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What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline?
#26472663 - 02/06/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've heard mescaline is extremely intense. Is 2 (12") cacti worth of it (2x the starter dose) stronger (more likely to cause a bad experience) than 5g shrooms or 650ug acid?
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26472677 - 02/06/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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2ft is a strong experience. If u want the full experience, i highly recommend Mescajuana which is when u take a huge bong rip 2hrs into your mescaline trip.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
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It’s going to vary heavily depending on the genetics of the cactus. If you’re really going to consume 2 feet you’re going to want to hope it’s of mediocre potential. 2 feet is too much.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Amanita86]
#26472778 - 02/06/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don’t believe there are bad experiences. 😊
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26472842 - 02/06/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Depends entirely on the cactus, I mean I've done a lot and I mean a LOT of mescaline both cactus and extracted and taken over a gram at one point. Heaviest dose of cactus was 6 feet of strong cactus and I was shifting between completely lucid and and being in a different world for 18 hours and still feeling it over 24 hours later. I've always found mescaline to be intense but gentle.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Lophophora] 1
#26473008 - 02/06/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Different cacti have different strengths, go for bridgesii.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: PsychoReactive]
#26473070 - 02/06/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I’m using bridgesii, so the dosage shouldn’t be too inconsistent
Someone on this forum recommended it to me in one of my threads.
So what to expect from 2x bridgesii?
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus] 1
#26473723 - 02/07/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You'll be in for a ride.
No, it won't be stronger than 650mics of acid, or 5g of shrooms. But it might last the whole day /night. Mescaline just keeps pushing and pushing. When acid starts to wear off mescaline is just fully peaking. I like to combine both.
Even bridgesii can vary in potency. 2 feet is not a mild dose. If it's average than it's a very solid dose. If it's very potent cactus than you trip hard for 16 to 20 hours. The dosage curve is non linear. Two feet are stronger than twice as strong as one.
A normal dose of mescaline is gentle in comparison to shrooms or acid. High doses can get heavy though.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Pandemoon]
#26474209 - 02/07/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Trip for 16-20 hours?? Thats fucking crazy.
If I drop at like 10am do you think I'll be able to sleep at a reasonable time? Like 2am or before?
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus] 2
#26474319 - 02/07/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you have any photos of that bridgesii KJ? If its thick cuttings then 2 feet of bridgesii will be a very very strong trip. It will be very intense and last really long. Words cant really prepare you for what it will be like. I've only done that much bridgesii a couple of times. But those were the strongest trips of my life. A high dose bridgesii trip is just as intense as high doses of mushrooms, but it lasts much longer, so you're in that deep, vulnerable psychedelic state for a really long time. Be careful.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Grey Fox]
#26474337 - 02/07/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here's the cutting:


This is the concentrated mescaline juice (tea?) of a little over 4 feet of cactus:

Do you think it will be as powerful as a heroic dose? I'd ideally like it to be at least little less powerful... but I am looking for pretty heavy trip
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26474338 - 02/07/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn, nice work. Looks like a potent tea. Its gonna be a power experience. I bet ya.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26474351 - 02/07/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hard to tell the thickness from that photo, but that bridgesii looks nice. 2 feet is definitely a heroic dose, as long as the tea was prepared properly and you didnt waste a lot of the goodies. From my experience 2 feet of fat bridgesii is much stronger than 5 dried grams of cubes. The intensity was equivalent to really big cube trips I have done (10+ dried grams), but the trip lasted much longer. Be prepared for a really strong trip and be safe.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Grey Fox]
#26474354 - 02/07/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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As a phenethylamine, is mescaline is much less likely to cause a bad trip?
What I've read about it is that it's super intense but you still remain in control of your mind compared to shrooms.
If I wouldn't do more than 5g of shrooms should I not do this dose, in your opinion?
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26474362 - 02/07/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: As a phenethylamine, is mescaline is much less likely to cause a bad trip?
But bad trips don't exist
I wouldn't start with 2ft, especially if i haven't worked with that cactus previously.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: BabylonRuleDem] 1
#26474365 - 02/07/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bad mushroom trips don't exist
Would 1.5ft be sufficient for a very heavy trip, considering 1ft is the "starter dose?"
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26474381 - 02/07/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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2 ft for a medium to heavy dose. 3ft+ for a heavy dose.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26474385 - 02/07/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Damn, nice work. Looks like a potent tea. Its gonna be a power experience. I bet ya.
Thanks!
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LogicaL Chaos said: 2 ft for a medium to heavy dose. 3ft+ for a heavy dose.
Then 2ft is perfect
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26474388 - 02/07/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enjoy yourself. It will be an intense trip. Remember to drink it slowly, theres no need to rush. Its a slow-acting drug that lasts like 18 hours. Drink it slowly over say an hour. I find it works better that way.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26474405 - 02/07/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: Bad mushroom trips don't exist 

