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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26480979 - 02/11/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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eh i like what footpath is saying i dont mind the tone
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
#26481067 - 02/11/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kinda late to the party aren’t ya, buddy?
And, did you actually have anything else to add, or were you just picking a side?
How’s that for tone? 😎
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26481107 - 02/11/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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hey...you cant talk to me like that
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone] 1
#26481146 - 02/11/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I rather think of a trip as hard or soft rather than good or bad. Because when a trip gets really intense it can get hard to move even while standing. A hard trip might have a sense of fear or presence without unpleasant sensations. While people say there was a bad trip more often than not I believe there is a coming to terms with one’s fears or a exploration into the darkness. Into the dark where there are less limitation needed to protect your psyche and seeing hearing feeling or gaining knowledge of what is really out there
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Ram the shroomer]
#26481897 - 02/12/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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rough or smooth...
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: redgreenvines]
#26481903 - 02/12/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just echoing footpath here but, just because every trip you ever had was either “rough or smooth” doesn’t mean there are no other kinds of trips. If the only thing you get out of the trip is discomfort and angst, it’s just a bad trip - not useful OR enjoyable in any way.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
#26482316 - 02/12/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: Just echoing footpath here but, just because every trip you ever had was either “rough or smooth” doesn’t mean there are no other kinds of trips. If the only thing you get out of the trip is discomfort and angst, it’s just a bad trip - not useful OR enjoyable in any way.
if that's what you choose to believe, and if you use psychedelics for purely recreational purposes, but the fact is, if you believe God created the universe, then he created all things in the universe, and if he created all things in the universe, he created you too, and if you use a psychedelic, he's trying to talk to you. but your not fucking listening and that's why you find these experiences useless. these are tools for enlightenment and until you respect them as such, you'll continue to feel this way about bad trips. you're a sum of your experiences in life, you are supposed to learn from everything. it took me a long time to figure it all out. I wish you the best of luck on your journey
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26482344 - 02/12/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can believe god created the universe, but you also have a brain js were not pure souls maybe before we were embodied in this vessel...Think about it, its dangerous to abandon our thinking organ it leads to wars
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
#26482420 - 02/12/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can evil people escape being reborn? Usually (in religions) that was into lower realms for the wheel to grind some more. No I suspect most just would choose dissolution.
I know this is kind of a weird subject but it seemed to come up naturally - because, "bad" trips.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26482438 - 02/12/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dont want to crush you but theres no such thing as rebirth
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
#26482557 - 02/12/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok, I still think debating the moral value of another persons trip is insanely stupid. I will try and give an actual opinion on the actual subject.
Everyone is on their own trip, and perspective is everything.
If someone has what they choose to describe as a “bad trip”, how or why should I judge it as anything else? It is, of course, their perspective, which they are free to keep or change. I personally don’t think it is fair or logical to assume that the others are doing something wrong simply on the basis that they don’t find a similar value as I do in certain types of experiences.
Not everyone trips like I do. And that’s ok.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
#26482582 - 02/12/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Backbone said: I dont want to crush you but theres no such thing as rebirth
How are you so sure? I notice you didn’t challenge the God concept that was also raised. Are you specifically against rebirth, or more generally against all metaphysical beliefs? 😊
( feels like this thread is about to go religious, which makes sense since we are already arguing the moral validity of individual psychedelic experiences )
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
#26482679 - 02/12/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Backbone said: I dont want to crush you but theres no such thing as rebirth
Never said I believed there was, but you're talking about emdodying pure souls, or not, which is exactly that. Or maybe just bs.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist *DELETED* [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26482693 - 02/12/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Connection]
#26482727 - 02/12/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Holy Wall of Text, Batman!
Can’t I get a tldr?
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Connection]
#26482750 - 02/12/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Connection said: No they are all good trips ive been on level 5 trips on shrooms acid and dmt and salvia and weed and you learn there is no bad trips and there is really no rabbit hole of unescapable doom. Fear yes but not doom. You reach a safety net that all trips are good and learn you a lesson. Thats why its unmistakeable that there are bad trips. All are good. They higher your consciousness.
A psychotic episode could mean a lot of repressed thoughts that were waiting to lurk out. Now i know its all opinion based but can you not learn from what is deemed as wrong? Wrong points to the right direction if you think about it. It untracks you from the wrong and bad. All is good and all is a lesson. If you were to watch the ring on shrooms you would realise there is nothing to fear that your fears are irrational and you let some little girl with black hair scare you but who knows what if im the one whose wrong.
I think right and wrong are subjective to experience. If you learn from something bad i mean learn from it not get distracted at getting scared and realise your fears are only their because you havent faced it and are subconscioussly haunting you regardless whether you watch that movie or not and that not facing it is the reason you have the horror then you will get comfortable with any level trip. That fears are in your mind. I hope this helps in some way or i could be completely delusional from my trips who knows right?
