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OfflineLSA Woodrose
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Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds
    #26473569 - 02/07/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, so here is what I am wondering. Rather than go through the tedium of non-polar/polar pulls to extract the LSA, I noticed that the 50 seed batch of Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds I ordered from Shaman Gardens, to get my feet wet, had very little or no fuzz at all on them. I didn't bother de-shelling them or removing the top layer. My limited understanding of HBW seeds is that it isn't the seed itself that gets you nauseous and sick, but that fuzzy layer?

So if the seeds I have don't have that layer, can I just grind them up in a coffee grinder or mortar & pestle and eat the powder in 00 capsules as is? Or should I still remove that the "shell?"

It looks very tedious and time consuming. If I do have to remove the shell even without the "fuzz" how do you suggest doing it?

One post I read somewhere on the web, maybe here, suggests using a lighter, and running the seeds over a small flame for 2-3 seconds only, then trying to peel the layers off. The seeds are very small, though, so I'm not sure how this is done.

Another site recommended simply immersing the seeds in cold water for like an hour, then peeling the layer off, I guess with a knife or something, again, one a time.

Any suggestions here?


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26473683 - 02/07/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The outer layer doesn’t really
Matter that much.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26473730 - 02/07/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the answer. I'm not sure what you mean. Should I scrape off that layer, or just ignore it, grind up the seeds, and eat them? I could also extract the LSA.

If anyone else wants to post some answers to my other questions in my first post, I would appreciate it.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26473826 - 02/07/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Basically it’s all the same.
It’s better to leave them intact.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26474027 - 02/07/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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ft116 said:
Basically it’s all the same.
It’s better to leave them intact.




How do you avoid getting sick or you eat them? What’s your technique, way of ingestion, or tips to avoid the nausea and possible vomiting. Because in my experience many years ago with HBR seeds is, that was a big problem for me.

Do you extract the LSA? If so, do you use a nonpolar/polar extraction? Do you use a water extraction? Do you just pulverize the seeds, with a mortar and pestle or coffee grinder, or hammer, and then just eat them? I actually made a tea out of six seeds last week and had a very good experience, without nausea. But that was only six seeds I put in the coffee grinder, and I’m quite certain that my primitive method left most of the LSA and toxin still in the seeds. On a sidenote, I was actually a really good experience, borderline trip, with no visuals, but incredibly good feeling.


Edited by LSA Woodrose (02/07/20 02:22 PM)


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26474101 - 02/07/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I would crush the seeds and do a 90 minute cold water extraction on them with lemon juice added, stirring occasionally.  Filter well.

Use distilled water, or boil it first... chlorine kills the goodies


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26474111 - 02/07/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I just usually grind them up
In an electric coffee grinder
And eat them straight after
I have ground them. I decide
How many I want to take.
Usually 3 for a mild trip or
10 for a good one.
And that’s it.
That’s how I do mine.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26474118 - 02/07/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I am extracting some at the moment
But don’t know how it’s going to turn
Out. I have put 10grams of heavenly blue
In some iso 99% and I am currently experimenting
With them that way. I have just got tired
Of eating the seeds ground up. So I thought
I shall do some experimenting with
Extractions. Might aswell.
After they have sat and settled
Over night I plan on pouring
The iso off and letting it evaporate
To see what I get.
I will keep you posted.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26474184 - 02/07/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome! Let me know how it works out, and please post the trip report as well. People should be discussing this topic a lot more, I think, LOL or at least I hope, in this forum. By the way, what does heavenly blue mean?


Edited by LSA Woodrose (02/07/20 03:55 PM)


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26474223 - 02/07/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
I would crush the seeds and do a 90 minute cold water extraction on them with lemon juice added, stirring occasionally.  Filter well.

