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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26516551 - 03/04/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got dominated on Super Tuesday
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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26516645 - 03/04/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The lesson seems to be never underestimate the establishment.
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True dat
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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: ballsalsa]
#26516700 - 03/04/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who is the establishment? I've been hearing a lot about it on this forum lately, but I have no idea who you're talking about.
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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: Enlil] 1
#26516711 - 03/04/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Third way Democrats, their Republican allies and the wealthy few that own them all
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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: ballsalsa]
#26516874 - 03/04/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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That gives me almost zero information.
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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: Enlil]
#26517016 - 03/04/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe this is simpler?
The establishment serves billionaires, not the 99%.
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Okay, maybe we're not communicating well. Can you list some names I might have heard of? I'm trying to figure out SPECIFICALLY who they are...right now, they sound like a shadowy group, much like the illuminati.
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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: Enlil]
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Have you heard of Bloomberg, Biden, Buttigieg, or Klobuchar?
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I've heard of all of them. They don't have a lot in common. How do you know they are members of the establishment?
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#26517233 - 03/04/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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How do I know their policies protect the rich at everyone else's expense? By looking at their policies.
Are any promoting policies to help the working class like Bernie is and Warren was?
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Yeah, they are. How does universal health care with a public option help the rich? How does it not help the working class?
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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: Enlil]
#26517256 - 03/04/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think "the establishment" conjures images of smoke filled rooms and various characters shaking hands. The word is morphing as the most " establishment " presidental canidate was Dwight Eisenhower (over 5 decades ago)
But looking for a proper noun, badge, or insignia will yeild no "establishment".
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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: Enlil] 1
#26517259 - 03/04/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Medicare for all is paid for by an income based premium, which puts more burden on the rich (though they don't necessarily pay a higher percentage), and is less expensive for at least 95% of the population.
A public option is paid for out of pocket by the working class.
Next question?
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Nah, I got my answer: establishment is whomever you disagree with.
I don't know why I thought you'd have an actual answer.
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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: Enlil]
#26517272 - 03/04/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I (and others) explained it to you, you chose to ignore the explanation.
Should I explain it again with the corresponding example, or would you care to explain why you disagree?
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I can't agree or disagree. It's a word. It has a meaning. You've told me your meaning which, once tested, breaks down to being anyone you disagree with. I'm fine knowing that. It'll help me understand what you're saying when you use the term.
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Re: Political Market Wagering [Re: Enlil]
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Why don't you summarize that test of yours so we understand your logic. I'm not seeing it.
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#26517474 - 03/04/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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establishment is an umbrella term like progressive or conservative. It can take many forms but the main thing in common is a desire to maintain the status quo set in the 80's and preserved through today via the illusion of choice between the 2 major political parties in this country. Establishment is not a secret society with card carrying members. People working to preserve the establishment or carrying water for it can hold differing opinions on many things. The establishment can be a campaign volunteer trying to go back in time to the Obama years, not even realizing the going backwards can only bring you to where you are. That's a fairly innocuous example. A pawn of the system, if you will. The establishment can also be personified in the billionaire that attempts to buy the presidency or the ones that buy media outlets with which to influence public opinion or stoke public fears in order to perpetuate a system that has placed them so far above the common man. Finally, the establishment is the collective group of lobbyists, legislators and other figures of political power that work (not necessarily on concert) to continue the downward spiral. Motive is not relevant here. Some might be malicious. Some might be oblivious. Some might just be trying to pay their mortgage. Some might think they are doing the right thing. The point is that their collective actions come together to stay the course and keep rolling into this neo-liberal/neo-conservative single party nightmare. The establishment are the folks who think that they can stop the revolution but they're wrong. The revolution is coming, one way or the other. The only question now is whether we want a political revolution a la Bernie Sanders or whether we let Trump push humpty-dumpty off the wall and wait for shit to really get weird.
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