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My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist * 1
    #26471874 - 02/06/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I do not believe in bad mushroom trips. I think what people call bad trips are them not accepting what their brain is trying to tell them. Yes, heavy trips can be extremely unpleasant, but learning about yourself and what your brain thinks, wants, and fears on a primal level is not "bad."

On my heroic dose, there were large stretches of time where I was terrified. I don't mean just a bit scared, I mean genuinely the most scared I have ever been in my life. However, I realized while it was happening that I had to be terrified in order to understand what my brain was trying to convey to me. This trip helped me get rid of anxieties and overall has had a profoundly good impact on my life because instead of rejecting what my brain was trying to tell me, I accepted and internalized it.

As a bonus, once I accepted it, the trip became much better, even becoming extremely euphoric and amazing.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26471877 - 02/06/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I stoped doing acid because Iv had a few bad trips. Granted they definitely help shape who I am today but I’d say it’s bad when you watch yourself get killed over and over again.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: SFS96]
    #26471885 - 02/06/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

IMO bad trips can happen on acid. It's not purely a tryptamine and your fears on it can be irrational rather than based in truth. Although even on ridiculous doses (almost 700ug), when my walls were transforming into paintings from my childhood and I was hearing sounds that definitely weren't there (I thought my friend was playing music on the phone and told him to stop when he wasn't), I've had uncomfortable periods but never a "bad trip." Acid is usually kinder than shrooms in part because of its phenethylamine component.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus] * 3
    #26471973 - 02/06/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Your argument is based on the idea that no one could possibly have a different experience from what you have had, which is bad logic in general. Just because you haven't had one yet that doesn't mean they don't exist. Different people can have different experiences from what you have had, that's normal in life in general, but seems to be a hard concept to grasp for a lot of people.

Not believing in the existence of bad trips is like not believing the world is round. Whether or not you believe in them, bad trips exist anyway.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: nooneman]
    #26471977 - 02/06/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Bad trips are people experiencing bad emotions unearthed by their brain. But this is only a bad thing if you don't accept what your brain is trying to tell you. Bad emotions do not constitute a bad trip.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26471982 - 02/06/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm a believer of no such thing as bad trips, just difficult ones, whatever it may mean to the user.


Now if you ingest something and go for a walk on the highway then that is entirely different category.... Lol


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: bolt_snap_bolt]
    #26472078 - 02/06/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Call it whatever you want. It sucks when it happens to you, I’m sure.

I haven’t really had a bad trip exactly but then again I’m cautious with where, when and how much I dose. I do believe in them and I don’t want to have one.


If you think it’s just going to be as easy as telling your brain to enjoy it, when you’re in a fully psychotic state due to a high dose and/or some psychotic break triggered by it, I think that is being naive.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: mendocino_beano]
    #26472081 - 02/06/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I agree that you can’t tell yourself to enjoy it. But if you’re having a bad time it’s not because you’re having a bad trip, it’s because your brain is trying to tell you unpleasant truths.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: mendocino_beano]
    #26472102 - 02/06/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

you can't be an idiot with these drugs. people have bad trips for a myriad of reasons but the biggest one is because they believe it. I haven't had the crazy scary experiences people talk about experiencing because i've already experienced them in sober life myself. psychedelics have helped me figure out why I tried to kill myself, face those darknesses, realize they're not scary and move forward. we create our own reality, our own hell, our own fears. which means we're capable of unlearning them if we look deep enough into ourselves. some people see this shit and get freaked the fuck out like a buncha pussies and run from their feelings and that's okay, keep giving psychedelics a bad name. I find the people who have bad trips don't know what theyre doing with these substances and find themselves in situations where they can't process reality momentarily and just assume the substance itself was bad instead of realizing they didn't have a fucking clue what they were taking. I was aware of psychedelics, had used dmt multiple times and still waited 10 years to try shrooms and cid because of how afraid I was of the substances. I knew they were always there if I was ready and even when I thought I was ready, I was still floored.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26472108 - 02/06/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I agree that you can’t tell yourself to enjoy it. But if you’re having a bad time it’s not because you’re having a bad trip, it’s because your brain is trying to tell you unpleasant truths.



you can't tell yourself to enjoy it, but you can question why you're experiencing fear in the situation, think about what is so scary about it, tell yourself you're tripping, ask if this is not the experience you were seeking? I ask myself questions until I forget why I was worried, scared or upset in the first place.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: mendocino_beano]
    #26472125 - 02/06/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Call it whatever you want. It sucks when it happens to you, I’m sure.

I haven’t really had a bad trip exactly but then again I’m cautious with where, when and how much I dose. I do believe in them and I don’t want to have one.


If you think it’s just going to be as easy as telling your brain to enjoy it, when you’re in a fully psychotic state due to a high dose and/or some psychotic break triggered by it, I think that is being naive.





I can remember most of what happened through out my psychotic breaks and it was never pretty, but the thing that held me back from growth was thinking others could tell me and fix what was wrong with me when that's purely of my own doing. the fear might have seemed very real, but it wasn't and that makes the fear irrational, so you have to look behind what you think was going on and face what actually happened. until you look into the voids of your mind you're going to continue to feel that fear. but fear is an extremely overstated emotion in most peoples lives, I personally don't fear death from most of my activities, and i've come to accept that if I die during certain activities it was worth going that way because living in fear is absurd.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26472128 - 02/06/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

if you believe bad trips exist, you'll likely experience one, what was the worst trip you had? would you consider this a bad trip? why or why not?

if you believe you can learn from all your trips, you likely will, can you experience discomfort during a trip and still have a good time? how do you decide when a trip is good or bad? is there not discomfort at some point from every tripping experience? how do you differentiate these benefits from other drugs you consume?


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26472142 - 02/06/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have certainly experienced discomfort during trips but it’s almost always been rational discomfort. The few times I’ve become paranoid it subsided when I thought about other things. But when the discomfort was a result of unresolved issues, I had to think through them and resolve them in order to break free (which is supremely useful!)

For me, I’ll decide that I’ve had a bad trip if its net benefit is negative. That could mean I was scared the whole time and didn’t derive anything from it, or that I did learn some important things but it wasn’t worth it. This has never happened to me, although mushrooms have almost always been scarier than acid.

I don’t do any drugs other than psychedelics and weed (and alcohol). Weed is similar in that it can make you uncomfortable with harsh truths when you smoke a lot of it, although I feel my intellect is dampered and I find it much harder to think through these things. Still, it can be good to be confronted with things you’d usually bury. I decided to only smoke at most twice a week while really high, not sober.

Although I will say as I’ve tripped more often fear/discomfort has been greatly reduced so that I can now sometimes to entire trips without many negative feelings at all. Maybe it’s because I’ve resolved things that bothered my subconscious, maybe it’s because I’m better able to cope, but either way it does feel like a true measure of mental wellbeing is if you can control your thoughts on drugs that make you psychotic.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26472144 - 02/06/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I guess the "bad trip" thing kind of depends on the way you define it. But irrational thoughts can exist in your mind anywhere, anytime, on any substance. Certain mental disorders might make someone essentially live in irrationality. I know some people who would say basically the exact opposite as you on the whole mushrooms Vs LSD truth thing. So it kind of just depends on the individual. Often times negative emotions and thoughts on a trip is your mind trying to work through certain things though so I agree with you there.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: azramb]
    #26472162 - 02/06/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I just keep asking myself why I’m scared when I’m having a bad time and it usually leads to self discovery in the process. That’s the whole point of rabbit holing yourself. You become so self aware that you can work past a lot of things but only if your open to change. I embrace all change if I believe I’m becoming a better person but Figuring out  that balance is a very personal.
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I guess the "bad trip" thing kind of depends on the way you define it. But irrational thoughts can exist in your mind anywhere, anytime, on any substance. Certain mental disorders might make someone essentially live in irrationality. I know some people who would say basically the exact opposite as you on the whole mushrooms Vs LSD truth thing. So it kind of just depends on the individual. Often times negative emotions and thoughts on a trip is your mind trying to work through certain things though so I agree with you there.





