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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26483250 - 02/13/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
This is how your reply reads:
“You’re too stupid to understand that your bad trips are good. Nothing is useless or wrong...But I know all trips are good because I’m humble and enlightened. Therefore, your perspective is useless and wrong.”

I think you bustas need to check yo self befo’ you contradict yo self.
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Just echoing footpath here but, just because every trip you ever had was either “rough or smooth” doesn’t mean there are no other kinds of trips. If the only thing you get out of the trip is discomfort and angst, it’s just a bad trip - not useful OR enjoyable in any way.





if that's what you choose to believe, and if you use psychedelics for purely recreational purposes, but the fact is, if you believe God created the universe, then he created all things in the universe, and if he created all things in the universe, he created you too, and if you use a psychedelic, he's trying to talk to you. but your not fucking listening and that's why you find these experiences useless. these are tools for enlightenment and until you respect them as such, you'll continue to feel this way about bad trips. you're a sum of your experiences in life, you are supposed to learn from everything. it took me a long time to figure it all out. I wish you the best of luck on your journey




Like I said, just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean others haven’t. Duh. I can’t believe I have to explain such simple things twice, and to such an “openminded” psychonaut.





i've been given the gift of enlightenment I don't give a fuck what you think lol sorry you felt the need to explain yourself at all I know bad trips don't exist because I've never had one, you're right. but I don't know how the fuck you could ingest a substance with a known response and somehow think oh wow my mind is lying to me, these are only good sometimes. no Psychedelics are bad all the time. you shouldn't have to take psychedelics at all, but if you are, figure out why the fuck you are and move the fuck on. y'all sound like a bunch of fucking idiots to me. I got this way because I wasn't afraid to give up my mind, people told me to slow down and I thought fuck you i'm making progress and i'll make progress at my rate. and when I thought my mind was going to snap I kept going and broke through and now all you dumb cunts want to tell me I didn't experience something that you're trying to get and think you have to explain yourself to me. Start explaining yourself to yourself and figure it the fuck out on your own, look to the world for guidance. look inside yourself for answers. 


and find enlightened people in your life, I met 2 and knew it when they started speaking. I knew I wanted what they had, and took great interest in them. and am fortunate to have them as my therapist and my best personal friend now. they helped get me here.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26483258 - 02/13/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

yah, any and every moment can be a teacher, stay awake, be respectful, progress.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26483267 - 02/13/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I guess shrooms can be heavy and heaviness isnt enlightenment. The sense of air is closer to enlightenment. Heaviness can bog you down that can cause problems but ultimately lead you on your way to healing the mishaps of the mind that you suppressed for eons have the intention of healing and you will heal. You dont need psychedelics to do this and can confuse your mind into insanity insanity is not enlightenment it is being stuck in your mind body and soul supressed you dont want to be insane but it ultimately leads to your enlightenment. Sometimes being bogged down in being forced to deal with crisis is the jumpstart we need for enlightenment.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Connection]
    #26483324 - 02/13/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Here we go with the verbal abuse again....

Is it seriously that hard to understand that different people have different experiences?

That maybe, it’s ok for others to travel their own path in life?

What exactly are you defending  330ci? Do you REALLY need everyone to agree with you? Or maybe, you just can’t stand anyone disagreeing? Do you really think you will convince anyone of your position this way?

It’s great that you came out of all that stuff, it’s great that you and your friends are enlightened. Opposing views don’t negate your experiences. Do they? Why belittle everyone who hasn’t advanced as far as you? Where is the compassion?


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26483331 - 02/13/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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yah, any and every moment can be a teacher, stay awake, be respectful, progress.




I strive to be receptive and to not denounce. I tend to keep my eyes wide.
Of course, I'm not always fully successful - some things I may not comprehend, some things I may have adversities to that I have trouble overcoming. Sometimes my eyes tire.
Fixation isn't my agenda, I don't believe that most things can be infinitely true.