If you want a very heavy trip do the 2ft. I wouldn't advise starting with that, but do as you do.
If you decided to take the 2ft be prepared for a strong experience. Mescaline is like the energizer bunny it just keeps going and going and going.
Hopefully you saved a tip of one of those cuttings for propagation.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus] 2
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LogicaL Chaos said: 2 ft for a medium to heavy dose. 3ft+ for a heavy dose.
Are you out of your mind son? Two feet will put you square on your ass and three will make concepts like language lose all meaning.
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Korean Jesus said: As a phenethylamine, is mescaline is much less likely to cause a bad trip?
They’re a different headspace than shrooms which are a little more weird. Remember, you’re going to be really amped up and feeling like you took speed along with it. Low doses are just all around wonderful for the most part but when you get into 2, or God forbid 3 feet it’s gonna pull you apart. You will read what’s in between the lines so to speak. And 2 feet, if you manage to hold it down for awhile you will still feel it 24 hours later. There’s an aspect of exhaustion that comes along with these experiences. It will wear down your defenses like a mental bench press.
Try to....... keep safety #1 now, let’s be adults.... try to have fire around whether a candle or oil lamp etc. Preferably something like an oil lamp that you can set and forget if you get what I’m saying..
To be honest I would recommend you do half the jar. What I would have said is split both cacti, prepare half of each and plant half of each.. give/take and whatnot but now you’ll know to do that next time. Take half and let it sit for awhile and if you feel like upping the ante you can. Keep in mind it will take a while to kick in.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Amanita86]
#26474431 - 02/07/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The jar is 4 feet for me and my friend 
So you you think 1.5ft is more what I’m looking for? I just don’t want an underwhelming trip after all that went into it and I don’t want to waste a weekend where I can throw a day (not many coming up).
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Amanita86]
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Mescaline is pretty easy to handle, so even medium-higher doses are pretty easy to handle. Mescaline also has a slow dose curve, so it takes a lot to get to a really high dose.
2ft is definitely doable for someone who has experience with other psychedelics like mushrooms and LSD.
At 300mg is a common dose, but a heavy dose is at 700mg, more than twice the common dose. With dosing, mescaline is forgiving because of its slow dose curve: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mescaline/mescaline_dose.shtml
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26474459 - 02/07/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well,
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I suppose some torches just burn brighter than others. KJ’s gotta do what KJ’s gotta do so, I wouldn’t go over 2, plus being it’s a first time the allergy test comes into play. I wouldn’t feel right saying go for three feet. You’re just hardcore bruh, that’s what that is..
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Amanita86]
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All cacti are not created equal. You have to compare apples to apples. That looks like healthy, decent sized Bridgesii. Its not the same as PC or most Peruvianus. Its much stronger. The idea that a big bridgesii trip will be easy to handle because its mescaline... this notion is just wrong.
OP do what you want, but remember that once the trip starts thats when everything gets real. I would recommend you drink 1 foot worth for this one, but do whatever you think is best. Just be prepared that 2 feet of bridgesii will be a huge trip and all the talk about how easy it'll be to handle will mean nothing then.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Grey Fox]
#26474530 - 02/07/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Grey Fox said: All cacti are not created equal. You have to compare apples to apples. That looks like healthy, decent sized Bridgesii. Its not the same as PC or most Peruvianus. Its much stronger. The idea that a big bridgesii trip will be easy to handle because its mescaline... this notion is just wrong.
OP do what you want, but remember that once the trip starts thats when everything gets real. I would recommend you drink 1 foot worth for this one, but do whatever you think is best. Just be prepared that 2 feet of bridgesii will be a huge trip and all the talk about how easy it'll be to handle will mean nothing then.