I’ve only had one psychotic break on psychedelics and I basically had locked myself home alone without social interaction except to get food and drinks for a month and went on a drug binge and self exploration. I recovered very shortly after the break. The break is what inspired all the very rapid change in my life afterward. I got to the point I wanted to kill myself again and boom breakthrough free of all that bondage. Obviously everyone has a different experience but I feel like a brand new person. I felt my previous psychotic breaks I had sober were pushing me towards these changes as my disconnect between my thoughts and reality had grown apart too much and needed realignment but just needed a push to get me there.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus] * 3
    #26472268 - 02/06/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Bad trips are people experiencing bad emotions unearthed by their brain. But this is only a bad thing if you don't accept what your brain is trying to tell you. Bad emotions do not constitute a bad trip.






Out of my 250+ trips or so over the past 10+ years I've only had two trips that I would put the "bad trip" label on, and neither occurred until after many years of working with psychedelics...

...and neither had anything to do with "bad emotions" being unearthed. The situation was way more complex than that.

Experiencing uncomfortable emotions is just a part of tripping, comes with the territory :shrug:, especially with mushrooms. Uncomfortable & difficult times does not = a bad trip IMO.




Just wait until you have experienced delusions or a psychotic break of sorts while soaring high on a psychedelic....I think then you'll have a much different idea of what a "bad trip" truly is like .

And I feel your point of view is a bit naive if you think bad trips can happen on LSD but not while on mushrooms....such things can happen from any psychedelic.

People have had incredibly bad trips from just cannabis :shrug:  .



Delusions...psychosis...losing control of one's self, acting out wildly with out being aware of one's actions....having something traumatic happen while tripping.....There are many different ways a trip can go "badly" .





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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: openmind]
    #26472272 - 02/06/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Unless you’ve taken a ridiculous dose that you cannot handle, going  pyschotic doesn’t mean you’ve had a bad trip, it means you couldn’t handle the truths your brain was revealing to you behind the walls you put up to protect yourself


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26472303 - 02/06/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Unless you’ve taken a ridiculous dose that you cannot handle, going  pyschotic doesn’t mean you’ve had a bad trip, it means you couldn’t handle the truths your brain was revealing to you behind the walls you put up to protect yourself



Thank you for your diagnosis dr. Jesus I feel better now


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: mendocino_beano]
    #26472319 - 02/06/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

mock me all you want but outlook is everything. it’s very hard to have a bad trip if you internalize the fact that mushrooms are teachers and sometimes teachers must give tough love


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26472339 - 02/06/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I am following this thread, it looks like it is about to devolve into semantics over the term “bad trip”,  or escalate into a hilarious game of “I know better than you”.

Feels like it happens a lot around here, but, let the excitement begin. 😎


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater] * 1
    #26472359 - 02/06/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don’t believe that mushrooms show or teach you anything that isn’t already inside your head. It’s just a catalyst. It’s not a teacher it’s a tool. You’re the teacher and the student.

There’s a difference between getting overwhelmed with negative thoughts and having a psychotic break. It’s difficult to imagine what does through somebody’s head when they’re unhinged like that. It’s not logical.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26472361 - 02/06/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Your opinion is just that, what one considers bad is all that it needs to be. If I'm full of anxiety, just want it to end and having a terrible time... that's a bad trip.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: mendocino_beano]
    #26472363 - 02/06/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don’t believe that mushrooms show or teach you anything that isn’t already inside your head. It’s just a catalyst. It’s not a teacher it’s a tool. You’re the teacher and the student.

There’s a difference between getting overwhelmed with negative thoughts and having a psychotic break. It’s difficult to imagine what does through somebody’s head when they’re unhinged like that. It’s not logical.



I very much agree with this.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater] * 2
    #26473354 - 02/07/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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looks like it is about to devolve into semantics over the term “bad trip”,  or escalate into a hilarious game of “I know better than you”.




Yup.

KJ, how long have you been working with psychedelics?
It seems you're pretty new to it. And, while you have a good comprehension of the things you read subsequent to your limited experiences, they're just that: limited. It seems you're very steadfast to the latest findings and concepts of neuroscience and psychology... both of which are fields teeming with controversy and subjectivity. It doesn't seem like you've had many personal accounts of much of the things you speculate about.

Bad might be a bad word to use for it. Traumatic is more apt and you can't tell someone that any experience, psychedelic or not, has not caused them trauma. A single visual instance can cause permanent trauma. Dreams can cause permanent trauma. Suppressed memories and emotional responses, too, can absolutely cause permanent trauma. Pair that potential susceptibility with a psychedelic influence and you have yourself a 'bad trip'. To say that trauma isn't valid and 'bad' is disrespectful and naive.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26473384 - 02/07/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Bad trips don’t exist, huh?
Ok, go eat a few grams at home, turn The Ring or Us or smthn like that on the TV and watch it start to finish.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473415 - 02/07/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

again I don't think this would cause a bad trip as long as you thought about the fears you experienced during that experience and why they were scary. sounds like a fun science experiment to me. i'm not about to face that part of my mind right now but I might seek to satisfy that curiosity at some point as that sounds like an extremely daunting mental task.
its now up there on my list with tripping on a plane for "ideas that are probably not very good, but would be a very unique mind opening experience."


you have nothing to fear but fear itself. I heard that once somewhere a time or two, apparently a wise man once said it. to truely integrate every psychedelic experience in your life completely would be confronting the fears you experienced and realizing how those unreal concepts are manifesting themselves in the reality of your life from my experience.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26473424 - 02/07/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You’re just not experienced enough imo. Filling your mind space with horrific shit on mushrooms is NOT a “fun” idea. It won’t be powerful, there won’t be much revelations, it won’t be therapy on steroids - it’ll just be horrific.

No offense dude, but if you don’t respect the mush, you’ll find out all about bad trips soon enough....


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26473430 - 02/07/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Most film/television is ridiculous to me when I'm tripping. I don't like most scary/gory/thriller movies normally and if I happen to catch it when I'm tripping, I usually find myself laughing at it.
I had a small subset of friends who made a habit of it, in fact. I didn't join them often, but would from time to time.

Fear plays only a part in bad trips. There's a level of pain and loss that predominates what I would classify as a bad trip. Fear is usually the result and usually comes after the trip is over. Waking up for months after an isolated incident with that same displacement and mental agony is enough to strike fear into anyone... confronting it doesn't necessarily make it go away.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26473435 - 02/07/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It’s not about gore or violence. It’s the background music and suspense. It’s just too much - you’re loading your subconscious with horrific thoughts.

I took a couple grams before going to see Us...shit was not fun...knives in the corner of my eye and shit.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473443 - 02/07/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Haunted houses can be fun on cid,... but just about everything is short of riding in a car... I hate that shit. Get so tense I hurt for days after


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473444 - 02/07/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You’re just not experienced enough imo. Filling your mind space with horrific shit on mushrooms is NOT a “fun” idea. It won’t be powerful, there won’t be much revelations, it won’t be therapy on steroids - it’ll just be horrific.

No offense dude, but if you don’t respect the mush, you’ll find out all about bad trips soon enough....





no offense dude, but if you understood the power of your mind and the power of these substances you would have no problem going balls deep into a horror flick while tripping your ass off. I don't watch horror movies as I don't find them scary. I find the genre interesting but realistically i've been at deaths door multiple times, said hello, had a drink with the chap and he sent me back here. fear is just a concept of the mind, and as long as you're aware of yourself you will be able to handle this experience just fine. it's not very high up on my list of things to seek out, but you've just entered the possibility of it into my mind, that created a void I never realized was there and I can try to find the value in it from an outside perspective.but why not find value from the experience if I found the time one day? the fact that this is an idea you think would cause a bad trip when I don't think a bad trip is possible, it would satisfy a void. and if I got too uncomfortable I'd just shut it off and find a better place in my mind for me to be. if I succeeded I guarantee you'd come back being a cuck about the whole situation and tell me my L or shrooms were bad, or that I didn't take enough, or my eyes were closed for certain portions so I didn't completely experience the reality or some bullshit.


