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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater] 1
#26472359 - 02/06/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don’t believe that mushrooms show or teach you anything that isn’t already inside your head. It’s just a catalyst. It’s not a teacher it’s a tool. You’re the teacher and the student.
There’s a difference between getting overwhelmed with negative thoughts and having a psychotic break. It’s difficult to imagine what does through somebody’s head when they’re unhinged like that. It’s not logical.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26472361 - 02/06/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your opinion is just that, what one considers bad is all that it needs to be. If I'm full of anxiety, just want it to end and having a terrible time... that's a bad trip.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: mendocino_beano]
#26472363 - 02/06/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mendocino_beano said: I don’t believe that mushrooms show or teach you anything that isn’t already inside your head. It’s just a catalyst. It’s not a teacher it’s a tool. You’re the teacher and the student.
There’s a difference between getting overwhelmed with negative thoughts and having a psychotic break. It’s difficult to imagine what does through somebody’s head when they’re unhinged like that. It’s not logical.
I very much agree with this.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Shr00mEater] 2
#26473354 - 02/07/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shr00mEater said: looks like it is about to devolve into semantics over the term “bad trip”, or escalate into a hilarious game of “I know better than you”.
Yup.
KJ, how long have you been working with psychedelics? It seems you're pretty new to it. And, while you have a good comprehension of the things you read subsequent to your limited experiences, they're just that: limited. It seems you're very steadfast to the latest findings and concepts of neuroscience and psychology... both of which are fields teeming with controversy and subjectivity. It doesn't seem like you've had many personal accounts of much of the things you speculate about.
Bad might be a bad word to use for it. Traumatic is more apt and you can't tell someone that any experience, psychedelic or not, has not caused them trauma. A single visual instance can cause permanent trauma. Dreams can cause permanent trauma. Suppressed memories and emotional responses, too, can absolutely cause permanent trauma. Pair that potential susceptibility with a psychedelic influence and you have yourself a 'bad trip'. To say that trauma isn't valid and 'bad' is disrespectful and naive.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
#26473384 - 02/07/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bad trips don’t exist, huh? Ok, go eat a few grams at home, turn The Ring or Us or smthn like that on the TV and watch it start to finish.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
#26473415 - 02/07/20 08:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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again I don't think this would cause a bad trip as long as you thought about the fears you experienced during that experience and why they were scary. sounds like a fun science experiment to me. i'm not about to face that part of my mind right now but I might seek to satisfy that curiosity at some point as that sounds like an extremely daunting mental task. its now up there on my list with tripping on a plane for "ideas that are probably not very good, but would be a very unique mind opening experience."
you have nothing to fear but fear itself. I heard that once somewhere a time or two, apparently a wise man once said it. to truely integrate every psychedelic experience in your life completely would be confronting the fears you experienced and realizing how those unreal concepts are manifesting themselves in the reality of your life from my experience.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26473424 - 02/07/20 08:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You’re just not experienced enough imo. Filling your mind space with horrific shit on mushrooms is NOT a “fun” idea. It won’t be powerful, there won’t be much revelations, it won’t be therapy on steroids - it’ll just be horrific.
No offense dude, but if you don’t respect the mush, you’ll find out all about bad trips soon enough....
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26473430 - 02/07/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Most film/television is ridiculous to me when I'm tripping. I don't like most scary/gory/thriller movies normally and if I happen to catch it when I'm tripping, I usually find myself laughing at it. I had a small subset of friends who made a habit of it, in fact. I didn't join them often, but would from time to time.
Fear plays only a part in bad trips. There's a level of pain and loss that predominates what I would classify as a bad trip. Fear is usually the result and usually comes after the trip is over. Waking up for months after an isolated incident with that same displacement and mental agony is enough to strike fear into anyone... confronting it doesn't necessarily make it go away.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
#26473435 - 02/07/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It’s not about gore or violence. It’s the background music and suspense. It’s just too much - you’re loading your subconscious with horrific thoughts.
I took a couple grams before going to see Us...shit was not fun...knives in the corner of my eye and shit.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
#26473443 - 02/07/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haunted houses can be fun on cid,... but just about everything is short of riding in a car... I hate that shit. Get so tense I hurt for days after
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
#26473444 - 02/07/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: You’re just not experienced enough imo. Filling your mind space with horrific shit on mushrooms is NOT a “fun” idea. It won’t be powerful, there won’t be much revelations, it won’t be therapy on steroids - it’ll just be horrific.
No offense dude, but if you don’t respect the mush, you’ll find out all about bad trips soon enough....
no offense dude, but if you understood the power of your mind and the power of these substances you would have no problem going balls deep into a horror flick while tripping your ass off. I don't watch horror movies as I don't find them scary. I find the genre interesting but realistically i've been at deaths door multiple times, said hello, had a drink with the chap and he sent me back here. fear is just a concept of the mind, and as long as you're aware of yourself you will be able to handle this experience just fine. it's not very high up on my list of things to seek out, but you've just entered the possibility of it into my mind, that created a void I never realized was there and I can try to find the value in it from an outside perspective.but why not find value from the experience if I found the time one day? the fact that this is an idea you think would cause a bad trip when I don't think a bad trip is possible, it would satisfy a void. and if I got too uncomfortable I'd just shut it off and find a better place in my mind for me to be. if I succeeded I guarantee you'd come back being a cuck about the whole situation and tell me my L or shrooms were bad, or that I didn't take enough, or my eyes were closed for certain portions so I didn't completely experience the reality or some bullshit.