I'd start with this amount of any cactus. Never know what you got till you try it, and you can't take less once its down the hatch. Can always take more later.
Plus if you take 1ft of each cacti you obtain you'll have crude way of measuring relative potency.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: BabylonRuleDem] 1
#26475294 - 02/08/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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how long do i have to hold this shit down? took 1.5 an hour ago, it feels pretty great but i feel like throwing up soooo bad. don’t wanna lose any mescaline
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26475364 - 02/08/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I always try to keep it down for 2 hour before letting the gates open.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Lophophora] 1
#26475372 - 02/08/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Try to not puke at all.
Good vibes. Cactus is amazing. And 2 feet is quite a dose.
Though your tea does not look too saturated, 4 feet worth should look darker imo. How long and how often did you boil it?
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26475490 - 02/08/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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How’s it coming along?
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Pandemoon]
#26475535 - 02/08/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Try to not puke at all.
Good vibes. Cactus is amazing. And 2 feet is quite a dose.
Though your tea does not look too saturated, 4 feet worth should look darker imo. How long and how often did you boil it?
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Yeah, you don't have to throw up. It will just make you want to really bad. Its best to drink slowly, have a chaser item (salty chips, fresh fruit, etc) and ride the sickening waves till its over.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
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this is definitely, by far, the best psychedelic i’ve ever taken. and that was only 1.5ft
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26475619 - 02/08/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice dude!
Its definitely one of the best classic psychedelics, without a doubt.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26475737 - 02/08/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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i don’t think im ever going back to another psychedelic
this is so much better than lsd/shrooms
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus] 1
#26475756 - 02/08/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Glad you've joined the ranks of cactus lovers, been far too long since I've had any. Seriously hope you saved the tops to grow otherwise you'll need to order yourself some to get started. Got pachanoi, pachanoi x peruvians, L. williamsii and hoping to get some bridgesii going soon.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus] 1
#26475760 - 02/08/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: i don’t think im ever going back to another psychedelic
this is so much better than lsd/shrooms
Lets not get carried away here.
But yes, mescaline is amazing for sure.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus] 2
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Korean Jesus said: i don’t think im ever going back to another psychedelic
this is so much better than lsd/shrooms
I came to the same conclusion about 5 years ago.
Glad to hear that you decided to go with a foot and a half. Sounds like you're having an amazing time. Enjoy and be safe!
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Grey Fox] 1
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Length is hard to go by. I think weight should be noted as well. Some feet can weight over 1000 grams, others 500 grams. I was going to suggest 2 feet. Sounds like you’re having a great time! So perfect!
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how am i still tripping on this shit lmao. sooo much longer than acid
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Cacti experiences feel more like Journeys than Trips to me. The trip is so long, it feels like you travel thru a vast space of time.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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it is nearly 3am est and i and i am still tripping! dropped at 9:45 am...
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
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sounds great man! glad you had a good experience
how would you compare the intensity of your dose to acid or shrooms?
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Mescaline is the Rolls Royce of psychedelics. Expensive, gentle and comfy, but so powerfull at the same time. It takes a long time to prepare, takes hours peak, the trip lasts literally the whole day, and comming down takes as long as the come up. A real journey.
My first time I took like 18 inches in total, a mix of a potent non-pc pachanoi + bridgesii. Peaked for roughly 16 hours, and still felt it slightly 30 hours after ingestion.  Totally convinced me that cactus s tthe best medicine on earth. So good. 
Weed intensifies the trip a lot. Great synergy.

Time to start a cactus garden, right? A healthy plant grows more than a foot per year. Plant half a dozen cuttings and you can trip multiple times per year, with no costs.
How is your buddy feeling?
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#26476770 - 02/09/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Time to start a cactus garden, right?
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Pandemoon] 1
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acidgoofy said: sounds great man! glad you had a good experience
how would you compare the intensity of your dose to acid or shrooms?
The intensity felt like a few hundred mics at the peak. Pretty intense but nothing too ridiculous. It felt more intense than 3g but far less than 5g (I've never dosed in between)
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He loved it! Nausea was unpleasant for me but went away but it lasted a little while longer for him. That was the only negative aspect of the trip though, and it was far outweighed by the good.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26477317 - 02/09/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Glad things worked out for ya’ll.
To avoid making another thread I’ll just ask here since we’re all here.. Anyone ever try or want to venture a guess on what snorting/drinking cacti tea through your nose is all about? I’ve yet to get a clear cut answer explaining what all that is.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26478097 - 02/10/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: The intensity felt like a few hundred mics at the peak. Pretty intense but nothing too ridiculous. It felt more intense than 3g but far less than 5g (I've never dosed in between)
Honestly it should have hit you harder than that. Next time try to improve your technique for brewing tea. Dont dehydrate the pieces first. Brew the tea for a long time (12+ hours) without first dehydrating the pieces. When you capture more of the alkaloids the intesity becomes really strong with bridgesii.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Grey Fox]
#26478115 - 02/10/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It definitely hit me pretty hard. Maybe the gentleness was a factor but the reason I rated it as less than a heroic dose or a gargantuan amount of acid is that I could communicate very well and my headspace was quite clear even as I was seeing crazy visuals and feeling warm energy.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26478149 - 02/10/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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When the dose is higher it becomes really hard to talk or move during the peak of the trip. Bridgesii also tends to cause muscle cramping and bad vomitting at the higher doses. I've been there with as little as 9 inches of really strong bridgesii, but usually about 18 inches of good bridgesii is when those sort of symptoms start for me. Did you use all of the cactus material or discard part of it?
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Grey Fox]
#26478169 - 02/10/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I discarded the core, as I was told it contains very little mescaline and a lot of nauseating agents.
It was definitely hard to move at the peak, but I'm not sure if it was because nausea made me really not want to move. Definitely no muscle cramps.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26478193 - 02/10/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well I guess these things effect everyone differently. Next time around maybe try not dehydrating the cactus first and use the entire cutting and you may find that it hits even harder. Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us.
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Grey Fox]
#26478199 - 02/10/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'll definitely try not dehrydating but the nausea was pretty bad even without the core, I don't think I could stomach putting it in
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Re: What to expect from 2 cacti worth of mescaline? [Re: Amanita86]
#26478214 - 02/10/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ive seen natives do that on documentaries. They drink either Ayahuasca or cacti tea thru the nose. Perhaps it because cacti tea has the consistence of snot .
Perhaps its also because u taste it less that way? Also might have an effect on the nose absorbing the alkaloids. I couldnt do it, would be very uncomfortable.
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