You will find a million reasons to justify people having bad trips and I will find a million reasons how that person could've learned from the experience. don't come at me with this I don't understand shrooms bullshit though because you don't understand yourself.


and notice how I didn't say it would be a "fun" experience, i described it as a not very good idea but would be a mind opening experience.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26473447 - 02/07/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I accidentally took Pans instead of cubes once and i was damn near catatonic and stuck in this delusion in my head that I was on a slave boat being transported somewhere and couldnt move and couldnt open my eyes and shit. For like a solid 3-4 hours

Find the spiritual healing in that, hippie


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473455 - 02/07/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It’s not about gore or violence. It’s the background music and suspense. It’s just too much - you’re loading your subconscious with horrific thoughts.

I took a couple grams before going to see Us...shit was not fun...knives in the corner of my eye and shit.




Right.
It's the whole composition. And, when your mind is in that analytical state of psychedelic awareness, you become very privvy to the intention and direction of the composers. It becomes really obvious what they're trying to provoke and thus becomes kind of laughable because you're not really of the type of mind that they've modeled for their provocations.
At least in my experience and those few friends I had.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci] * 2
    #26473456 - 02/07/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You’re just not experienced enough imo. Filling your mind space with horrific shit on mushrooms is NOT a “fun” idea. It won’t be powerful, there won’t be much revelations, it won’t be therapy on steroids - it’ll just be horrific.

No offense dude, but if you don’t respect the mush, you’ll find out all about bad trips soon enough....





no offense dude, but if you understood the power of your mind and the power of these substances you would have no problem going balls deep into a horror flick while tripping your ass off. I don't watch horror movies as I don't find them scary. I find the genre interesting but realistically i've been at deaths door multiple times, said hello, had a drink with the chap and he sent me back here. fear is just a concept of the mind, and as long as you're aware of yourself you will be able to handle this experience just fine. it's not very high up on my list of things to seek out, but you've just entered the possibility of it into my mind, that created a void I never realized was there and I can try to find the value in it from an outside perspective.but why not find value from the experience if I found the time one day? the fact that this is an idea you think would cause a bad trip when I don't think a bad trip is possible, it would satisfy a void. and if I got too uncomfortable I'd just shut it off and find a better place in my mind for me to be. if I succeeded I guarantee you'd come back being a cuck about the whole situation and tell me my L or shrooms were bad, or that I didn't take enough, or my eyes were closed for certain portions so I didn't completely experience the reality or some bullshit.


You will find a million reasons to justify people having bad trips and I will find a million reasons how that person could've learned from the experience. don't come at me with this I don't understand shrooms bullshit though because you don't understand yourself.


and notice how I didn't say it would be a "fun" experience, i described it as a not very good idea but would be a mind opening experience.




Oh I see, I’m just not developed enough to understand you. Got it.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26473464 - 02/07/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It’s not about gore or violence. It’s the background music and suspense. It’s just too much - you’re loading your subconscious with horrific thoughts.

I took a couple grams before going to see Us...shit was not fun...knives in the corner of my eye and shit.




Right.
It's the whole composition. And, when your mind is in that analytical state of psychedelic awareness, you become very privvy to the intention and direction of the composers. It becomes really obvious what they're trying to provoke and thus becomes kind of laughable because you're not really of the type of mind that they've modeled for their provocations.
At least in my experience and those few friends I had.




What I mean is that it’s not the violence, story or the “scariness” of the movie that got me. It was the state of my subconscious. During the come up it was all suspenseful music and creep imagery, which triggered thought loops of horrific (but kinda unrelated) shit.

Idk, the best mushroom experiences I’ve had would be labeled as “bad trips” by most people...weeping for hours, remembering repressed trauma...but those had so much value. This was just disturbing. It was the only time I wanted a trip to end already.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473480 - 02/07/20 08:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You’re just not experienced enough imo. Filling your mind space with horrific shit on mushrooms is NOT a “fun” idea. It won’t be powerful, there won’t be much revelations, it won’t be therapy on steroids - it’ll just be horrific.

No offense dude, but if you don’t respect the mush, you’ll find out all about bad trips soon enough....





no offense dude, but if you understood the power of your mind and the power of these substances you would have no problem going balls deep into a horror flick while tripping your ass off. I don't watch horror movies as I don't find them scary. I find the genre interesting but realistically i've been at deaths door multiple times, said hello, had a drink with the chap and he sent me back here. fear is just a concept of the mind, and as long as you're aware of yourself you will be able to handle this experience just fine. it's not very high up on my list of things to seek out, but you've just entered the possibility of it into my mind, that created a void I never realized was there and I can try to find the value in it from an outside perspective.but why not find value from the experience if I found the time one day? the fact that this is an idea you think would cause a bad trip when I don't think a bad trip is possible, it would satisfy a void. and if I got too uncomfortable I'd just shut it off and find a better place in my mind for me to be. if I succeeded I guarantee you'd come back being a cuck about the whole situation and tell me my L or shrooms were bad, or that I didn't take enough, or my eyes were closed for certain portions so I didn't completely experience the reality or some bullshit.


You will find a million reasons to justify people having bad trips and I will find a million reasons how that person could've learned from the experience. don't come at me with this I don't understand shrooms bullshit though because you don't understand yourself.


and notice how I didn't say it would be a "fun" experience, i described it as a not very good idea but would be a mind opening experience.




Oh I see, I’m just not developed enough to understand you. Got it.
Good luck with your enlightenment :rofl2:





I didn't say you're not developed enough to understand me, I don't expect that from anyone. I said you don't understand yourself well enough to realize how laughable the experience you've portrayed as some horrifying endeavor is. then have the audacity to call me out as if I'm unaware of what these substances are capable of because your concept of reality doesn't allow you to grasp how they could be used in a certain way for personal growth. I never said you came up with a great idea, that it would be a profound experience, i'm not living to survive anymore, pretty much everything I do in life is "because I feel like fucking doing it." the only reason I think it's a bad idea at this point is because i'm talking to the creator of the thought and he's a real fuckin gem.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26473486 - 02/07/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

yes I’m so much worse than you - a very enlightened thought:piss:


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473493 - 02/07/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I mean, drawing stuff up from the depths of your being is pretty much one of the main reasons to take psychedelics.
That's definitely just a trying psychedelic experience - by no means bad and often some of the most useful.

Bad trips can come from anything and no experience can guarantee one.
Bad trips are your mind losing traction and your body freaking the fuck out about it.
They're never coherent and there's no 'working through it.'
I've lost my internal monologue and analytical abilities from a bad trip. Tell me, how does one accept and internalize that?
They don't.
They carcass through life for x time while things hopefully start returning to them bit by bit.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26473518 - 02/07/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, I mean, drawing stuff up from the depths of your being is pretty much one of the main reasons to take psychedelics.
That's definitely just a trying psychedelic experience - by no means bad and often some of the most useful.

Bad trips can come from anything and no experience can guarantee one.
Bad trips are your mind losing traction and your body freaking the fuck out about it.
They're never coherent and there's no 'working through it.'
I've lost my internal monologue and analytical abilities from a bad trip. Tell me, how does one accept and internalize that?
They don't.
They carcass through life for x time while things hopefully start returning to them bit by bit.




You might be onto something...maybe it was just a coincidence that it happened during “Us”. I also forgot to mention that just being at a movie theater was a big mistake. I just felt trapped in every way, but mostly in the dreadful and useless mind loop of “someone here is about to stab me”.

Definitely can’t call the experience “useful” in any way, shape or form.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26473519 - 02/07/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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yes I’m so much worse than you - a very enlightened thought:piss:





again with the projections, nowhere in my statements have I said you are worse than me. we're here discussing bad trips. You made a statement about doing a certain activity that you believe would cause a bad trip. I am trying to understand why you feel that this experience would lead to a bad trip and why you think that the experience would be profoundly bad. I've had trips I didn't enjoy in the moment but the growth afterwards was rewarding and which has helped shaped my beliefs towards these experiences, many people think about bad trips and get stuck on them but how do you move past them? I had a trip that caused me to fear psychedelics so much I didn't touch them for 6 years. but I still don't think of it as a bad trip. I just realized that I had reached a point of disconnect between my beliefs and my reality that I needed to spend the time to realign them. my personal belief is that people can believe they're having bad trips in the moment, but forcing yourself through those fears is how you make growth and progress in life. our bodies have been so conditioned to fear so many things throughout humanity its our job to uncondition them so the human mind can be free of it's own limitations. I personally have come to realize that most people just describe bad trips as scary, all of those scary thoughts are just projections of our own mind, so the answers to why they're scary have to be in there somewhere, and with the right questions you can take things that are irrational, rationalize them and change your perception on reality.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26473558 - 02/07/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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  I said you don't understand yourself well enough to realize how laughable the experience you've portrayed as some horrifying endeavor is. then have the audacity to call me out as if I'm unaware of what these substances are capable of because your concept of reality doesn't allow you to grasp how they could be used in a certain way for personal growth.




