.
Sort of like a pointless nightmare that nevertheless seems quite real while its happening. Scrooges' "undigested bit of beef" in other words.
OTOH there are nightmares with redeeming qualities, just like negative tending trips that don't slide all the way into the existential, eternal hell that a "bad" trip brings. And there are "difficult" nightmares or dreams with meaning that you can sort out, just like like "difficult" trips.
These latter sort are the kind you can learn from. The other kind just are and you gotta shake your head at the weird shit your brain can get up to when given certain sorts of stimulation.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup] 1
#26477675 - 02/09/20 09:38 PM (4 years, 7 days ago) |
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the only bad trip is no trip at all
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#26477879 - 02/10/20 01:38 AM (4 years, 7 days ago) |
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I've had a bad trip off around 7 grams of shrooms. Bad - as in feeling pure terror. Won't go into detail, but I had no doubt in my mind that I was going to die. It was the most terrifying experience of my life. While coming down I accepted my inevitable death and I came to peace with it. Bliss. The next morning I woke up and my years of depression and suicidal thoughts were completely eradicated. Yes, I consider that a bad trip... pure concentrated terror. Just because it's a bad trip, doesn't mean it can't have redeeming qualities.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Momorush]
#26478043 - 02/10/20 07:09 AM (4 years, 7 days ago) |
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let me ask - do you go to horror movies for fun?
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: redgreenvines]
#26478627 - 02/10/20 01:47 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: let me ask - do you go to horror movies for fun?
If you're asking me... I'm not really a fan of horror movies. Usually find them slow moving and boring.
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