Use distilled water, or boil it first... chlorine kills the goodies




I purchased a gallon of distilled water yesterday and 16 ounces of Isopropyl alcohol, since I will probably try a Non-polar/polar extraction next. The light water extraction I did last week worked well, surprisingly so, for only 6 seeds. What I did was, since I had no distilled water at the time, I boiled 500ML of water, then waited for it to cool, before pouring it over the seeds I powdered using a coffee grinder. I used a clove of garlic, pureed through a garlic press instead of the lemon juice. I left it in the fridge overnight. My reasoning is that water is a great solvent, but you shouldn't lose any LSA to degradation overnight, versus the 90 minutes to 3 hours usually recommended. I put the seed powder and the garlic in a tea bag I emptied of its tea, folded the flap open so nothing escapes, and stapled it closed onto some dental floss I used to dunk like tea. I used a very dark, tinted almost opaque, sealable protein shake bottles. The kind that the top screws on and off and the bottom is basically a big cup. I lightly shook the mix and spent time dunking the tea. Every time I thought about it while it sat in the fridge overnight, I went to the fridge, and lightly shook around the bottle, Not hard as if I was trying to mix one of my muscle shakes, but kind of swirling it around in medium hard circles so it kept mixing but I didn't use enough shaker force to degrade the sensitive LSA.

It was surprisingly effective. Only 6 seeds this way and I was borderline tripping. No colors or anything, but very spiritual and introspective. If I had used more seeds, say 12, or I just used the 6, I'm sure I would have tripped a lot harder. I am quite certain that water extraction alone leaves a great deal of LSA compounds behind in the pulp!

Unless someone with more experience than me says I'm wrong, since I have very little experience, I would think that that leaving the seed mush in water as long as possible is preferable to only an hour or two. I would think that the longer one leaves it, the more LSA will dissolve into the aqueous solution.


Edited by LSA Woodrose (02/07/20 04:32 PM)


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26474411 - 02/07/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just ordered 6000 morning
Glory seeds.
That should keep me busy.
I intend on extracting them
All. Not all at once.
I will probably start with 10grams
Worth each time I feel like
Getting spiritual.
They are very nice seeds and
I agree they don’t get as much
Use as they should. Have all the
Lsa heads died or got bored?
Lsa is here to stay. They can be
A useful tool in the steps towards
Enlightenment.
Respect the seeds.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26474443 - 02/07/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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ft116 said:
Have all the
Lsa heads died or got bored?
Lsa is here to stay. They can be
A useful tool in the steps towards
Enlightenment.
Respect the seeds.




Yeah, even though I don't know this forum, since I am only here a few days, I was also wondering where everyone is. I am disappointed that this thread is basically you and me talking to each other, with one other person chiming in for a drive-by.

Anyway, what's your reason for choosing MG over HBW seeds for this extraction? I'm just curious as I have never tried tripping on MG. Is there a difference in the trip at all? I guess the huge amount of seeds ingested was always a turn off. Even though they are much smaller than HBW, I always just saw it as too much seed matter compared to 7-10 HWB seeds. I should try them some time I think.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26474555 - 02/07/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I prefer morning glory because
They give a purer smoother
Trip which can last for a long
Time. Tonight I have had
200. Feel so nice and good.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26474641 - 02/07/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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  , I would think that that leaving the seed mush in water as long as possible is preferable to only an hour or two




Not necessarily.  A longer extraction can pull more of the nauseating saponins from the seed.  90 minutes is fine with minimal nausea.  Use more seed if you want more activity... but be prepared for vasoconstriction.  If you have any Kola nut to chew, this is a prime admixture.

LAA itself can cause nausea via 5-HT3 interaction.  You can use ginger root or a few drops of lemon essential oil to mitigate this, however.

After you become familiar with LAA, you can experiment with aldehydes for adduct formation.  Cuminaldehyde is possibly my favorite mixture.  Search my name here with "adduct" to see my experiences.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26474689 - 02/07/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I dose HBWR by chewing the seeds for half an hour, it takes a slightly higher dose but it works. Usually dose 10-20 seeds and have depending on how deep I want to go. If I'm using MG seeds I take 250-700 sometimes more in a cold water extraction with an little lemon juice or citric acid and then possibly chew a couple HBWR seeds. 25mg DPH (Benadryl) can really help with the nausea but can also really increase the sedation.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26474692 - 02/07/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

ft116, thanks for the information about MG seeds. Maybe I’ll try them one day!

flickedbic, I was about to come in here and post what you did about the water extraction. A little while ago I googled it and it turns out that there’s no need to leave the seed mush in the water for as long as I thought might be a good idea. Although, I would still say that I would err on the side of 2 to 3 hours rather than an hour and a half. Not sure if that would make a difference at all though. I know what vasoconstriction is, but I’m not sure what that has to do with LSA tripping. When I tried the water extraction, as I said above, I added a smashed clove of garlic in with the seed pulp to the teabag. Wasn’t the best tasting thing LOL but I think the garlic, or even lemon juice perhaps could curb the nausea.