While I agree that most things can be incorporated as lessons, I don't agree that all of them can.
If for no other reason than the use of 'can'. If that's a variable in the equation, the equation falls apart.
Because they can not, that leaves open the possibility for them to not.
To poke a hole in my own belief, I suppose the one caveat might be that there is something to learn in that there are some things that cannot offer lessons; there are correlative lessons in absence.
However, I think this is straying from my relevant position.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
    #26483337 - 02/13/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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330ci said:
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feldman114 said:
This is how your reply reads:
“You’re too stupid to understand that your bad trips are good. Nothing is useless or wrong...But I know all trips are good because I’m humble and enlightened. Therefore, your perspective is useless and wrong.”

I think you bustas need to check yo self befo’ you contradict yo self.
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330ci said:
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feldman114 said:
Just echoing footpath here but, just because every trip you ever had was either “rough or smooth” doesn’t mean there are no other kinds of trips. If the only thing you get out of the trip is discomfort and angst, it’s just a bad trip - not useful OR enjoyable in any way.





if that's what you choose to believe, and if you use psychedelics for purely recreational purposes, but the fact is, if you believe God created the universe, then he created all things in the universe, and if he created all things in the universe, he created you too, and if you use a psychedelic, he's trying to talk to you. but your not fucking listening and that's why you find these experiences useless. these are tools for enlightenment and until you respect them as such, you'll continue to feel this way about bad trips. you're a sum of your experiences in life, you are supposed to learn from everything. it took me a long time to figure it all out. I wish you the best of luck on your journey




Like I said, just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean others haven’t. Duh. I can’t believe I have to explain such simple things twice, and to such an “openminded” psychonaut.





i've been given the gift of enlightenment I don't give a fuck what you think lol sorry you felt the need to explain yourself at all I know bad trips don't exist because I've never had one, you're right. but I don't know how the fuck you could ingest a substance with a known response and somehow think oh wow my mind is lying to me, these are only good sometimes. no Psychedelics are bad all the time. you shouldn't have to take psychedelics at all, but if you are, figure out why the fuck you are and move the fuck on. y'all sound like a bunch of fucking idiots to me. I got this way because I wasn't afraid to give up my mind, people told me to slow down and I thought fuck you i'm making progress and i'll make progress at my rate. and when I thought my mind was going to snap I kept going and broke through and now all you dumb cunts want to tell me I didn't experience something that you're trying to get and think you have to explain yourself to me. Start explaining yourself to yourself and figure it the fuck out on your own, look to the world for guidance. look inside yourself for answers. 


and find enlightened people in your life, I met 2 and knew it when they started speaking. I knew I wanted what they had, and took great interest in them. and am fortunate to have them as my therapist and my best personal friend now. they helped get me here.




Yesss calling people “dumb cunts” and getting pissy because you lost an anonymous debate are great signs of enlightenment :rofl2:


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26483364 - 02/13/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I could never reduce someones life to mere words its impossible, its really tempting to be able to do so. You can in a sense learn from just a terrible tip id imagine, just not in the way that we have in mind when we think about psychedelics for instance, i had a shitty trip now i know not to eat mexican food beforehand lol learned something about the gut. It can be dangerous to assume that psychedelics are a cure to everything. If you have the right mindset you can learn from any experience.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
    #26483380 - 02/13/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yesss calling people “dumb cunts” and getting pissy because you lost an anonymous debate are great signs of enlightenment :rofl2:

Yaaaassss bitch! I was going to post something similar, lol! Suuuuuuch enlightenment, much wow!


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26483390 - 02/13/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

he is enlightened...ya dumb cunt, over 9000


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone] * 1
    #26483416 - 02/13/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

At least it's come full circle and we've shown we agree that - whether or not you can learn from them, bad trips do exist.
You may not call them bad trips and they may hold a different interpretation based on the individual. But they obviously fucking exist and mushrooms can 100% induce them.
It doesn't take an enlightened person to experience discomfort, hardship, roughness, bad situations, turmoil, trauma, etc.
And just because you can work through integrating one of these experiences into your life, it very evidently does not mean that you're acquired or maintained an enlightenment.

