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DUMP these jars?? Start over?
#26473595 - 02/07/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Help! These are half pint brf jars growing Cambodians. 26 days since inoculation. Sitting in a TiT incubator with a constant temp around 77F. Mostly but not completely dark. pf tek. There's a small fan abt 18" away blowing air across the top the top of (not toward) the incubator.
So 5 of the 6 jars are pinning, but the jar bottoms are not colonized. The sides are 95 to 100% colonized as shown. Some of the pins are growing toward the lid. The substrate on the jar bottoms appears loose.
One jar is 100% colonized and has NO pinning that I can see. It was the last one I noc'd. Hmmm.
What's going on with these and what can I do if anything? Are they a loss? Or wait it out some more? Thx.
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Exhibit A, side and bottom.
Exhibit B, side and bottom.
Edited by 920 (02/07/20 01:47 PM)
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: 920]
#26474239 - 02/07/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: 920]
#26474275 - 02/07/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Spawn them now ....I have NO experience with Brf but from what Iβve read sometimes they donβt colonize fully because the mycelium canβt penetrate the more solid parts of the cake(usually the bottoms/tops) sometimes this will force pinning. Iβm still a Noob but this is just my take on this. Hope this helps a little.
Edited by MushkingMulah360 (02/07/20 05:07 PM)
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Those tall ones can stall out.
Idk much about cakes but I remember that from when I did some.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: A.k.a]
#26474426 - 02/07/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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They are probably contaminated. Mycelium will fruit in the presence of a competitor. You can try and fruit in jar, but I think with that much exposed uncolonized spawn as the mycelium shrinks it might go bad.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: Sockadin]
#26474436 - 02/07/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can wash away the uncolonized parts of the cakes when you birth them.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: gizmo1]
#26474440 - 02/07/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would fruit in jar and try to decrease chances, open one up and see how it smells.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: gizmo1]
#26474449 - 02/07/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I bet those jars reached about 80f in that incubator. The mycellium puts out heat so if it was 77 in the incubator the cakes were more than likely hotter allowing contams to thrive. Ditch the incubator if you need to adjust temps adjust the temps in the room. Either turn up the thermostat or use a space heater. Id suggest keeping it 75 or under though.
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Edited by gizmo1 (02/07/20 06:35 PM)
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: 920]
#26474451 - 02/07/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've had successful (for me at least: ~39g wet a cake) results in fruiting a near identical case.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: Sockadin]
#26474455 - 02/07/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Sockadin said: I would fruit in jar and try to decrease chances, open one up and see how it smells.
Decrease chances?
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: gizmo1]
#26474464 - 02/07/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fruit em! Don't throw em out till they are fruited or fucked. You look like you may get some fruits to me.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: gizmo1]
#26474492 - 02/07/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Decrease chances of getting as stinky AF house, Sorry I was thinking that but didn't type it
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Sockadin said: I would fruit in jar and try to decrease chances, open one up and see how it smells.
Decrease chances?
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: Sockadin]
#26474508 - 02/07/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stinky house? Top fruiting jars wont stink. Dont be silly.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: mushboy]
#26474512 - 02/07/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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God, why am I not making sense... If the jars are contaminated with bacteria and you fruit in jar and the sub shrinks you will get air to the bacterial area that may cause it to smell if it starts get air flow.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: Sockadin]
#26474531 - 02/07/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: mushboy]
#26474601 - 02/07/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lol.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: Smartattack]
#26475237 - 02/08/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Looked again just now and some of the jars are showing VERY slow colonization on the jar bottoms. Only 2 jars have absolutely no growth there. One jar appears fully colonized with pins just barely showing.
So I have 2 options based on what's been said here that don't involve dumping: 1. Birth them, cut away the uncolonized parts, proceed as usual. 2. Fruit in the jar.
I'm leaning toward number 2. Thoughts?
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: gizmo1]
#26475328 - 02/08/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If one was growing in a small closet, and had the door cracked with a space heater blowing the in closets direction, would that cause an contam issues?
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: 920]
#26475374 - 02/08/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
920 said: Looked again just now and some of the jars are showing VERY slow colonization on the jar bottoms. Only 2 jars have absolutely no growth there. One jar appears fully colonized with pins just barely showing.
So I have 2 options based on what's been said here that don't involve dumping: 1. Birth them, cut away the uncolonized parts, proceed as usual. 2. Fruit in the jar.
I'm leaning toward number 2. Thoughts?
Even if you fruit in the jar you are going to want to wash away the uncolonized part of the cake.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: gizmo1]
#26475381 - 02/08/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sounds to me like it's probably the jar size and less likely it's a contamination. Smell test is the old thing I can think of.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: gizmo1]
#26475408 - 02/08/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: Even if you fruit in the jar you are going to want to wash away the uncolonized part of the cake.
So "birth" it, wash it away, then back in the jar? I guess I need a tek. I just haven't gotten that far yet.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: Sockadin]
#26475410 - 02/08/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Sounds to me like it's probably the jar size and less likely it's a contamination. Smell test is the old thing I can think of.
Well this is my first rodeo. I don't know that I trust my nose.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: 920]
#26475441 - 02/08/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Open the lid and sniff. You will know if it smells off. It's like a primal human trait to snuff something and know if it is bad.
Also you can birth it by opening the lid and putting some coir on top and watering. Stick it in a larger Tupperware with the Tupperware lid loose for a couple of days until it starts to colonize the top of the coir. It will fruit just like that.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: 920]
#26475546 - 02/08/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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920 said:
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gizmo1 said: Even if you fruit in the jar you are going to want to wash away the uncolonized part of the cake.
So "birth" it, wash it away, then back in the jar? I guess I need a tek. I just haven't gotten that far yet.
Bassically. Yes. I dont think you will find a tek for uncolonized ir unfinished stalled out cakes. As soon as you open it you will be exposing uncolonized cake to contamed air and it will soon go green. If you wash or cut away the uncolonized portion you are left with a fully colonized(hopefully with mushroom mycelium) cake. Which can then safely be fruited. In the jar or out. Wont matter at that point.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: gizmo1]
#26475901 - 02/08/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: If you wash or cut away the uncolonized portion you are left with a fully colonized(hopefully with mushroom mycelium) cake. Which can then safely be fruited. In the jar or out. Wont matter at that point.
Okay so why the earlier recommendations to fruit in jar? To contain contams if there were any?
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: 920]
#26475908 - 02/08/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didnt recommend fruiting in the jar. You said you wanted to fruit in the jar and I suggested if you do that you still rinse away uncolonized substrate.
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Re: DUMP these jars?? Start over? [Re: gizmo1]
#26475948 - 02/08/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: I didnt recommend fruiting in the jar. You said you wanted to fruit in the jar and I suggested if you do that you still rinse away uncolonized substrate. 
My bad. I didn't mean you. I meant earlier suggestions from others...
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