Here’s a question I asked in another thread, and got no answers. I was thinking, that if one wanted to get rid of the nausea producing agents, why not take the raw seed pulp from the grinder, and put it in a nonpolar solution like Naptha, as if you were doing the classic nonpolar/polar extraction?  Only my idea would be to just evaporate off the naptha, and then once it’s gone, instead of doing the LSA extraction part, the polar solution, why not just ingest the seed pulp that’s now naphtha free  and mostly toxin free? I mean, even if it wasn’t 100% and there were still some toxins left after the naptha, evaporates, wouldn’t this just get rid of enough to mitigate most of the nausea? Presumably, this would have to be better than simply eating the raw, ground up seats right?


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26474895 - 02/08/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yes folks do non-polar washes to clean the seeds.  You can even use canola or peanut oil as the non-polar wash, drain this away then dry the seeds before use.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26474998 - 02/08/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes folks do non-polar washes to clean the seeds.  You can even use canola or peanut oil as the non-polar wash, drain this away then dry the seeds before use.




I was actually wondering the same thing when I went to sleep last night, laying in bed, considering If something like this with possible. Oddly enough, the only reason I kind of like the idea of one of the more toxic substances used, is because I think that allowing a substance like Naptha to evaporate away, even though it takes a few days to do it, seems a little more efficient to me. By this I mean less waste of seed matter and LSA. This is a little bit miserly on my part, but I hate the constant use of filters and draining, even the thought of activated charcoal, because when you do several filtrations, you leave some of what you actually want behind in the various filters you use. Nothing is perfect of course, but as toxic as the naptha may be, at least it evaporates off, and you’re not going through filtering.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26478071 - 02/10/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Lophophora said:
I dose HBWR by chewing the seeds for half an hour, it takes a slightly higher dose but it works. Usually dose 10-20 seeds and have depending on how deep I want to go. If I'm using MG seeds I take 250-700 sometimes more in a cold water extraction with an little lemon juice or citric acid and then possibly chew a couple HBWR seeds. 25mg DPH (Benadryl) can really help with the nausea but can also really increase the sedation.




I'm curious why you chew the seeds rather than putting them into a coffee grinder or grounding them up with a mortar & pestle? I would honestly be concerned that all the chemicals on seeds could be damaging to the enamel on teeth. Although, in fairness, I have no clue if that's the case at all. Still, the seeds are very hard and this seems like a very unpleasant way to ingest them.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26479460 - 02/11/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Trust me my teeth are so fucked from meds that I can barely eat a bagel without pain but I can chew the seeds, just give them a good couple minutes to soak up moisture from your mouth and they'll be almost like eating a nut.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26479463 - 02/11/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

And in my opinion the purgative entheogens should be unpleasant to ingest, that's half the experience to me including the nausea and emesis.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26479570 - 02/11/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well lsa. Here is my extract outcome.
From 10 gram of seeds mixed in
99%iso. Soaked for a day then pour
The alcohol off and dry.
This is what I got.



I have eaten half of it this morning
And I already feel nice and good
Ready for the day.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26479897 - 02/11/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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ft116 said:
Well lsa. Here is my extract outcome.
From 10 gram of seeds mixed in
99%iso. Soaked for a day then pour
The alcohol off and dry.
This is what I got.



I have eaten half of it this morning
And I already feel nice and good
Ready for the day.




Whoa! :eek: 10 grams was your starting point? That's almost 100 seeds, half of which would be a whipping 50 seeds! Even with LSA loss from our various primitive extractions, isn't that an insane amount of consumption?

Although, the last time I did an alcohol extraction, I left the seed pulp in the alcohol for over 2 full days. So maybe you didn't extract as much LSA? Either way, that is a boatload of seed extract you ate.


That said, I hope youre having an AWESOME Trip! :mushroom2:


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And in my opinion the purgative entheogens should be unpleasant to ingest, that's half the experience to me including the nausea and emesis.




I am sorry to hear about the state of your teeth. I hope you have a good dentist!

