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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19519525 - 02/04/14 08:04 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

I keep seeing stuff that argues against what you're saying. The following quote is by 69Ron, who is well known on multiple drug message boards for he contributions to extraction methodology.


AFOAF has not noticed much from light degradation, but even in a light proof air tight container LSA only lasts a few years and starts going bad.

So don’t extract a giant amount and expect it to keep for many years.

One thing that AFOAF has noticed which damages LSA easily is boiling it in water. It’s ok for the first 5 minutes or so, but if you keep boiling it all gets destroyed.

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There's a very big range of potency variation with LAA. Are you sure that wasn't the cause of your weak preparations?

Source: Genest K. Changes in ergoline alkaloids in seeds during ontogeny of Ipomoea violacea. J Pharm Sci 1966;55:1284–682.



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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
    #19519567 - 02/04/14 08:30 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Da2ra, youve supplied me with alot of good reading here buddy. I agree there is a lot of information going against what Im saying, but first hand trials are what Im going to go by. 69ron has alot of great posts all over the web and for the most part I trust he has tested and tested his theories. It is fully possible I have weak seeds, or a massive tolerance to LSA. But I have a hard time getting on the band wagon when light, oxygen, and heat seem to be destroying my LSA. At the end of the day though I am very much an amateur and could be fucking it all up somewhere that I dont see.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #19519777 - 02/04/14 09:54 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Wow some nice extractions, beautiful.

I'm planning on trying this method
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35607

I will definitley try your method Zombi3 looks like some good stuff.
How potent would you say your extract is? How much in mg do you have to take for a strong trip?


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: PsychedelicWizz]
    #19519952 - 02/04/14 11:12 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

My first LSA experience was with 8 seeds and a CWE. Had a nice trip enhanced greatly by mary jane.
My second was with 10 seeds and i crushed them up, placed in teabags, and soaked in 92% isopropyl overnight.
I poured the mix in a pyrex pan and evaporated, then scraped up the gunk and placed in a gel casule.
The trip felt like 100ug of LSD and all was good, great in fact! and the nausea wasnt too bad. About 4 hours in i foolishly went to taco bell with my buddies and munched down.
When i got home i felt so sick and vomitted outside quite a bit.
While i was vomitting the trip turned into insanity. My whole field of vision was pixellated and covered in frightening fractals.
My friends who dont trip(only smoke herb) got so worried and thought i was really sick. I knew it was just the nausea from the LSA but i couldnt explain to them that i was alright, i had such a hard time vocalizing what i meant because i was tripping so hard.
After 30 mins i came down and i felt alright then went to sleep.

It was probably the taco bell and not the iso extraction that did me in but just some food for thought. If i ever do HBWR again itll be a CWE because of this experience


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: PsychedelicWizz]
    #19520698 - 02/04/14 02:36 PM (10 years, 13 days ago)

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Wow some nice extractions, beautiful.

I'm planning on trying this method
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35607

I will definitley try your method Zombi3 looks like some good stuff.
How potent would you say your extract is? How much in mg do you have to take for a strong trip?





let me know how that extract goes, think i'm gonna try the CWE extract with some purified or distilled water for my first..i have enough seeds coming my way to to do it but want to try a few before I do anything really big.  Trying to get stocked up for this summer, i wanna have some fun not really doing anything other than actual family L at the end of last year and I cant find any right now...so LSA will work until then


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: homegrown99.9]
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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: s240779]
    #19520997 - 02/04/14 03:29 PM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Another question, the liquid you get after extracting and washing the seeds with could you keep in a darker vial and dose a type of candy to eat it with and how many drops would be a good dose if you do about a half oz of hwbr extraction?


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: Zombi3]
    #26471184 - 02/05/20 10:06 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

This is a VERY clever extraction, @Zombi3, but I have a few questions:

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9. Youll be left with a jar containg 3 ethanol pulls, and a jar with the 1 water pull.

Go ahead and setup a funnel and to it add enough ativated charcoal to fill it right to the top, fancy a way to prevent the charcoal from falling out the bottom. Using cold distilled water make sure the charcoal is plenty wet, just run a bunch of water over it.

Take your ethanol extracts and slowly pour them through this charcoal filled funnel at least 3 times, collect the now very clean alcohol and evaporate it as quick as possible in the dark using no heat.

Now pour your water extract through the same charcoal without rinsing it. Do this at least 3-5 times and collect the now essentially clear water. Evaporate this quickly in a dark room using no heat.




I'm curious about something. Are these filtration steps entirely necessary? If you're left with three ethanol pulls plus the water pull described above, and you are discarding the leftover seed pulp anyway, then why bother running through activated charcoal in this phase? I could be wrong, but since this isn't for a laboratory grade, where purity is absolutely vital, and most people simply chew the seeds whole, wouldn't the amount of particulate matter one is removing with the several passes over activated charcoal be negligible in terms of nausea-inducing? Moreover, I would personally think (again, I may be wrong) that you would lose some precious LSA that didn't go all the way through the activated charcoal, and wouldn't this be worse than ingesting a very small amount of the seed pulp that one would be working so hard to get rid of?

