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OfflineLophophora
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26479463 - 02/11/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

And in my opinion the purgative entheogens should be unpleasant to ingest, that's half the experience to me including the nausea and emesis.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26479570 - 02/11/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well lsa. Here is my extract outcome.
From 10 gram of seeds mixed in
99%iso. Soaked for a day then pour
The alcohol off and dry.
This is what I got.



I have eaten half of it this morning
And I already feel nice and good
Ready for the day.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Lophophora]
    #26479897 - 02/11/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ft116 said:
Well lsa. Here is my extract outcome.
From 10 gram of seeds mixed in
99%iso. Soaked for a day then pour
The alcohol off and dry.
This is what I got.



I have eaten half of it this morning
And I already feel nice and good
Ready for the day.




Whoa! :eek: 10 grams was your starting point? That's almost 100 seeds, half of which would be a whipping 50 seeds! Even with LSA loss from our various primitive extractions, isn't that an insane amount of consumption?

Although, the last time I did an alcohol extraction, I left the seed pulp in the alcohol for over 2 full days. So maybe you didn't extract as much LSA? Either way, that is a boatload of seed extract you ate.


That said, I hope youre having an AWESOME Trip! :mushroom2:


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Lophophora said:
And in my opinion the purgative entheogens should be unpleasant to ingest, that's half the experience to me including the nausea and emesis.




I am sorry to hear about the state of your teeth. I hope you have a good dentist!

While I understand your philosophy, which is almost Shamanic, and I get the idea that the "getting sick" is part of the trip, going back to the American Indian spirit journeys, as far as I'm concerned, no f*cking thanks! The last time I did pure Hawaiian Woodrose, by straight eating with no extraction, I got a helluva bout of nausea. I only ate about 8 seeds, mind you, but NEVER, ever again. Getting sick and that nasty feeling just set the tone for the entire trip, and the whole thng just completely sucked. I hated the nausea, and it negatively colored the whole trip.

I don't give a crap what the Indians and Shamans say. I'll take a tab of acid and deal with 12 hours of..."Bzzzzzzzzz Bzzzzzzzz Bzzzzzzz!" before I agree to getting sick as a part of the experience. lol You can keep it. I would rather not even trip if that's the price of admission.

Oh, and fun fact, I didn't even throw up with that nasty trip. I wanted to at some points, but it never got quite that bad.


Edited by LSA Woodrose (02/11/20 10:12 AM)


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26480042 - 02/11/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No lsa.
3grams is a hundred.
So it equaled out at about
300seeds. The trip got really
Strong but it has eased out now.
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The mushrooms are fine.
Give me them with lashings of wine.


Edited by ft116 (02/11/20 11:49 AM)


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26480054 - 02/11/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ft116 said:
No lsa.
3grams is a hundred.
So it equaled out at about
300seeds. The trip got really
Strong but it has eased out now.
🏄‍♂️




lol If you're right, then that number is even MORE insane. But my understanding is that one ounce equals approximately 250 seeds. 10 grams is approximately 35% of an ounce, or a little over one third. So if my 250 per ounce is correct, or close, then you would have had a little over a third of 250, which is about 85-90 seeds.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26480098 - 02/11/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

He is taking heavenly blue morning glory seeds, those are way smaller. Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds are bigger and heavier.

With HBWR (hawaiian bany woodrose), 10 seeds is 1g. 10 seeds is one strong dose.

With HBMG (heavenly blue morning glory), several grams, or a couple of hundred seeds, is one strong dose.

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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26480147 - 02/11/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. That’s right pandemoon.
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26480392 - 02/11/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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ft116 said:
Yeah. That’s right pandemoon.
👍




That's right, I forgot. We spoke about this at some length the other day, and you did mention you were planning on the MG. My bad.

I agree with you, Pandemoon, 10 HBW seeds is a heavy dose. I think the most I have ever taken was 8 at once, and it was even stronger since I just ate the seeds. So certainly, for example, outright eating 10 HBW seeds would be like having the equivalent of at least 14 seeds when extracting the LSA, depending upon the purity of your yield and how much LSA alkaloids you left behind in the seed pulp.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26484486 - 02/13/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

OK, so a semi trip report. I did a simple, 3 hour water extraction on about 14 Hawaiian Woodrose. I didn’t bother scraping them, because they didn’t really have a lot of fuzz on them, if any at all. I put the dose a little higher, because I had some about four days earlier, on Saturday. And I would assume with a mere four day cool down, there would be some diminishing effects, so I went with what I consider a pretty heavy dose.