While I understand your philosophy, which is almost Shamanic, and I get the idea that the "getting sick" is part of the trip, going back to the American Indian spirit journeys, as far as I'm concerned, no f*cking thanks! The last time I did pure Hawaiian Woodrose, by straight eating with no extraction, I got a helluva bout of nausea. I only ate about 8 seeds, mind you, but NEVER, ever again. Getting sick and that nasty feeling just set the tone for the entire trip, and the whole thng just completely sucked. I hated the nausea, and it negatively colored the whole trip.

I don't give a crap what the Indians and Shamans say. I'll take a tab of acid and deal with 12 hours of..."Bzzzzzzzzz Bzzzzzzzz Bzzzzzzz!" before I agree to getting sick as a part of the experience. lol You can keep it. I would rather not even trip if that's the price of admission.

Oh, and fun fact, I didn't even throw up with that nasty trip. I wanted to at some points, but it never got quite that bad.


Edited by LSA Woodrose (02/11/20 10:12 AM)


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26480042 - 02/11/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No lsa.
3grams is a hundred.
So it equaled out at about
300seeds. The trip got really
Strong but it has eased out now.
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26480054 - 02/11/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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ft116 said:
No lsa.
3grams is a hundred.
So it equaled out at about
300seeds. The trip got really
Strong but it has eased out now.
🏄‍♂️




lol If you're right, then that number is even MORE insane. But my understanding is that one ounce equals approximately 250 seeds. 10 grams is approximately 35% of an ounce, or a little over one third. So if my 250 per ounce is correct, or close, then you would have had a little over a third of 250, which is about 85-90 seeds.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26480098 - 02/11/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

He is taking heavenly blue morning glory seeds, those are way smaller. Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds are bigger and heavier.

With HBWR (hawaiian bany woodrose), 10 seeds is 1g. 10 seeds is one strong dose.

With HBMG (heavenly blue morning glory), several grams, or a couple of hundred seeds, is one strong dose.

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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26480147 - 02/11/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. That’s right pandemoon.
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26480392 - 02/11/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah. That’s right pandemoon.
👍




That's right, I forgot. We spoke about this at some length the other day, and you did mention you were planning on the MG. My bad.

I agree with you, Pandemoon, 10 HBW seeds is a heavy dose. I think the most I have ever taken was 8 at once, and it was even stronger since I just ate the seeds. So certainly, for example, outright eating 10 HBW seeds would be like having the equivalent of at least 14 seeds when extracting the LSA, depending upon the purity of your yield and how much LSA alkaloids you left behind in the seed pulp.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26484486 - 02/13/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

OK, so a semi trip report. I did a simple, 3 hour water extraction on about 14 Hawaiian Woodrose. I didn’t bother scraping them, because they didn’t really have a lot of fuzz on them, if any at all. I put the dose a little higher, because I had some about four days earlier, on Saturday. And I would assume with a mere four day cool down, there would be some diminishing effects, so I went with what I consider a pretty heavy dose.

I think I described above, but in case I didn’t I basically emptied out a standard teabag, I think it was from the Chinese food order the other day LOL. And after powdering the seeds in my coffee grinder I carefully dumped the powder into the empty tea bag, folded the top over, stapled it closed, with the teabag string attached with another staple so I could dunk it like a regular tea bag. About an hour and a half into the three our water extraction, I crushed up a garlic clove in a garlic press. I put the crushed garlic in a second tea bag, put that in the same almost opaque protein shake bottle that the crushed seeds teabags were in, and I left it for another hour and a half. Whenever I thought about it I swirled the mixture around, or dunked the teabag up and down to help it dissolve the LSA into the water.

To mitigate the high dose, I poured out half of the extraction solution, which represented about 250 mL to drink and I left the other 250 mL sitting in the tea bag and put it back in the refrigerator. Over the course of about 45 minutes I drank the first 250 mL, just sipping on it. Then two hours in I started sipping on the other 250 mL, slowly over the course of about an hour and a half.

To mitigate the high dose, I poured out half of the extraction solution, which represented about 250 mL. And I left the other 250 mL sitting in the tea bag and put it back in the refrigerator. Over the course of about 45 minutes I drank the first 250 mL, just sipping on it. Then two hours in I started sipping on the other 250 mL, slowly over the course of about an hour and a half.

It was definitely strong, but I’m a little disappointed in the lack of anything even approaching visuals. But, even though that was the largest does of HBW seeds have ever tried, I’m thinking that I need to wait at least a week and a half to two weeks again, because there was probably too much tolerance built up that didn’t dissipate completely in four days.