Seems to me that when doing this method, so much of the seed pulp at the end would be getting tossed in the garbage anyway. Am I wrong in assuming it would be all right, maybe even preferable, to simply skip the activated charcoal filtration(s) all together? This way one would just skip ahead to letting all the alcohol evaporate in the 3 alcohol pulls and the water evaporate in the water pull, then combining them as you suggested  later in the process, and ingesting those trace amounts of leftover pulp, knowing you are discarding the vast majority of it anyway?   

Don't get me wrong, I get the cool chemistry involved, and the desire to have the purest yield possible with the least amount of even trace seed pulp ingested at the end. But, and forgive me for saying this, this step seems like overkill, and has the diminishing return issue of leaving a little LSA from all 4 pulls behind with all the many charcoal filtrations. Unless I am totally wrong here, I think I would rather have the little trace amounts of the seed pulp.

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Zombi3 said:Scrape together both resulting extracts when both have finished evaporating. Mix them as good as possible and dissolve in a small amount of drinking alcohol, I used 94% ethanol, you could use vodka. Measure your alcohol so that 1ml = 1 dose, or whatever strength your looking for. I dissolve my gunk into an amount of ethanol so that 1ml = 10HBWR seeds.





I can totally see doing all this if one is hypothetically extracting from 100 to 500 HBW seeds at a time. If for no other reason than to preserve the LSA in very compact doses. Presumably the sealed little bottles of ethanol-LSA solution act as a preservative, and one could have many months of doses from one pull. But if one is not a heavy user, and simply wants to extract LSA from, say 30 to 50 HBW seeds at a time, representing 2-4 doses, can this alcohol suspension be skipped?

Thanks!


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26471280 - 02/05/20 11:36 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Why all this trouble with seeds extracting and such to have a psychedelic experience?  Get some LSD, easy enough.

I’ve ate my share of HBWR. Found thirty or so a comfortable dose. Morning glory seeds, eaten those as if popcorn at the movies. Never tried extracting. Never saw too much negative to consuming whole.

Find it funny all the trouble to get to a peak experience that can be gotten by other matter with simplier ways and means


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #26471320 - 02/06/20 12:15 AM (4 years, 10 days ago)

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Why all this trouble with seeds extracting and such to have a psychedelic experience?  Get some LSD, easy enough.

I’ve ate my share of HBWR. Found thirty or so a comfortable dose. Morning glory seeds, eaten those as if popcorn at the movies. Never tried extracting. Never saw too much negative to consuming whole.

Find it funny all the trouble to get to a peak experience that can be gotten by other matter with simplier ways and means




Well, for starters, I live in NY City, but I have no idea where to even look for acid, and unlike weed, which is pretty much decriminalized and one or two steps away from legal, LSD is hard to come by. I have literally no idea where to get it, who to ask, and how to do so without severe felony risk.

Also, while you are essentially correct, LSD is an incredibly intense experience, and I haven't done it in decades. It may be too intense for me at this point in my life, to be completely honest. I am in great shape, fitness expert and all, but at the end of the day I'm not sure I can handle a full blown acid trip. I am not opposed to trying, or at least maybe even a half or three quarters of a hit to get my feet wet...again. But LSA, shrooms, and other organic stuff is a lot milder, not to mention I can actually get Hawaiian Woodrose seeds easily enough. LSD, like I said, not even the first clue where to look, who to ask, or where to find safe contacts.


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Re: Just a couple questions about extracting LSA form HBWR [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26472619 - 02/06/20 07:15 PM (4 years, 10 days ago)

Okay, sorry for the double post, but in my defense, I posted the last one yesterday. Anyway, something just occurred to me. I did a 6 seed, very easy and unsophisticated water extraction last week, right about when I started what is turning out to be a one week attempt at a non polar/polar extraction. I did that because I didn't want to wait a week to get my feet wet, but I also wanted to keep it very low key. So I assume with such a low brow water pull I made, using a homemade tea bag and some garlic of all things, that with the 6 seed water pull I did, I would be lucky if I got 3 seeds worth of actual LSA.

Anyway, the question that just occurred to me is this:

I am toward the end (slowly evaporating the 91% Isopropyl now) of a one week attempt at 25 seeds. So my question is, why even go through the bother of the polar step at all? My understanding is that the non-polar extraction, for which I used Naptha, should be all that's needed. Let me explain my reasoning, and maybe its sound, maybe not. If the Naptha is used to pull out all the fat soluble toxins, then why even bother with the actual extraction? Am I wrong in assuming that once the Naptha or other non polar solvent evaporates, assuming my reasoning is correct, then don't the poisons go bye-bye along with the Naptha evaporation?

Why not just eat the now-dried powdered seed bolus and be done with it? I assume its not this simple, though?


Note: If someone could please answer the question I asked in this post as well as the ones I posed in my first post here, I would really appreciate it!


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