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nowhere in my statements have I said you are worse than me.



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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473562 - 02/07/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I was initially referring to your repression/emotional response one... the normal shit that people go through on psychedelics that they can then internalize, accept, and integrate into their life.

No doubt your movie experience was a bad trip.
Nothing of use could come from it, your mind basically just goes to mush and shorts out on a redundancy.
Nothing was learned, it came from nowhere. I mean... you're kind of setting yourself up for an unpleasant experience in that setting, but it's still not guaranteed and it has nothing to do with being able to accept something your brain is trying to tell you.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473566 - 02/07/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Feldman, you now know not to trip at the movies. You got something out of that trip.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci] * 1
    #26473582 - 02/07/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ok bad trips can definitely happen, set and setting definitely play a large role. Years ago I decided like an idiot to dose 7 grams and go hiking...anyhow I became hopelessly lost in the desert not because I was hopelessly lost but because I truly believed I was and managed to convince myself I was going to die despite the fact that I could see the city and a main road from where I was and could have easily walked there and called someone to pick me up. Other times I've had relatively low dose trips go bad for seemingly no reason at all, I waited and waited some more trying to see what they had to show me before having to abort. Same as I've entered hellholes on LSD, and came to from 60mg of DMT in a different room than I smoked in actually that trip scared me off breakthrough doses for nearly 2 years. Bad trips do happen. But I will agree that most times they are difficult and uncomfortable trips, but not bad because they have something to show. Just trying to say, don't say there's no bad trips until you've been in the psychedelic game a bit longer.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26473589 - 02/07/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Feldman, you now know not to trip at the movies. You got something out of that trip.




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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473597 - 02/07/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thats how you gotta be bro


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26473605 - 02/07/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Called it. 😊

We neck deep into it now, skipping right over semantics and straight into finding out which of us is the enlightened guru. I guess I am forced to jump in and set you folks straight.

Clearly, I am a more psychedelic person than half the people here, go ahead and post up if you find yourself in the lesser half, I am needing to demonstrate my superior theories and truths to you now. Probably have more experience than you too. So nanners on you and you inferior way of seeing the world! 😝

Does anyone else consider a full and unquestionable surety in ones own beliefs and worldview an obvious sign that said person isn’t as enlightened, wise or intelligent as they suppose?


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26473623 - 02/07/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Thats how you gotta be bro




Hey, I can’t argue with that, keep on keepin on man
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473624 - 02/07/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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  I said you don't understand yourself well enough to realize how laughable the experience you've portrayed as some horrifying endeavor is. then have the audacity to call me out as if I'm unaware of what these substances are capable of because your concept of reality doesn't allow you to grasp how they could be used in a certain way for personal growth.




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nowhere in my statements have I said you are worse than me.



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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26473625 - 02/07/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The only bad mushroom trip I had was on 40gs of fresh tamp truffles + 20gs of fresh apes. I mostly trip alone now because my uncle was creeping me the fuck out and being weird as fuck and something told me he was going to kill me, I got all paranoid and I got stuck in a bad place. I went back to a bad acid trip I had years ago, it seamed the exact same except I was on shrooms.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26473635 - 02/07/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Does anyone else consider a full and unquestionable surety in ones own beliefs and worldview an obvious sign that said person isn’t as enlightened, wise or intelligent as they suppose?




Either that or a really poor ability to articulate their perspective.
In this case, simply just lack of experience and/or receptivity.

edit: articul...


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26473636 - 02/07/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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  I said you don't understand yourself well enough to realize how laughable the experience you've portrayed as some horrifying endeavor is. then have the audacity to call me out as if I'm unaware of what these substances are capable of because your concept of reality doesn't allow you to grasp how they could be used in a certain way for personal growth.




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nowhere in my statements have I said you are worse than me.



:tryingnottodie::ancientaliens:



Keep grasping at straws bud, nothing but projections of your own mind.




Hahah wuuut

Those are DIRECT QUOTES...straight from YOUR mind, bud.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473666 - 02/07/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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  I said you don't understand yourself well enough to realize how laughable the experience you've portrayed as some horrifying endeavor is. then have the audacity to call me out as if I'm unaware of what these substances are capable of because your concept of reality doesn't allow you to grasp how they could be used in a certain way for personal growth.




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nowhere in my statements have I said you are worse than me.



:tryingnottodie::ancientaliens:



Keep grasping at straws bud, nothing but projections of your own mind.




Hahah wuuut

Those are DIRECT QUOTES...straight from YOUR mind, bud.





I said you were unaware of a certain situation. I don't think your lack of awareness makes you worse than me. I never stated you were worse then me, nor do I think that. sorry if you ever took it that way.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26473743 - 02/07/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

First we have to start on what is bad.

Is bad bad?


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26473756 - 02/07/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

idk ask my parents, they'll tell you i'm bad, ask 10 other people, you'll get 10 different answers. you ask me, i'd say i'm good.ask how I am and i'd say doing just fine, ask me to define bad i'd ask what context, the concept of a bad trip however is lost to me and apparently i'm bad for questioning how someone could allow an experience to impact them in such a way. are these the projections of your thoughts or mine? i haven't the slightest clue. what the fuck are we even talking about anymore.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26473760 - 02/07/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So ridiculously not true lmfao. You gonna get smacked hard 1 day.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26473762 - 02/07/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That's why I tried to steer it towards trauma.

Now it's just become a bit tiresome and I'm almost convinced the purpose of this topic was just to trigger people with an inflammatory proposition.
Those of us who've had a bad trip know the difference between it and what OP was suggesting as a bad trip - which was just a description of a solid half of the trips that people generally have.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26473766 - 02/07/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You are touching on murkiness of all this.

Bad means different things to others.

and level of bad also is subjective.

The post could also be "My thoughts on why a bad life doesnt exist" cuz at least you're livin


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26473791 - 02/07/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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That's why I tried to steer it towards trauma.

Now it's just become a bit tiresome and I'm almost convinced the purpose of this topic was just to trigger people with an inflammatory proposition.
Those of us who've had a bad trip know the difference between it and what OP was suggesting as a bad trip - which was just a description of a solid half of the trips that people generally have.





people experience trauma all the time, some get over it some don't. fact is, trauma is trauma and it seems real but it isn't. and until you can understand that concept it's a moot argument. once you get past the experience of the drug itself it can cause you no more physical danger, the danger then becomes you to yourself. Have I had days after trips where I was so discontent with myself I almost put a bullet through my head? you betcha, but at the end of the day I didn't and when I realized how stupid those thoughts were, why I had them in the first place and told myself those were bad thoughts and we aint ready to die. I got over it. I've had many bouts of psychosis, mania, whatever you may call it and experienced discomfort with reality for the bulk of my life. i'm probably fucking crazy, but I love myself, my life,have a few very close people in my life, I feel I have purpose, and ultimately it's the comfort within myself that allows me to believe that I could never have a bad trip as it is nothing more a serotonin rush and a conglomeration of thoughts I wasn't capable of having without a little extra boost. I tried killing myself for years through addiction, had such discontent with my thoughts and relationships in life I tried killing myself outright and i've overcome these anxieties, depressions and fears. i've experienced some of the greatest traumas in life and have managed to process them just fine. a bad trip is nothing different than those experiences however much so you may believe.


and jesus h fuck with the enlightenment jokes, does it say i am enlightened? no it says please enlighten me. attack my thoughts but leave me the fuck alone.


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    #26473817 - 02/07/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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...trauma seems real but it isn’t..