Oh, one thing I will say, is in the three times that I took seeds, since I bought the 50 pack, before joining this forum, I haven’t had a single bout of nausea. I mean, my stomach didn’t feel 100%, and I could definitely tell that nausea could have crept up on me if I had ingested more of the toxins. But I think the water extraction mitigates a lot of the cyanide precursors. Or at least leaves it in the seed pulp. It could also be that, as an avid cyclist and bodybuilder, for the last year I’ve been experimenting with intermittent fasting. Every single time I tried the seeds in the past few weeks, was on an empty stomach, in most cases fasting between 12 and 16 hours before ingesting any of the seed solution. I think fasting really helps calm down the nausea, but that’s anecdotal evidence only.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26484671 - 02/14/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Here are some pics of my
Grinder and the seed powder
In the Tupperware ready for
A extraction.
Hope it goes well. My seeds
Finally arrived. The heavenly
Blue species and I have
Got on to the extraction right
Away.
At the moment I have 10 grams
Of seed with 99%iso alcohol
Covering it. I am going to
Let it sit for 24hours. Then
Complete the extraction by
Pouring the alcohol off the
Seed powder and drying it
Out.



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    #26485581 - 02/14/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



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    #26485672 - 02/14/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. I’m a first class scientist.
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    #26485675 - 02/14/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just dedicated.
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26486196 - 02/14/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Here’s my setup.
Iso 99%
Tupperware dishes
The seeds
Scales.



Just started another 20gram extract.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26486325 - 02/14/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

ft116, how often do you trip on LSA seeds, whether MG or HBW? I ask because of how quickly the body builds up tolerance and how quickly that tolerance dissipates. Meaning, I tripped on HBW seeds two days ago, which was Wednesday. I ordered a full pound of Heavenly Blue MG seeds, which should get to me about 20K seeds or so.

By the way, what are your thoughts on using small, Pyrex bowls with tight-fitting lids rather than Tupperware? Plastic is a little more porous than glass, so I tend to trust the yields on glass a little more than plastic/rubber.

Oh, and what are your thoughts on a simple water extraction to get things started? I can do polar extraction, and I even have 99% Isopropyl, and invested in a metallic coffee strainer with tiny holes. The one below. I think I am also going to pick up an inexpensive gram scale. Any recommendations, or just any one would do?






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    #26486945 - 02/15/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. They look good.


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    #26487065 - 02/15/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ft116 said:
Yeah. They look good.




Thanks! What about my plan to wait until at least this coming Wednesday to trip again? As I said, I ordered a whopping full pound of Morning Glory seeds, Heavenly Blue as you recommended. They should be coming tomorrow.

Even though I am going from my last trip being HBW Seeds to MG seeds, since both are LSA alkaloids, is waiting a week necessary? Is it enough time, if waiting is necessary?


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26487297 - 02/15/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I usually wait for a few days
For the next trip. But I have
Tripped day after day
With some subtle results.
But all round a definite
Feeling of change In a good
Way. That’s what I get off
Morning glory seeds anyway.
I have experimented with hbwr
A good few times and the
Effects felt stronger and
More different to heavenly blue.
I would say stick to the heavenly
For a heavenly experience.
If I was you I would eat 50seeds
To start off with then increase the
Dose until it feels right.
Of course I would use an extraction
Technique. Never fancied the cold water
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26487324 - 02/15/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

At the moment I have got
A 10 gram seed extract
Evaporating as we speak.
It should be ready tommoro.
Then I have another 20 grams of
Morning glory seeds still
Extracting in the iso.
This will be ready on Monday.

Don’t know when I am going to
Dose again. Maybe after some
Sleep and rest. The last time I
Took them it was with the 10 gram
Extract that I posted.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26487458 - 02/15/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ft116 said:
At the moment I have got
A 10 gram seed extract
Evaporating as we speak.
It should be ready tommoro.
Then I have another 20 grams of
Morning glory seeds still
Extracting in the iso.
This will be ready on Monday.

Don’t know when I am going to
Dose again. Maybe after some
Sleep and rest. The last time I
Took them it was with the 10 gram
Extract that I posted.




Great! So a 10 gram extract would be starting with about 333 seeds for use in the extraction?