I think I described above, but in case I didn’t I basically emptied out a standard teabag, I think it was from the Chinese food order the other day LOL. And after powdering the seeds in my coffee grinder I carefully dumped the powder into the empty tea bag, folded the top over, stapled it closed, with the teabag string attached with another staple so I could dunk it like a regular tea bag. About an hour and a half into the three our water extraction, I crushed up a garlic clove in a garlic press. I put the crushed garlic in a second tea bag, put that in the same almost opaque protein shake bottle that the crushed seeds teabags were in, and I left it for another hour and a half. Whenever I thought about it I swirled the mixture around, or dunked the teabag up and down to help it dissolve the LSA into the water.

To mitigate the high dose, I poured out half of the extraction solution, which represented about 250 mL to drink and I left the other 250 mL sitting in the tea bag and put it back in the refrigerator. Over the course of about 45 minutes I drank the first 250 mL, just sipping on it. Then two hours in I started sipping on the other 250 mL, slowly over the course of about an hour and a half.

To mitigate the high dose, I poured out half of the extraction solution, which represented about 250 mL. And I left the other 250 mL sitting in the tea bag and put it back in the refrigerator. Over the course of about 45 minutes I drank the first 250 mL, just sipping on it. Then two hours in I started sipping on the other 250 mL, slowly over the course of about an hour and a half.

It was definitely strong, but I’m a little disappointed in the lack of anything even approaching visuals. But, even though that was the largest does of HBW seeds have ever tried, I’m thinking that I need to wait at least a week and a half to two weeks again, because there was probably too much tolerance built up that didn’t dissipate completely in four days.

Oh, one thing I will say, is in the three times that I took seeds, since I bought the 50 pack, before joining this forum, I haven’t had a single bout of nausea. I mean, my stomach didn’t feel 100%, and I could definitely tell that nausea could have crept up on me if I had ingested more of the toxins. But I think the water extraction mitigates a lot of the cyanide precursors. Or at least leaves it in the seed pulp. It could also be that, as an avid cyclist and bodybuilder, for the last year I’ve been experimenting with intermittent fasting. Every single time I tried the seeds in the past few weeks, was on an empty stomach, in most cases fasting between 12 and 16 hours before ingesting any of the seed solution. I think fasting really helps calm down the nausea, but that’s anecdotal evidence only.


Edited by LSA Woodrose (02/13/20 11:18 PM)


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26484671 - 02/14/20 04:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Here are some pics of my
Grinder and the seed powder
In the Tupperware ready for
A extraction.
Hope it goes well. My seeds
Finally arrived. The heavenly
Blue species and I have
Got on to the extraction right
Away.
At the moment I have 10 grams
Of seed with 99%iso alcohol
Covering it. I am going to
Let it sit for 24hours. Then
Complete the extraction by
Pouring the alcohol off the
Seed powder and drying it
Out.



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The mushrooms are great.
The mushrooms are fine.
Give me them with lashings of wine.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26485581 - 02/14/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



Edited by LogicaL Chaos (02/14/20 04:11 PM)


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: Blabble40]
    #26485672 - 02/14/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. I’m a first class scientist.
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26485675 - 02/14/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just dedicated.
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26486196 - 02/14/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Here’s my setup.
Iso 99%
Tupperware dishes
The seeds
Scales.



Just started another 20gram extract.


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The mushrooms are great.
The mushrooms are fine.
Give me them with lashings of wine.


Edited by ft116 (02/14/20 09:53 PM)


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26486325 - 02/14/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

ft116, how often do you trip on LSA seeds, whether MG or HBW? I ask because of how quickly the body builds up tolerance and how quickly that tolerance dissipates. Meaning, I tripped on HBW seeds two days ago, which was Wednesday. I ordered a full pound of Heavenly Blue MG seeds, which should get to me about 20K seeds or so.

By the way, what are your thoughts on using small, Pyrex bowls with tight-fitting lids rather than Tupperware? Plastic is a little more porous than glass, so I tend to trust the yields on glass a little more than plastic/rubber.

Oh, and what are your thoughts on a simple water extraction to get things started? I can do polar extraction, and I even have 99% Isopropyl, and invested in a metallic coffee strainer with tiny holes. The one below. I think I am also going to pick up an inexpensive gram scale. Any recommendations, or just any one would do?






