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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26487899 - 02/16/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Basically my friend.
I think it’s all about trial
And error.
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26493082 - 02/19/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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ft116 said:
Basically my friend.
I think it’s all about trial
And error.
πŸ€“




So how did your 10gram dosing go? Details! :smile:


Okay, so I decided to take a cue from you, but modified it to my newness to MG seeds. Last night I started a water extraction, just to get my feet wet. lol Pun intended. I started with the same 10grams of the Heavenly Blue MG seeds you did. It was a basic water extraction, where I put the seed powder into tea bags that I emptied, re-stapled them closed, and dunked them into water, leaving them in the fridge overnight 11'ish hours. I used around 600 mL of distilled water.

I poured about 200 mL of the solution into a glass about 30 minutes ago and have been sipping on it since. I set the other 400 mL aside in the fridge. I can decide later if I want/need to drink more. For now, though, 1/3 of about 333 seeds (i guess 111 seeds worth) is more than enough to see if I want more or would rather stand pat on the 111+ seed dose. Plus, with water extraction, I believe you leave a decent amount of the LSA in the pulp, so this may end up being very mild. I'll see in a bit.


Interesting note: With HBW seeds I only need one teabag for 12+ seeds, about the same comparative dose to 10g MGs. Because there was so much seed matter in about 334 MG seeds, I needed to empty 3 teabags.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26493173 - 02/19/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

A strong dose of HBMG water extract is ~800 seeds.  That's my dose unless I'm forming and dosing some of the stronger aldehyde adducts.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: flickedbic]
    #26493269 - 02/19/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

800 seeds?!
Fuckin hell.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26493510 - 02/19/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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ft116 said:
800 seeds?!
Fuckin hell.




I was about to say the same thing, but he may not be so far off with a water extraction. I took the original 200/600mL of the water extracted 10 grams (about 334) seeds at 10:45AM EST slowly sipping over about 40 minutes. Then I drank another 100mL an hour later, then slowly over the next two hours, drank the rest. I definitely feel it, and am probably peaking now, due to the staggered doses. But I think flickedbic might be right. Because all things considered, this is really nice, but very mild. I'm fine with it mild, lol it is the middle of the week. I'm pretty sure, however, that extracting with a stronger polar solution like 99% Isopropyl alcohol or Everclear for that same 300+ seeds would give a much more potent trip.

I think for water extraction, he may be right on the money in terms of strong dose, but for an alcohol extraction, I think your dose is a lot closer to what at least my target would be for a heavy trip.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26495064 - 02/20/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

800 seeds is definitely not an out there dose for Heavenly Blues.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26495217 - 02/20/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Really?
Goddamnit
That’s too strong.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26495352 - 02/20/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Too strong? No 27 HBWR seeds and 400 Heavenly blues was too strong, and 17 HWBR the night after ayahuasca had me half passed out immersed in complex orange and red geometry without a fucking clue who I was for 9 hours, came to around an hour before my friend who was in the same boat as me and went into rapid cleaning mode because we'd forgotten to close the windows and the cottage was absolutely filled with dead fish flies before passing back out, that was intense bit still not too much.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26495759 - 02/20/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Lophophora said:
800 seeds is definitely not an out there dose for Heavenly Blues.




Thats a huge dose! I typically do an 7.5gram methanol extract. Thats my sweet spot. I think 7.5grams MG seeds is about 300-400 seeds. 800 is deep tripping!


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26496613 - 02/21/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just ate 10gram seed
Extract. So I am guessing
300+seeds. Will report
Back.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26496631 - 02/21/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have 20gram left.
And another 50gram of
The seeds extracting.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497366 - 02/21/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Let me know how that goes, ft116!

Also, I want to reiterate something, a question and assumption of sorts. For those saying that Lophora and flickthebic are dosing too heavy, is it possible that water extraction is mitigating a lot of the high dose of seeds? My guess would be that if one were to do a non-polar/polar extraction, or even just a polar extraction with alcohol, that same 800 MG seeds would be devastating, but with water, maybe not?


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26497375 - 02/21/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Water and alcohol seem like poor extractors in my experience, so they need lots of soaking time to work. Like a week in a cool, dark environment. I would argue that water is better at extracting than alcohol, at least in my experience.

But the best solvent is methanol. Very effective. Just gotta make sure u evaporate it in a safe area. For more info, check my journal.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497546 - 02/21/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So far it has been and still
Is a nice strong smooth
Trip. I can honestly say
That I am in love with LSA.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116] * 1
    #26497555 - 02/21/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

In total I ate another 10grams.
I only leave my seeds in the
Iso overnight. It seems to
Work fine. I am pretty sure
It extracts all the alkaloids.
The effects are just like ingesting
The seeds.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26497559 - 02/21/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Its definitely an awesome substance, that's for sure.

It was only after I used methanol did I discover the true magic of LSA.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497846 - 02/21/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Its definitely an awesome substance, that's for sure.

It was only after I used methanol did I discover the true magic of LSA.




I will definitely try this. If I remember right, you skip the non-polar extraction and just go right to the methanol and then evaporate it off? So, assuming no non-polar wash, about how much methanol per batch of seeds? Solution time in closed jar? Then I assume you pretty much just strain the methanol solution, discard the seeds, and then evaporate the methanol?

Also, methanol, ethanol, and isopropyl are all alcohols. So assuming one is using Everclear as their ethanol, 99% isopropyl alcohol, or methanol, shouldn't the results overall be very similar? They are all non-polar solvents and all alcohols that should be easy enough for the LSA to bind to on the molecular level. Unless I'm missing something, which lol is totally possible. You guys know a lot more than me about all this!


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26497879 - 02/22/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, i skip the non-polar wash but Im thinking of trying it again. Ive never tried it with a methanol extraction.

Yes, those are the steps. Only issue is evaporating methanol is toxic so it must be done outdoors or near a place with ventilation.

In my experience, methanol is the best. Ive tried Everclear and its just not the same at all. No where near the same extraction "power" as Methanol.

But Ethanol does work, just not as well. Make sure u use amber jars whenever doing extractions.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26497946 - 02/22/20 03:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Might be that I usually do my heavenly blues via CWE in acidified water, definitely a dose that leaves me paralyzed for the peak though but I also tend to prefer that type of experience.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26497951 - 02/22/20 03:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Do u add cirtic acid with water? Ive heard it works well Morning Glory seeds. Never tried it thou.


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