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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26473822 - 02/07/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I never said trauma had to be permanent, I was merely explaining that it's a more apt description for 'bad trip'.
It damages, takes time to heal from, and leaves scars. Simply not 'accepting something your brain is trying to tell you' is not at all what these traumatic psychedelic experiences are.

I don't know if that last bit was targeted at me, but I haven't been addressing your comments at all in this thread until now.
I could give two fucks about what people call enlightenment, but I know that I've had thorough enough experiences with this aspect of life over the course of 17 consecutive years to have a valid perspective.

edit: I did address your bit about confronting fear with the very same stance that I've been taking this whole time.

As well, trauma is not open to the subjectivity of 'bad'. It's gauged on a level of severity just like a flesh wound would be. Some bad trips can be repaired overnight, some bad trips irreparably leave people with the mental capacity of a 4-year-old.
If you don't think that's true, I'm sorry, but you have not experienced enough.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26473844 - 02/07/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hope we didn’t get our wires crossed - I was quoting and responding to 330ci

I never claim enlightenment, but I’m pretty sure it comes after basic empathy. Saying other people’s trauma isn’t real is an indication, at least to me, that he’s not as enlightened as he thinks:shrug:


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473847 - 02/07/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, me too. I need to start actually quoting so to not misdirect these things.

I believe we are on the same page.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26473860 - 02/07/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I haven’t really followed y’all’s specific childish bickering and insults, Just observing generally how ideological and nasty things are getting.

I also don’t know or care who started it, I am simply passing the time trolling this thread and waiting for at least one of you to pull your head out of their ass. I think if there could be a small pause in these deeply held beliefs, you would notice how trashy and disrespectful the tone of the conversation has become, and maybe this could move to more productive things, like the semantics problem. 😀

Maybe,  if your parents raised you right, you will be a bit embarrassed about it and not wish to further descend into pettiness.

And then, as far as enlightenment jokes: i maintain my right, if you two are giving yourselves permission to engage in such a gross conversation without batting an eye, surely you can handle a joke or two. Right?





Stay open to everything, even the negative. The pushback( and hatefulness ) you are getting and giving right here in this moment is being perceived as “bad” but, isn’t it really a learning experience?

Think about it, or don’t.

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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26473864 - 02/07/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Trauma-a deeply distressing or disturbing experience



experience-encounter or undergo (an event or occurrence)

distressing-causing anxiety, sorrow or pain; upsetting
disturbing-causing anxiety; worrying

when you deconstruct what trauma is by definition you realize it is all concepts created by the mind, and when you can realize you thought that concept in the first place, you can start to deconstruct it.


I clearly don't care what you have to say at this point and nor does anyone care to listen to me so I'll just excuse myself with this statement.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26473866 - 02/07/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Oh we’re fully aware you’re a troll


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26473869 - 02/07/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I haven’t really followed y’all’s specific childish bickering and insults, Just observing generally how ideological and nasty things are getting.

I also don’t know or care who started it, I am simply passing the time trolling this thread and waiting for at least one of you to pull your head out of their ass. I think if there could be a small pause in these deeply held beliefs, you would notice how trashy and disrespectful the tone of the conversation has become, and maybe this could move to more productive things, like the semantics problem. 😀

Maybe,  if your parents raised you right, you will be a bit embarrassed about it and not wish to further descend into pettiness.

And then, as far as enlightenment jokes: i maintain my right, if you two are giving yourselves permission to engage in such a gross conversation without batting an eye, surely you can handle a joke or two. Right?





Stay open to everything, even the negative. The pushback( and hatefulness ) you are getting and giving right here in this moment is being perceived as “bad” but, isn’t it really a learning experience?

Think about it, or don’t.

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Don't you think it's a little unenlightened to assume the tone of my arguments based on the generalizations you've gathered from a thread whose individual facets you haven't explored?


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    #26473886 - 02/07/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Trauma-a deeply distressing or disturbing experience



experience-encounter or undergo (an event or occurrence)

distressing-causing anxiety, sorrow or pain; upsetting
disturbing-causing anxiety; worrying

when you deconstruct what trauma is by definition you realize it is all concepts created by the mind, and when you can realize you thought that concept in the first place, you can start to deconstruct it.


I clearly don't care what you have to say at this point and nor does anyone care to listen to me so I'll just excuse myself with this statement.




Psychiatry.
an experience that produces psychological injury or pain.
the psychological injury so caused.

You selected the wrong use of the word.

To say that just because psychological things happen in your mind and you thus have the power to control them is a vast misconception of the workings of the mind. Overcoming suicidal tendencies is one thing, repairing broken connections in your neurons is totally different. Psychological trauma can cause those breaks.


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    #26473887 - 02/07/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I haven’t really followed y’all’s specific childish bickering and insults, Just observing generally how ideological and nasty things are getting.

I also don’t know or care who started it, I am simply passing the time trolling this thread and waiting for at least one of you to pull your head out of their ass. I think if there could be a small pause in these deeply held beliefs, you would notice how trashy and disrespectful the tone of the conversation has become, and maybe this could move to more productive things, like the semantics problem. 😀

Maybe,  if your parents raised you right, you will be a bit embarrassed about it and not wish to further descend into pettiness.

And then, as far as enlightenment jokes: i maintain my right, if you two are giving yourselves permission to engage in such a gross conversation without batting an eye, surely you can handle a joke or two. Right?





Stay open to everything, even the negative. The pushback( and hatefulness ) you are getting and giving right here in this moment is being perceived as “bad” but, isn’t it really a learning experience?

Think about it, or don’t.

Peace





Holy hypocrisy batman!



Please continue, this is just starting to get good :popcorn:


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26473898 - 02/07/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Footpath, why did you bite? No, you were seemingly calm and rational...

Did you -really- think that this was directed at you? If so, then, I am sorry.

However, I am 100% sure 330ci and Feldman are aware of who my “y’all” refers too. Or they are now...

And 330ci , thank you for stepping back it is hard not to fight for things you believe, but, 9x out of 10.... everyone already knows better and it isn’t worth the mental/emotional energy trying to argue them out of those beliefs.

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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26473909 - 02/07/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I just wanted to join in the trolling...

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    #26473944 - 02/07/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

LoL!


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26474140 - 02/07/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sure bad trips exist because I've had a few - less than a dozen - out of over a thousand.  So there's a lot to be said for not fucking up how, when, and why you trip. As well as finding and knowing your limits with these substances.

OTOH the good so far outweighs the bad that there's really no comparison.  And I never had a "bad" trip that couldn't be fixed by going back at it again ASAP.  They generally came from mushrooms that had weird vibes for whatever reasons, some cubes, wild woodlovers, shit like that.

Always a good idea to try a small amount of whatever you have that's new to see if it resonates well.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26474167 - 02/07/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

how does one judge that the trip was bad?
some parts could be easy and others hard, or all parts could even be hard , but bad does not seem to apply.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26474472 - 02/07/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Good and bad are subjective. I believe that these medicines are here for growth, which at times can require painful and even frightening experiences.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26475564 - 02/08/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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how does one judge that the trip was bad?
some parts could be easy and others hard, or all parts could even be hard , but bad does not seem to apply.
difficulty does not mean bad.




IME a "bad" trip is one with no redeeming qualities. 

Sort of like a pointless nightmare that nevertheless seems quite real while its happening.  Scrooges' "undigested bit of beef" in other words. 

OTOH there are nightmares with redeeming qualities, just like negative tending trips that don't slide all the way into the existential, eternal hell that a "bad" trip brings.  And there are "difficult" nightmares or dreams with meaning that you can sort out, just like like "difficult" trips. 

These latter sort are the kind you can learn from.  The other kind just are and you gotta shake your head at the weird shit your brain can get up to when given certain sorts of stimulation.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #26477675 - 02/09/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

the only bad trip is no trip at all


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26477879 - 02/10/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I've had a bad trip off around 7 grams of shrooms. Bad - as in feeling pure terror. Won't go into detail, but I had no doubt in my mind that I was going to die. It was the most terrifying experience of my life.
While coming down I accepted my inevitable death and I came to peace with it. Bliss.
The next morning I woke up and my years of depression and suicidal thoughts were completely eradicated.
Yes, I consider that a bad trip... pure concentrated terror.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Momorush]
    #26478043 - 02/10/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

let me ask - do you go to horror movies for fun?