Quote:

ft116 said:
I usually wait for a few days
For the next trip. But I have
Tripped day after day
With some subtle results.
But all round a definite
Feeling of change In a good
Way.




So if I understand you correctly, I should be perfectly fine tripping on MG seeds one week, 7 full days, after my last HBWR last Wednesday?


Quote:

ft116 said:
That’s what I get off
Morning glory seeds anyway.
I have experimented with hbwr
A good few times and the
Effects felt stronger and
More different to heavenly blue.
I would say stick to the heavenly
For a heavenly experience.




Well, considering I bought a pound of the suckers, and for like $20.00 USD, I don't see myself switching from the Heavenbly Blue any time soon. If a healthy dose is using 300 seeds for the extraction, a pound of those Heavenly Blues should be about 45 trips. LMAO even if I was an ambitious enough psychonaut to go once a week, with only a few breaks in that frequency, that's a year's worth! Hahahaha what in the hell have I gotten myself into?

Oh! And that's not even counting the 125 or so HBW seeds I have left from my last order. :smile:



Quote:

ft116 said:
If I was you I would eat 50seeds
To start off with then increase the
Dose until it feels right.
Of course I would use an extraction
Technique. Never fancied the cold water
Extract prep.





I don't think 50 seeds is a great idea. Honestly, I am pretty used to the effects of the LSA in the HBW, and I have had as many as 12 seeds, with water extraction. Which I am sure is really about the equivalent of 10 seeds with a polar extraction. Anyway, 50 seeds is like the MG equivalent of eating 2 HBW seeds, right? If 300 MG seeds is a strong dose, and 10 HBW is a strong dose, then the math would seem to work out?

What about an alternate plan, sort of to play it safe and at least not have a totally weak trip. What if I water extract, say 300 seeds, BUT only sip on 1/3 of the solution over the course of about 30 minutes. Then with the water extracted 100 seeds in me, I can wait two hours from when I first started the sipping. If I feel like, "Uh, no, that's quite enough, thank you very much!" Then I will just leave the other 2/3 of the trippy mix in the fridge, and live to trip another day. If, on the other hand, I feel like I could use a little more, then I can always sip another 1/3 over 45 minutes, wait another hour or two and re-evaluate again.

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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26487899 - 02/16/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Basically my friend.
I think it’s all about trial
And error.
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    #26493082 - 02/19/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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ft116 said:
Basically my friend.
I think it’s all about trial
And error.
🤓




So how did your 10gram dosing go? Details! :smile:


Okay, so I decided to take a cue from you, but modified it to my newness to MG seeds. Last night I started a water extraction, just to get my feet wet. lol Pun intended. I started with the same 10grams of the Heavenly Blue MG seeds you did. It was a basic water extraction, where I put the seed powder into tea bags that I emptied, re-stapled them closed, and dunked them into water, leaving them in the fridge overnight 11'ish hours. I used around 600 mL of distilled water.

I poured about 200 mL of the solution into a glass about 30 minutes ago and have been sipping on it since. I set the other 400 mL aside in the fridge. I can decide later if I want/need to drink more. For now, though, 1/3 of about 333 seeds (i guess 111 seeds worth) is more than enough to see if I want more or would rather stand pat on the 111+ seed dose. Plus, with water extraction, I believe you leave a decent amount of the LSA in the pulp, so this may end up being very mild. I'll see in a bit.


Interesting note: With HBW seeds I only need one teabag for 12+ seeds, about the same comparative dose to 10g MGs. Because there was so much seed matter in about 334 MG seeds, I needed to empty 3 teabags.


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    #26493173 - 02/19/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

A strong dose of HBMG water extract is ~800 seeds.  That's my dose unless I'm forming and dosing some of the stronger aldehyde adducts.


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    #26493269 - 02/19/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

800 seeds?!
Fuckin hell.


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    #26493510 - 02/19/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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ft116 said:
800 seeds?!
Fuckin hell.




I was about to say the same thing, but he may not be so far off with a water extraction. I took the original 200/600mL of the water extracted 10 grams (about 334) seeds at 10:45AM EST slowly sipping over about 40 minutes. Then I drank another 100mL an hour later, then slowly over the next two hours, drank the rest. I definitely feel it, and am probably peaking now, due to the staggered doses. But I think flickedbic might be right. Because all things considered, this is really nice, but very mild. I'm fine with it mild, lol it is the middle of the week. I'm pretty sure, however, that extracting with a stronger polar solution like 99% Isopropyl alcohol or Everclear for that same 300+ seeds would give a much more potent trip.

