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InvisibleHartford
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Holier than thou types... * 2
    #26472233 - 02/06/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I see people striving for enlightenment who want to correct everybody. Well, guess what? I welcome it anytime because that makes me better faster stronger, etc.

Yea, when someone corrects ME, I say thank you, I appreciate your help. And when I see people striving for spiritual excellence, I say, more power to you, dear friend, because from the heart are the issues of life. Better to try and fail than to not try at all.

Should it not be so in any loving community of individuals?


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: Hartford]
    #26472345 - 02/06/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I see people striving for enlightenment who want to correct everybody. Well, guess what? I welcome it anytime because that makes me better faster stronger, etc.

Yea, when someone corrects ME, I say thank you, I appreciate your help. And when I see people striving for spiritual excellence, I say, more power to you, dear friend, because from the heart are the issues of life. Better to try and fail than to not try at all.

Should it not be so in any loving community of individuals?




I often find that holier than thou types don't exist and when they do in the true sense of the phrase they tend to either have clearly discernible mental issues and/or a lack of intelligence. What I find to be the majority case and I would put that at 90%+ is people with inferiority complexes projecting their inverse insecurities on others because it gives them a quick exit out of a confrontation and makes them feel like they won.

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I see people striving for enlightenment who want to correct everybody.




Enlightenment is achieved under fire and crucible. One method of this is strongly debating/correcting/welcoming correction. In the process of, for instance, correcting a person, I am able to see aspects of myself and beliefs I didn't before.


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Well, guess what? I welcome it anytime because that makes me better faster stronger, etc.




As it does for the person airing the correction.. Even moreso if they're doing it properly. You can only parrot their correction if you don't go off and do the research and crucible work they did to arrive at it. Whereas they are further refining something they already established. You aren't being given anything for free here although your ego will tell you .. you are. The other person is extracting equal value.

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Yea, when someone corrects ME, I say thank you, I appreciate your help. And when I see people striving for spiritual excellence, I say, more power to you, dear friend, because from the heart are the issues of life. Better to try and fail than to not try at all.




Encouragement and direction come in many forms. One of the least forms is a shallow pat on the back.
Rarely is someone kicking another person down and when you strongly air something that is wrong, you deserved to get kicked down. It is a service to you and to the truth that your a muddying.


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Should it not be so in any loving community of individuals?




Love isn't just some fuzzy feeling you have. It's one of the most complex things in the universe and can be expressed in an infinite degree or in a form a person might take negatively. If a person takes out of their precious time to detail how you are wrong and correct you, they 'love' you far more than the person who doesn't care/doesn't want to waste their time and instead smiles in your face and pats you on the back and says good luck. If you have enough sensibility, you are able to tell the difference easily. If you are emotionally immature, you think love is always supposed to be peaches and cream and fall for shallow bullshit versions.


Why the strong language/correction here?
I love you and want you to be a better person....
:nicesmile:

This is what tough love feels like and is a component of any healthy community that seeks to GROW and CHANGE. Otherwise, we'd just be patting each other on the backs all daying saying job well done.

So, 'holier than thou types'.. They don't exist. Only an inferior mind believes in such nonsense.
I'm dirt and everyone else around me is. So, you can't be holier than thou. You're a spec of dirt.
Now, lets see if you can give me similar tough love and care or if you're just gonna pat me on the back...
I like it rough and spicy
:bashful:


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #26472406 - 02/06/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

"Love is the absence of judgement."

- Dalai Lama


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

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The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: r00tcmplx] * 1
    #26472441 - 02/06/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Your post was deleted r00tcmplx but I will say it anyway...

For some people like me, spirituality is not about debating and dissecting arguments. That is philosophy. It's about trying to use practical means (ie meditation) to get to a space beyond concepts, beyond the rational mind. But I am not suggesting that is where everyone is, or should be. Beyond sharing a few quotes and things that might be of interest to some people on a similar journey, I don't think I can help anyone at this point. I can love and care about people, but I can't really help them, not until I fix myself, so that's where my focus lies :peace:


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

~ Rumi



The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: Hartford]
    #26472738 - 02/06/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I see people striving for enlightenment who want to correct everybody. Well, guess what? I welcome it anytime because that makes me better faster stronger, etc.

Yea, when someone corrects ME, I say thank you, I appreciate your help. And when I see people striving for spiritual excellence, I say, more power to you, dear friend, because from the heart are the issues of life. Better to try and fail than to not try at all.

Should it not be so in any loving community of individuals?




Well aren't you just so much fucking better that everyone...btw, you come across as one of those holier than thou types with this kind of post

How come people that claim to be enlightened are all egotistical about it instead of humble anyway?


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26472788 - 02/06/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I wasn't being egotistical. I genuinely want to help people by encouraging good conversations


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: Hartford]
    #26472832 - 02/06/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You aren't being egotistical but made a post to talk yourself up about qualities you have that other don't?  Seems like the definition of egotistical to me... If you are the way you say then why is there a need to announce it to the world? Because your EGO wants you to look "good" to people that read this, that's why


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26472931 - 02/06/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

What can I do to prove to you that I'm not driven by ego in this post?


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: Hartford]
    #26472946 - 02/06/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Who am I to you?  I'm nobody
What do you care what I think?
Why would you need to prove to me that you aren't being driven be ego?


You say these things because your ego is leading you...

To answer your question, there is nothing you can say that will convince me of something that isn't true


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26472957 - 02/06/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

What would be a better way to correct those trolls who despise spirituality and hate being rebuked?


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: Hartford]
    #26472984 - 02/06/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I would say it's rarely fruitful to engage them at all.  If someone needs corrected, life will usually take care of that for them :wink:


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: Hartford]
    #26473025 - 02/06/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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For those of you with high hopes about peace and prosperity this decade, let me assure you, God will humble you.

How much disappointment it will take before you submit is entirely up to you, but there won't be any extravagant psychedelic rennaisance to save you from Matthew, Mark and John.

The best coarse of action is to take hold of the garmet of a Jewish man and help him follow the Torah.

It's the only way you're going to find relief from the test that is to come.




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I'm going to stop going to church so much




Looking at some on your recent posts, you come across as really condescending

Everyone is on their own path and people that try to jam their ideals and beliefs down other people's throats as if they are just speaking truth are the cause of many problems.

To directly answer your question, why would you bother trying to correct people's opinions? Why are those that "despise spirituality" assumed to be trolls?

If religion works for you, great.  It doesn't mean it's your job to bring people over to your side


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #26473163 - 02/07/20 01:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

"When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger." -Confucius


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Re: Holier than thou types... [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26473357 - 02/07/20 07:02 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Lol, yes. Exactly.

It's like..."How dare you have dirt under your fingernail when pointing me in the right direction!" :mad:


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