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    #26478627 - 02/10/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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let me ask - do you go to horror movies for fun?



If you're asking me...
I'm not really a fan of horror movies. Usually find them slow moving and boring.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26480979 - 02/11/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

eh i like what footpath is saying i dont mind the tone


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
    #26481067 - 02/11/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Kinda late to the party aren’t ya, buddy?

And, did you actually have anything else to add, or were you just picking a side?





























How’s that for tone? 😎


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26481107 - 02/11/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

hey...you cant talk to me like that


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone] * 1
    #26481146 - 02/11/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I rather think of a trip as hard or soft rather than good or bad.  Because when a trip gets really intense it can get hard to move even while standing.  A hard trip might have a sense of fear or presence without unpleasant sensations.  While people say there was a bad trip more often than not I believe there is a coming to terms with one’s fears or a exploration into the darkness. Into the dark where there are less limitation needed to protect your psyche and seeing hearing feeling or gaining knowledge of what is really out there


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Ram the shroomer]
    #26481897 - 02/12/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

rough or smooth...


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26481903 - 02/12/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just echoing footpath here but, just because every trip you ever had was either “rough or smooth” doesn’t mean there are no other kinds of trips. If the only thing you get out of the trip is discomfort and angst, it’s just a bad trip - not useful OR enjoyable in any way.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26482316 - 02/12/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Just echoing footpath here but, just because every trip you ever had was either “rough or smooth” doesn’t mean there are no other kinds of trips. If the only thing you get out of the trip is discomfort and angst, it’s just a bad trip - not useful OR enjoyable in any way.





if that's what you choose to believe, and if you use psychedelics for purely recreational purposes, but the fact is, if you believe God created the universe, then he created all things in the universe, and if he created all things in the universe, he created you too, and if you use a psychedelic, he's trying to talk to you. but your not fucking listening and that's why you find these experiences useless. these are tools for enlightenment and until you respect them as such, you'll continue to feel this way about bad trips. you're a sum of your experiences in life, you are supposed to learn from everything. it took me a long time to figure it all out. I wish you the best of luck on your journey


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26482344 - 02/12/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You can believe god created the universe, but you also have a brain js were not pure souls maybe before we were embodied in this vessel...Think about it, its dangerous to abandon our thinking organ it leads to wars


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
    #26482420 - 02/12/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Can evil people escape being reborn?  Usually (in religions) that was into lower realms for the wheel to grind some more.  No I suspect most just would choose dissolution.

I know this is kind of a weird subject but it seemed to come up naturally - because, "bad" trips.  :shrug:


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    #26482438 - 02/12/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I dont want to crush you but theres no such thing as rebirth


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
    #26482557 - 02/12/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, I still think debating the moral value of another persons trip is insanely stupid. I will try and give an actual opinion on the actual subject.

Everyone is on their own trip, and perspective is everything.

If someone has what they choose to describe as a “bad trip”, how or why should I judge it as anything else? It is, of course, their perspective, which they are free to keep or change. I personally don’t think it is fair or logical to assume that the others are doing something wrong simply on the basis that they don’t find a similar value as I do in certain types of experiences.

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    #26482582 - 02/12/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I dont want to crush you but theres no such thing as rebirth




How are you so sure? I notice you didn’t challenge the God concept that was also raised. Are you specifically against rebirth, or more generally against all metaphysical beliefs? 😊









( feels like this thread is about to go religious, which makes sense since we are already arguing the moral validity of individual psychedelic experiences )


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
    #26482679 - 02/12/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I dont want to crush you but theres no such thing as rebirth





Never said I believed there was, but you're talking about emdodying pure souls, or not, which is exactly that. Or maybe just bs.  :lol:


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    #26482727 - 02/12/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Connection]
    #26482750 - 02/12/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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No they are all good trips ive been on level 5 trips on shrooms acid and dmt and salvia and weed and you learn there is no bad trips and there is really no rabbit hole of unescapable doom. Fear yes but not doom. You reach a safety net that all trips are good and learn you a lesson. Thats why its unmistakeable that there are bad trips. All are good. They higher your consciousness.

A psychotic episode could mean a lot of repressed thoughts that were waiting to lurk out. Now i know its all opinion based but can you not learn from what is deemed as wrong? Wrong points to the right direction if you think about it. It untracks you from the wrong and bad. All is good and all is a lesson. If you were to watch the ring on shrooms you would realise there is nothing to fear that your fears are irrational and you let some little girl with black hair scare you but who knows what if im the one whose wrong.

I think right and wrong are subjective to experience. If you learn from something bad i mean learn from it not get distracted at getting scared and realise your fears are only their because you havent faced it and are subconscioussly haunting you regardless whether you watch that movie or not and that not facing it is the reason you have the horror then you will get comfortable with any level trip. That fears are in your mind. I hope this helps in some way or i could be completely delusional from my trips who knows right?

I dont think anyone can say forsure with full authority over someone elses life. Thats whats wrong. If what you deem as bad is bad to you who am i to tell you its not bad. Like i get paranoid when i smoke weed more than any other psychedelic but i was do experience altered states of conscioussness that can either be helpful or not helpful. Either way i think its bad if you cant learn from the experience and it paralyzes you and lack of growth. But thats my take on it I could be wrong who is the full authority here on this? And why should i trust anybody to tell me what i experience?

Its all a take of goodwill and badwill. But thats my experience tbh. I think the only bad trip is if you cant learn from it and gain no knowledge. If its completely useless for you and screws up your head in negative ways that i would deem as bad. But like i said its all subjective isnt it? Sometime is takes years to learn from a so called bad trip and thats okay nothing wrong with that but i think they can temporarily be a nucance and screw you up temporarily.

Bad trips are temporarily bad until they scare you and realize all your fears were delusions. But i dont think everybody is all smiles when they first take psychedelics and have no idea what they are doing haha. If whats youve been hiding from is fear your whole life you dont have real problems.




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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
    #26483141 - 02/13/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You can believe god created the universe, but you also have a brain js were not pure souls maybe before we were embodied in this vessel...Think about it, its dangerous to abandon our thinking organ it leads to wars





Everything happens for a reason, I tried killing myself multiple times in multiple ways, losing my mind to psychs was a last ditch effort at life for me and it fortunately worked. I went to any lengths possible to save my life and didn’t accept anyone’s bullshit in the process no matter how shitty it made me feel because I truely believed one day I would break out of the shit cycle life had me stuck in and I’d be free once I finally broke it


Now I am, and I don’t ever see me needing psychs again in life. I quit alcohol and cigarettes, cut out candy and caffeinated drinks all in the past 3 weeks. I got the answers I was looking for and I’m ready to hang up the phone.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26483193 - 02/13/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Bad trips are when you don't have the tools to learn from, and integrate a difficult experience into every day life.  An experienced and thoughtful guide is often very important for people who are using higher doses of psychedelics therapeutically with specific intentions.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: daysbetween] * 1
    #26483232 - 02/13/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just about everything can give you something to consider.
You can tune into every aspect of a situation or scenario and dissect it and try to come to conclusions and draw connections.
But it's very piss and vinegar to think you can learn from everything.
Some things are simply missteps, miscalculations, random events, circumstance, coincidence.
Some things are simply just destructive,
and what's destroyed is simply just destroyed.
You can mend the elements around it and maybe consider that your 'learning' experience,
but it's merely just a scar with the lesson of, 'well, that was destructive'.
And, depending on the severity of the destruction, sometimes there's just about nothing that mending can do to reunite the pieces into anything resembling its previous form.
If you want to call that enlightenment, you've got a whole other confusion that I can't possibly prod at.

There's a lot of hubbub surrounding the subjectivity of this topic.
Everyone, of course, thinks bad things have happened to them.
But it doesn't seem like many have known what it's like to maimed and dismembered.
It's privileged and ignorant to be able to finitely say that all things are something to integrate and learn from - something that influenced your growth.
Sure, every circumstance that has ever happened had subsequent circumstances. But that's a contemptible correlation to the idea that 'you are the sum of your parts.'
Just because someone got brain damage from a car accident doesn't mean that they think to themselves, 'well, this is what has made me, me.'
No. What was them is an impression on this shell of their being that has come to be them.