I think for water extraction, he may be right on the money in terms of strong dose, but for an alcohol extraction, I think your dose is a lot closer to what at least my target would be for a heavy trip.


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    #26495064 - 02/20/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

800 seeds is definitely not an out there dose for Heavenly Blues.


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    #26495217 - 02/20/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Really?
Goddamnit
That’s too strong.


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    #26495352 - 02/20/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Too strong? No 27 HBWR seeds and 400 Heavenly blues was too strong, and 17 HWBR the night after ayahuasca had me half passed out immersed in complex orange and red geometry without a fucking clue who I was for 9 hours, came to around an hour before my friend who was in the same boat as me and went into rapid cleaning mode because we'd forgotten to close the windows and the cottage was absolutely filled with dead fish flies before passing back out, that was intense bit still not too much.


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    #26495759 - 02/20/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Lophophora said:
800 seeds is definitely not an out there dose for Heavenly Blues.




Thats a huge dose! I typically do an 7.5gram methanol extract. Thats my sweet spot. I think 7.5grams MG seeds is about 300-400 seeds. 800 is deep tripping!


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    #26496613 - 02/21/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just ate 10gram seed
Extract. So I am guessing
300+seeds. Will report
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I have 20gram left.
And another 50gram of
The seeds extracting.


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    #26497366 - 02/21/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Let me know how that goes, ft116!

Also, I want to reiterate something, a question and assumption of sorts. For those saying that Lophora and flickthebic are dosing too heavy, is it possible that water extraction is mitigating a lot of the high dose of seeds? My guess would be that if one were to do a non-polar/polar extraction, or even just a polar extraction with alcohol, that same 800 MG seeds would be devastating, but with water, maybe not?


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    #26497375 - 02/21/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Water and alcohol seem like poor extractors in my experience, so they need lots of soaking time to work. Like a week in a cool, dark environment. I would argue that water is better at extracting than alcohol, at least in my experience.

But the best solvent is methanol. Very effective. Just gotta make sure u evaporate it in a safe area. For more info, check my journal.


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    #26497546 - 02/21/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So far it has been and still
Is a nice strong smooth
Trip. I can honestly say
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    #26497555 - 02/21/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

In total I ate another 10grams.
I only leave my seeds in the
Iso overnight. It seems to
Work fine. I am pretty sure
It extracts all the alkaloids.
The effects are just like ingesting
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    #26497559 - 02/21/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Its definitely an awesome substance, that's for sure.

It was only after I used methanol did I discover the true magic of LSA.


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    #26497846 - 02/21/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
Its definitely an awesome substance, that's for sure.

It was only after I used methanol did I discover the true magic of LSA.




I will definitely try this. If I remember right, you skip the non-polar extraction and just go right to the methanol and then evaporate it off? So, assuming no non-polar wash, about how much methanol per batch of seeds? Solution time in closed jar? Then I assume you pretty much just strain the methanol solution, discard the seeds, and then evaporate the methanol?

Also, methanol, ethanol, and isopropyl are all alcohols. So assuming one is using Everclear as their ethanol, 99% isopropyl alcohol, or methanol, shouldn't the results overall be very similar? They are all non-polar solvents and all alcohols that should be easy enough for the LSA to bind to on the molecular level. Unless I'm missing something, which lol is totally possible. You guys know a lot more than me about all this!


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26497879 - 02/22/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, i skip the non-polar wash but Im thinking of trying it again. Ive never tried it with a methanol extraction.

Yes, those are the steps. Only issue is evaporating methanol is toxic so it must be done outdoors or near a place with ventilation.

In my experience, methanol is the best. Ive tried Everclear and its just not the same at all. No where near the same extraction "power" as Methanol.

But Ethanol does work, just not as well. Make sure u use amber jars whenever doing extractions.


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    #26497946 - 02/22/20 03:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Might be that I usually do my heavenly blues via CWE in acidified water, definitely a dose that leaves me paralyzed for the peak though but I also tend to prefer that type of experience.


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Do u add cirtic acid with water? Ive heard it works well Morning Glory seeds. Never tried it thou.


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    #26498334 - 02/22/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I use anhydrous citric acid in the water, just a bit.


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