I dont think anyone can say forsure with full authority over someone elses life. Thats whats wrong. If what you deem as bad is bad to you who am i to tell you its not bad. Like i get paranoid when i smoke weed more than any other psychedelic but i was do experience altered states of conscioussness that can either be helpful or not helpful. Either way i think its bad if you cant learn from the experience and it paralyzes you and lack of growth. But thats my take on it I could be wrong who is the full authority here on this? And why should i trust anybody to tell me what i experience?
Its all a take of goodwill and badwill. But thats my experience tbh. I think the only bad trip is if you cant learn from it and gain no knowledge. If its completely useless for you and screws up your head in negative ways that i would deem as bad. But like i said its all subjective isnt it? Sometime is takes years to learn from a so called bad trip and thats okay nothing wrong with that but i think they can temporarily be a nucance and screw you up temporarily.
Bad trips are temporarily bad until they scare you and realize all your fears were delusions. But i dont think everybody is all smiles when they first take psychedelics and have no idea what they are doing haha. If whats youve been hiding from is fear your whole life you dont have real problems.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Backbone]
#26483141 - 02/13/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Backbone said: You can believe god created the universe, but you also have a brain js were not pure souls maybe before we were embodied in this vessel...Think about it, its dangerous to abandon our thinking organ it leads to wars
Everything happens for a reason, I tried killing myself multiple times in multiple ways, losing my mind to psychs was a last ditch effort at life for me and it fortunately worked. I went to any lengths possible to save my life and didn’t accept anyone’s bullshit in the process no matter how shitty it made me feel because I truely believed one day I would break out of the shit cycle life had me stuck in and I’d be free once I finally broke it
Now I am, and I don’t ever see me needing psychs again in life. I quit alcohol and cigarettes, cut out candy and caffeinated drinks all in the past 3 weeks. I got the answers I was looking for and I’m ready to hang up the phone.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26483193 - 02/13/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bad trips are when you don't have the tools to learn from, and integrate a difficult experience into every day life. An experienced and thoughtful guide is often very important for people who are using higher doses of psychedelics therapeutically with specific intentions.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: daysbetween] 1
#26483232 - 02/13/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just about everything can give you something to consider. You can tune into every aspect of a situation or scenario and dissect it and try to come to conclusions and draw connections. But it's very piss and vinegar to think you can learn from everything. Some things are simply missteps, miscalculations, random events, circumstance, coincidence. Some things are simply just destructive, and what's destroyed is simply just destroyed. You can mend the elements around it and maybe consider that your 'learning' experience, but it's merely just a scar with the lesson of, 'well, that was destructive'. And, depending on the severity of the destruction, sometimes there's just about nothing that mending can do to reunite the pieces into anything resembling its previous form. If you want to call that enlightenment, you've got a whole other confusion that I can't possibly prod at.
There's a lot of hubbub surrounding the subjectivity of this topic. Everyone, of course, thinks bad things have happened to them. But it doesn't seem like many have known what it's like to maimed and dismembered. It's privileged and ignorant to be able to finitely say that all things are something to integrate and learn from - something that influenced your growth. Sure, every circumstance that has ever happened had subsequent circumstances. But that's a contemptible correlation to the idea that 'you are the sum of your parts.' Just because someone got brain damage from a car accident doesn't mean that they think to themselves, 'well, this is what has made me, me.' No. What was them is an impression on this shell of their being that has come to be them.
That is bad trip. Bad trips might be the furthest thing from spiritual that these substances have to offer. They'll make it scary obvious that you should hold your mortal coil in high reverence.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26483247 - 02/13/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is how your reply reads: “You’re too stupid to understand that your bad trips are good. Nothing is useless or wrong...But I know all trips are good because I’m humble and enlightened. Therefore, your perspective is useless and wrong.”
I think you bustas need to check yo self befo’ you contradict yo self.Quote:
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feldman114 said: Just echoing footpath here but, just because every trip you ever had was either “rough or smooth” doesn’t mean there are no other kinds of trips. If the only thing you get out of the trip is discomfort and angst, it’s just a bad trip - not useful OR enjoyable in any way.
if that's what you choose to believe, and if you use psychedelics for purely recreational purposes, but the fact is, if you believe God created the universe, then he created all things in the universe, and if he created all things in the universe, he created you too, and if you use a psychedelic, he's trying to talk to you. but your not fucking listening and that's why you find these experiences useless. these are tools for enlightenment and until you respect them as such, you'll continue to feel this way about bad trips. you're a sum of your experiences in life, you are supposed to learn from everything. it took me a long time to figure it all out. I wish you the best of luck on your journey
Like I said, just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean others haven’t. Duh. I can’t believe I have to explain such simple things twice, and to such an “openminded” psychonaut.
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