That is bad trip.
Bad trips might be the furthest thing from spiritual that these substances have to offer.
They'll make it scary obvious that you should hold your mortal coil in high reverence.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26483247 - 02/13/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

This is how your reply reads:
“You’re too stupid to understand that your bad trips are good. Nothing is useless or wrong...But I know all trips are good because I’m humble and enlightened. Therefore, your perspective is useless and wrong.”

I think you bustas need to check yo self befo’ you contradict yo self.
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Just echoing footpath here but, just because every trip you ever had was either “rough or smooth” doesn’t mean there are no other kinds of trips. If the only thing you get out of the trip is discomfort and angst, it’s just a bad trip - not useful OR enjoyable in any way.





if that's what you choose to believe, and if you use psychedelics for purely recreational purposes, but the fact is, if you believe God created the universe, then he created all things in the universe, and if he created all things in the universe, he created you too, and if you use a psychedelic, he's trying to talk to you. but your not fucking listening and that's why you find these experiences useless. these are tools for enlightenment and until you respect them as such, you'll continue to feel this way about bad trips. you're a sum of your experiences in life, you are supposed to learn from everything. it took me a long time to figure it all out. I wish you the best of luck on your journey




Like I said, just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean others haven’t. Duh. I can’t believe I have to explain such simple things twice, and to such an “openminded” psychonaut.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26483250 - 02/13/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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This is how your reply reads:
“You’re too stupid to understand that your bad trips are good. Nothing is useless or wrong...But I know all trips are good because I’m humble and enlightened. Therefore, your perspective is useless and wrong.”

I think you bustas need to check yo self befo’ you contradict yo self.
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Just echoing footpath here but, just because every trip you ever had was either “rough or smooth” doesn’t mean there are no other kinds of trips. If the only thing you get out of the trip is discomfort and angst, it’s just a bad trip - not useful OR enjoyable in any way.





if that's what you choose to believe, and if you use psychedelics for purely recreational purposes, but the fact is, if you believe God created the universe, then he created all things in the universe, and if he created all things in the universe, he created you too, and if you use a psychedelic, he's trying to talk to you. but your not fucking listening and that's why you find these experiences useless. these are tools for enlightenment and until you respect them as such, you'll continue to feel this way about bad trips. you're a sum of your experiences in life, you are supposed to learn from everything. it took me a long time to figure it all out. I wish you the best of luck on your journey




Like I said, just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean others haven’t. Duh. I can’t believe I have to explain such simple things twice, and to such an “openminded” psychonaut.





i've been given the gift of enlightenment I don't give a fuck what you think lol sorry you felt the need to explain yourself at all I know bad trips don't exist because I've never had one, you're right. but I don't know how the fuck you could ingest a substance with a known response and somehow think oh wow my mind is lying to me, these are only good sometimes. no Psychedelics are bad all the time. you shouldn't have to take psychedelics at all, but if you are, figure out why the fuck you are and move the fuck on. y'all sound like a bunch of fucking idiots to me. I got this way because I wasn't afraid to give up my mind, people told me to slow down and I thought fuck you i'm making progress and i'll make progress at my rate. and when I thought my mind was going to snap I kept going and broke through and now all you dumb cunts want to tell me I didn't experience something that you're trying to get and think you have to explain yourself to me. Start explaining yourself to yourself and figure it the fuck out on your own, look to the world for guidance. look inside yourself for answers. 


and find enlightened people in your life, I met 2 and knew it when they started speaking. I knew I wanted what they had, and took great interest in them. and am fortunate to have them as my therapist and my best personal friend now. they helped get me here.


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    #26483258 - 02/13/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

yah, any and every moment can be a teacher, stay awake, be respectful, progress.


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    #26483267 - 02/13/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I guess shrooms can be heavy and heaviness isnt enlightenment. The sense of air is closer to enlightenment. Heaviness can bog you down that can cause problems but ultimately lead you on your way to healing the mishaps of the mind that you suppressed for eons have the intention of healing and you will heal. You dont need psychedelics to do this and can confuse your mind into insanity insanity is not enlightenment it is being stuck in your mind body and soul supressed you dont want to be insane but it ultimately leads to your enlightenment. Sometimes being bogged down in being forced to deal with crisis is the jumpstart we need for enlightenment.


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    #26483324 - 02/13/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Here we go with the verbal abuse again....

Is it seriously that hard to understand that different people have different experiences?

That maybe, it’s ok for others to travel their own path in life?

What exactly are you defending  330ci? Do you REALLY need everyone to agree with you? Or maybe, you just can’t stand anyone disagreeing? Do you really think you will convince anyone of your position this way?

It’s great that you came out of all that stuff, it’s great that you and your friends are enlightened. Opposing views don’t negate your experiences. Do they? Why belittle everyone who hasn’t advanced as far as you? Where is the compassion?


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    #26483331 - 02/13/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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yah, any and every moment can be a teacher, stay awake, be respectful, progress.




I strive to be receptive and to not denounce. I tend to keep my eyes wide.
Of course, I'm not always fully successful - some things I may not comprehend, some things I may have adversities to that I have trouble overcoming. Sometimes my eyes tire.
Fixation isn't my agenda, I don't believe that most things can be infinitely true.

While I agree that most things can be incorporated as lessons, I don't agree that all of them can.
If for no other reason than the use of 'can'. If that's a variable in the equation, the equation falls apart.
Because they can not, that leaves open the possibility for them to not.
To poke a hole in my own belief, I suppose the one caveat might be that there is something to learn in that there are some things that cannot offer lessons; there are correlative lessons in absence.
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    #26483337 - 02/13/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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This is how your reply reads:
“You’re too stupid to understand that your bad trips are good. Nothing is useless or wrong...But I know all trips are good because I’m humble and enlightened. Therefore, your perspective is useless and wrong.”

I think you bustas need to check yo self befo’ you contradict yo self.
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Just echoing footpath here but, just because every trip you ever had was either “rough or smooth” doesn’t mean there are no other kinds of trips. If the only thing you get out of the trip is discomfort and angst, it’s just a bad trip - not useful OR enjoyable in any way.





if that's what you choose to believe, and if you use psychedelics for purely recreational purposes, but the fact is, if you believe God created the universe, then he created all things in the universe, and if he created all things in the universe, he created you too, and if you use a psychedelic, he's trying to talk to you. but your not fucking listening and that's why you find these experiences useless. these are tools for enlightenment and until you respect them as such, you'll continue to feel this way about bad trips. you're a sum of your experiences in life, you are supposed to learn from everything. it took me a long time to figure it all out. I wish you the best of luck on your journey




Like I said, just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean others haven’t. Duh. I can’t believe I have to explain such simple things twice, and to such an “openminded” psychonaut.





i've been given the gift of enlightenment I don't give a fuck what you think lol sorry you felt the need to explain yourself at all I know bad trips don't exist because I've never had one, you're right. but I don't know how the fuck you could ingest a substance with a known response and somehow think oh wow my mind is lying to me, these are only good sometimes. no Psychedelics are bad all the time. you shouldn't have to take psychedelics at all, but if you are, figure out why the fuck you are and move the fuck on. y'all sound like a bunch of fucking idiots to me. I got this way because I wasn't afraid to give up my mind, people told me to slow down and I thought fuck you i'm making progress and i'll make progress at my rate. and when I thought my mind was going to snap I kept going and broke through and now all you dumb cunts want to tell me I didn't experience something that you're trying to get and think you have to explain yourself to me. Start explaining yourself to yourself and figure it the fuck out on your own, look to the world for guidance. look inside yourself for answers. 


and find enlightened people in your life, I met 2 and knew it when they started speaking. I knew I wanted what they had, and took great interest in them. and am fortunate to have them as my therapist and my best personal friend now. they helped get me here.