My getting tangential about the nature of 'learning' was certainly just a subdivision of the actual point; my own interpretation of the nature of a bad trip.
It's not to say that I'm not the consequence of that I experience, but I maintain that simply 'repairing' is not tantamount to 'learning'. It can be and most often is. But it also is not. And that is the time when I would consider a trip truly 'bad'.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26483419 - 02/13/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

when you live in my world it's a lonely place and seeing people being so naive is quite frustrating. to each their own, keep believing in bad trips. but until you learn why they aren't bad you'll never understand me. and when you do, you will be laughing and doing the same shit I am.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci] * 1
    #26483436 - 02/13/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

To each their own, indeed.

You're obviously getting frustrated at the suggestions being proposed because they don't adhere to your own experience.
If you took the time to actually analyze even your own words, you'd realize that you're also saying that bad trips exist. Everyone here is. Because it's a subjective matter.
All of the responses that seem contrary are just, 'well, it's actually like this' - describing one unique situation in regard to the effects of psychedelics. It's just a devolved into a redundant jabberwocky pissing contest as to who has the correct interpretation and whether or not 'bad' is 'bad'. It's seriously dense and could have been nipped in the bud with the first mention of subjectivity.
Literally, "That's subjective." could have ended this entire thread.
But I'll leave that up to you to decide in your throne of enlightenment.
To each their own. Quite so.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26483455 - 02/13/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I love you footpath! You put things so eloquently and precise to what I am thinking on the matter(s) at hand.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26483475 - 02/13/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

People are within their rights to be scared of unearthing their own emotions, there's a reason they have them bottled up. When I've had these fears before tripping on a variety of substances things have usually turned out well. But I think the reason for that is that I'm pretty good at being honest with myself in those moments where it pays to be. That being said, I've definitely had some times when I was hit with a whole lot in the wrong physical setting( the wrong people showing up unexpectedly etc, you get it) and that just felt stifling and embarrassing. So, I would call that a bad trip but not in the conventional sense. A bad trip lies within someone's own definition.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: sabinastreasure]
    #26483542 - 02/13/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

all of my threads turn to shit don't they?


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: sabinastreasure]
    #26483553 - 02/13/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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People are within their rights to be scared of unearthing their own emotions, there's a reason they have them bottled up. When I've had these fears before tripping on a variety of substances things have usually turned out well. But I think the reason for that is that I'm pretty good at being honest with myself in those moments where it pays to be. That being said, I've definitely had some times when I was hit with a whole lot in the wrong physical setting( the wrong people showing up unexpectedly etc, you get it) and that just felt stifling and embarrassing. So, I would call that a bad trip but not in the conventional sense. A bad trip lies within someone's own definition.




Excellent first post!

Thoughtful and balanced, very much appreciate you acknowledging a persons right to be afraid and recognizing they may have reasons for it. Deep stuff.

Definitely can agree with defining “being hit with a whole lot in the wrong setting” as a bad trip, and maybe even that could turn into a learning experience afterward, but, at that moment when your world is crashing in and somebody in your group is denying that you could possibly be having a bad time, maybe even starts teasing or becoming irritated because you are killing their vibe.... good luck navigating through that.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
    #26483555 - 02/13/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus] * 2
    #26483560 - 02/13/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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all of my threads turn to shit don't they?




Nah man. You definitely have a knack for generating conversation. Just because people have a tendency to turn it to muck doesn't mean you don't pose valid considerations that can be contemplated on and discussed.


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26483600 - 02/13/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Plus 1! Again!


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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
    #26483607 - 02/13/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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all of my threads turn to shit don't they?




Nah man. You definitely have a knack for generating conversation. Just because people have a tendency to turn it to muck doesn't mean you don't pose valid considerations that can be contemplated on and discussed.




Agreed.


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