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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26486945 - 02/15/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. They look good.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26487065 - 02/15/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ft116 said:
Yeah. They look good.




Thanks! What about my plan to wait until at least this coming Wednesday to trip again? As I said, I ordered a whopping full pound of Morning Glory seeds, Heavenly Blue as you recommended. They should be coming tomorrow.

Even though I am going from my last trip being HBW Seeds to MG seeds, since both are LSA alkaloids, is waiting a week necessary? Is it enough time, if waiting is necessary?


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26487297 - 02/15/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I usually wait for a few days
For the next trip. But I have
Tripped day after day
With some subtle results.
But all round a definite
Feeling of change In a good
Way. That’s what I get off
Morning glory seeds anyway.
I have experimented with hbwr
A good few times and the
Effects felt stronger and
More different to heavenly blue.
I would say stick to the heavenly
For a heavenly experience.
If I was you I would eat 50seeds
To start off with then increase the
Dose until it feels right.
Of course I would use an extraction
Technique. Never fancied the cold water
Extract prep.


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The mushrooms are great.
The mushrooms are fine.
Give me them with lashings of wine.


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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26487324 - 02/15/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

At the moment I have got
A 10 gram seed extract
Evaporating as we speak.
It should be ready tommoro.
Then I have another 20 grams of
Morning glory seeds still
Extracting in the iso.
This will be ready on Monday.

Don’t know when I am going to
Dose again. Maybe after some
Sleep and rest. The last time I
Took them it was with the 10 gram
Extract that I posted.


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The mushrooms are fine.
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Re: Dosing & Ingestion Question - LSA/Woodrose Seeds [Re: ft116]
    #26487458 - 02/15/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ft116 said:
At the moment I have got
A 10 gram seed extract
Evaporating as we speak.
It should be ready tommoro.
Then I have another 20 grams of
Morning glory seeds still
Extracting in the iso.
This will be ready on Monday.

Don’t know when I am going to
Dose again. Maybe after some
Sleep and rest. The last time I
Took them it was with the 10 gram
Extract that I posted.




Great! So a 10 gram extract would be starting with about 333 seeds for use in the extraction?


Quote:

ft116 said:
I usually wait for a few days
For the next trip. But I have
Tripped day after day
With some subtle results.
But all round a definite
Feeling of change In a good
Way.




So if I understand you correctly, I should be perfectly fine tripping on MG seeds one week, 7 full days, after my last HBWR last Wednesday?


Quote:

ft116 said:
That’s what I get off
Morning glory seeds anyway.
I have experimented with hbwr
A good few times and the
Effects felt stronger and
More different to heavenly blue.
I would say stick to the heavenly
For a heavenly experience.




Well, considering I bought a pound of the suckers, and for like $20.00 USD, I don't see myself switching from the Heavenbly Blue any time soon. If a healthy dose is using 300 seeds for the extraction, a pound of those Heavenly Blues should be about 45 trips. LMAO even if I was an ambitious enough psychonaut to go once a week, with only a few breaks in that frequency, that's a year's worth! Hahahaha what in the hell have I gotten myself into?

Oh! And that's not even counting the 125 or so HBW seeds I have left from my last order. :smile:



Quote:

ft116 said:
If I was you I would eat 50seeds
To start off with then increase the
Dose until it feels right.
Of course I would use an extraction
Technique. Never fancied the cold water
Extract prep.





I don't think 50 seeds is a great idea. Honestly, I am pretty used to the effects of the LSA in the HBW, and I have had as many as 12 seeds, with water extraction. Which I am sure is really about the equivalent of 10 seeds with a polar extraction. Anyway, 50 seeds is like the MG equivalent of eating 2 HBW seeds, right? If 300 MG seeds is a strong dose, and 10 HBW is a strong dose, then the math would seem to work out?

What about an alternate plan, sort of to play it safe and at least not have a totally weak trip. What if I water extract, say 300 seeds, BUT only sip on 1/3 of the solution over the course of about 30 minutes. Then with the water extracted 100 seeds in me, I can wait two hours from when I first started the sipping. If I feel like, "Uh, no, that's quite enough, thank you very much!" Then I will just leave the other 2/3 of the trippy mix in the fridge, and live to trip another day. If, on the other hand, I feel like I could use a little more, then I can always sip another 1/3 over 45 minutes, wait another hour or two and re-evaluate again.

What do you think? :mushroom2:


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