Yesss calling people “dumb cunts” and getting pissy because you lost an anonymous debate are great signs of enlightenment :rofl2:


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26483364 - 02/13/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I could never reduce someones life to mere words its impossible, its really tempting to be able to do so. You can in a sense learn from just a terrible tip id imagine, just not in the way that we have in mind when we think about psychedelics for instance, i had a shitty trip now i know not to eat mexican food beforehand lol learned something about the gut. It can be dangerous to assume that psychedelics are a cure to everything. If you have the right mindset you can learn from any experience.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26483380 - 02/13/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yesss calling people “dumb cunts” and getting pissy because you lost an anonymous debate are great signs of enlightenment :rofl2:

Yaaaassss bitch! I was going to post something similar, lol! Suuuuuuch enlightenment, much wow!


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26483390 - 02/13/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

he is enlightened...ya dumb cunt, over 9000


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone] * 1
    #26483416 - 02/13/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

At least it's come full circle and we've shown we agree that - whether or not you can learn from them, bad trips do exist.
You may not call them bad trips and they may hold a different interpretation based on the individual. But they obviously fucking exist and mushrooms can 100% induce them.
It doesn't take an enlightened person to experience discomfort, hardship, roughness, bad situations, turmoil, trauma, etc.
And just because you can work through integrating one of these experiences into your life, it very evidently does not mean that you're acquired or maintained an enlightenment.

My getting tangential about the nature of 'learning' was certainly just a subdivision of the actual point; my own interpretation of the nature of a bad trip.
It's not to say that I'm not the consequence of that I experience, but I maintain that simply 'repairing' is not tantamount to 'learning'. It can be and most often is. But it also is not. And that is the time when I would consider a trip truly 'bad'.


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    #26483419 - 02/13/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

when you live in my world it's a lonely place and seeing people being so naive is quite frustrating. to each their own, keep believing in bad trips. but until you learn why they aren't bad you'll never understand me. and when you do, you will be laughing and doing the same shit I am.


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    #26483436 - 02/13/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

To each their own, indeed.

You're obviously getting frustrated at the suggestions being proposed because they don't adhere to your own experience.
If you took the time to actually analyze even your own words, you'd realize that you're also saying that bad trips exist. Everyone here is. Because it's a subjective matter.
All of the responses that seem contrary are just, 'well, it's actually like this' - describing one unique situation in regard to the effects of psychedelics. It's just a devolved into a redundant jabberwocky pissing contest as to who has the correct interpretation and whether or not 'bad' is 'bad'. It's seriously dense and could have been nipped in the bud with the first mention of subjectivity.
Literally, "That's subjective." could have ended this entire thread.
But I'll leave that up to you to decide in your throne of enlightenment.
To each their own. Quite so.


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    #26483455 - 02/13/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I love you footpath! You put things so eloquently and precise to what I am thinking on the matter(s) at hand.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26483475 - 02/13/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

People are within their rights to be scared of unearthing their own emotions, there's a reason they have them bottled up. When I've had these fears before tripping on a variety of substances things have usually turned out well. But I think the reason for that is that I'm pretty good at being honest with myself in those moments where it pays to be. That being said, I've definitely had some times when I was hit with a whole lot in the wrong physical setting( the wrong people showing up unexpectedly etc, you get it) and that just felt stifling and embarrassing. So, I would call that a bad trip but not in the conventional sense. A bad trip lies within someone's own definition.


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    #26483542 - 02/13/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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People are within their rights to be scared of unearthing their own emotions, there's a reason they have them bottled up. When I've had these fears before tripping on a variety of substances things have usually turned out well. But I think the reason for that is that I'm pretty good at being honest with myself in those moments where it pays to be. That being said, I've definitely had some times when I was hit with a whole lot in the wrong physical setting( the wrong people showing up unexpectedly etc, you get it) and that just felt stifling and embarrassing. So, I would call that a bad trip but not in the conventional sense. A bad trip lies within someone's own definition.




Excellent first post!

Thoughtful and balanced, very much appreciate you acknowledging a persons right to be afraid and recognizing they may have reasons for it. Deep stuff.

Definitely can agree with defining “being hit with a whole lot in the wrong setting” as a bad trip, and maybe even that could turn into a learning experience afterward, but, at that moment when your world is crashing in and somebody in your group is denying that you could possibly be having a bad time, maybe even starts teasing or becoming irritated because you are killing their vibe.... good luck navigating through that.


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all of my threads turn to shit don't they?




Nah man. You definitely have a knack for generating conversation. Just because people have a tendency to turn it to muck doesn't mean you don't pose valid considerations that can be contemplated on and discussed.


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all of my threads turn to shit don't they?




Nah man. You definitely have a knack for generating conversation. Just because people have a tendency to turn it to muck doesn't mean you don't pose valid considerations that can be contemplated on and discussed.




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    #26483965 - 02/13/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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While I agree that most things can be incorporated as lessons, I don't agree that all of them can.
If for no other reason than the use of 'can'. If that's a variable in the equation, the equation falls apart.
Because they can not, that leaves open the possibility for them to not.
To poke a hole in my own belief, I suppose the one caveat might be that there is something to learn in that there are some things that cannot offer lessons; there are correlative lessons in absence.




Lessons vs teachers I suppose.  All things aren't lessons but all things can be learned from.  The most difficult are the most useful IME.

There's a Buddhist saying that the most difficult people are the best lessons, and I've found that to be true.  When somebody gets under your skin you ask yourself why exactly until you figure it out.  Then the next time there's no skin there for them to get underneath.

People claim to be enlightened all the time.  Generally it just means they've got more road to follow even if they can't see it yet.  This just makes them difficult people and...yeah that's right...the best lessons.

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    #26484034 - 02/13/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

.    If anyone thinks there are no bad trips, they might want to read Salvia trip reports.
The idea that one is learning lessons, implies there is still an ego that has needs, or that one's boundaries seem definite.
.    A serious dose of any psychedelic can mess with the ego, dissolving boundaries, or simply dissolving it totally. Going back and forth between these states, while difficult and confusing unconscious material arises, is not something every individual can always handle; call it what you will, a fair percentage of people, have been badly affected, at one time or another.
.    This partly why 'set & setting' have long been considered important. Why? because tripping is not predictable, so it makes sense to exercise some caution, rather than to veer into arrogance, or adolescent bravado.
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Lessons vs teachers I suppose.  All things aren't lessons but all things can be learned from.  The most difficult are the most useful IME.

There's a Buddhist saying that the most difficult people are the best lessons, and I've found that to be true.  When somebody gets under your skin you ask yourself why exactly until you figure it out.  Then the next time there's no skin there for them to get underneath.

People claim to be enlightened all the time.  Generally it just means they've got more road to follow even if they can't see it yet.  This just makes them difficult people and...yeah that's right...the best lessons.

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I believe I'm currently out of any further rebuttal... (might be the scotch)
The Buddhists and Toaists do hit home for me a lot of the time.
I always try to accept my frustrations as the brain merely finding the most trouble with understanding something, and that something thus has the potential to create new synapse connections - furthering your ability to understand.
Or, more romantically, as Ralph Waldo Emerson said: The mind, once stretched by a new idea, never returns to its original dimensions.
It needs to be stretched, conflicted, fondled, affronted from time to time to expand.

While I'm still not entirely convinced otherwise, I can certainly digress from my own stance on this lesson/teacher ideology. I have reached a wall of frustration that needs deconstructing - not necessarily a frustration generated by a person, but maybe by the concept itself... or maybe just by my own duality. I'm sure I'm not the most equipped to be so certain in my views. I'm not even 100% convinced of what I argue... ever. I am, however (contrary to the situations I argue exist), certain these discussions will give me more to marinate in. Maybe I'll have something to expound upon in the future that may solidify my view. Or, perhaps, liquidate it.

I think the most enlightened I've ever felt was when I stopped caring about being enlightened and simply just rolled around in the grass in front of me.
Grass is nice. I guess unless you have hay fever... hm.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26484089 - 02/13/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I find just embracing the tripping experience to offer the most rewards.  It's like a guided tour of how your consciousness can be even if you've managed to forget somehow what it's like. :yinyang2:


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26484145 - 02/13/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

different folks are scared of different things,
gets more interesting after 1:20



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    #26484160 - 02/13/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

or when you are beyond fear try this:
gets even more interesting at 2:50- & nice image at-3:17



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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: laughingdog]
    #26484161 - 02/13/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

i’ll report back to this thread when i try salvia


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