You will find a million reasons to justify people having bad trips and I will find a million reasons how that person could've learned from the experience. don't come at me with this I don't understand shrooms bullshit though because you don't understand yourself.
and notice how I didn't say it would be a "fun" experience, i described it as a not very good idea but would be a mind opening experience.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus] 1
#26473447 - 02/07/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I accidentally took Pans instead of cubes once and i was damn near catatonic and stuck in this delusion in my head that I was on a slave boat being transported somewhere and couldnt move and couldnt open my eyes and shit. For like a solid 3-4 hours
Find the spiritual healing in that, hippie
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
#26473455 - 02/07/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: It’s not about gore or violence. It’s the background music and suspense. It’s just too much - you’re loading your subconscious with horrific thoughts.
I took a couple grams before going to see Us...shit was not fun...knives in the corner of my eye and shit.
Right. It's the whole composition. And, when your mind is in that analytical state of psychedelic awareness, you become very privvy to the intention and direction of the composers. It becomes really obvious what they're trying to provoke and thus becomes kind of laughable because you're not really of the type of mind that they've modeled for their provocations. At least in my experience and those few friends I had.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci] 2
#26473456 - 02/07/20 08:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: You’re just not experienced enough imo. Filling your mind space with horrific shit on mushrooms is NOT a “fun” idea. It won’t be powerful, there won’t be much revelations, it won’t be therapy on steroids - it’ll just be horrific.
No offense dude, but if you don’t respect the mush, you’ll find out all about bad trips soon enough....
no offense dude, but if you understood the power of your mind and the power of these substances you would have no problem going balls deep into a horror flick while tripping your ass off. I don't watch horror movies as I don't find them scary. I find the genre interesting but realistically i've been at deaths door multiple times, said hello, had a drink with the chap and he sent me back here. fear is just a concept of the mind, and as long as you're aware of yourself you will be able to handle this experience just fine. it's not very high up on my list of things to seek out, but you've just entered the possibility of it into my mind, that created a void I never realized was there and I can try to find the value in it from an outside perspective.but why not find value from the experience if I found the time one day? the fact that this is an idea you think would cause a bad trip when I don't think a bad trip is possible, it would satisfy a void. and if I got too uncomfortable I'd just shut it off and find a better place in my mind for me to be. if I succeeded I guarantee you'd come back being a cuck about the whole situation and tell me my L or shrooms were bad, or that I didn't take enough, or my eyes were closed for certain portions so I didn't completely experience the reality or some bullshit.
You will find a million reasons to justify people having bad trips and I will find a million reasons how that person could've learned from the experience. don't come at me with this I don't understand shrooms bullshit though because you don't understand yourself.
and notice how I didn't say it would be a "fun" experience, i described it as a not very good idea but would be a mind opening experience.
Oh I see, I’m just not developed enough to understand you. Got it. Good luck with your enlightenment
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
#26473464 - 02/07/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: It’s not about gore or violence. It’s the background music and suspense. It’s just too much - you’re loading your subconscious with horrific thoughts.
I took a couple grams before going to see Us...shit was not fun...knives in the corner of my eye and shit.
Right. It's the whole composition. And, when your mind is in that analytical state of psychedelic awareness, you become very privvy to the intention and direction of the composers. It becomes really obvious what they're trying to provoke and thus becomes kind of laughable because you're not really of the type of mind that they've modeled for their provocations. At least in my experience and those few friends I had.
What I mean is that it’s not the violence, story or the “scariness” of the movie that got me. It was the state of my subconscious. During the come up it was all suspenseful music and creep imagery, which triggered thought loops of horrific (but kinda unrelated) shit.
Idk, the best mushroom experiences I’ve had would be labeled as “bad trips” by most people...weeping for hours, remembering repressed trauma...but those had so much value. This was just disturbing. It was the only time I wanted a trip to end already.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
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feldman114 said: You’re just not experienced enough imo. Filling your mind space with horrific shit on mushrooms is NOT a “fun” idea. It won’t be powerful, there won’t be much revelations, it won’t be therapy on steroids - it’ll just be horrific.
No offense dude, but if you don’t respect the mush, you’ll find out all about bad trips soon enough....
no offense dude, but if you understood the power of your mind and the power of these substances you would have no problem going balls deep into a horror flick while tripping your ass off. I don't watch horror movies as I don't find them scary. I find the genre interesting but realistically i've been at deaths door multiple times, said hello, had a drink with the chap and he sent me back here. fear is just a concept of the mind, and as long as you're aware of yourself you will be able to handle this experience just fine. it's not very high up on my list of things to seek out, but you've just entered the possibility of it into my mind, that created a void I never realized was there and I can try to find the value in it from an outside perspective.but why not find value from the experience if I found the time one day? the fact that this is an idea you think would cause a bad trip when I don't think a bad trip is possible, it would satisfy a void. and if I got too uncomfortable I'd just shut it off and find a better place in my mind for me to be. if I succeeded I guarantee you'd come back being a cuck about the whole situation and tell me my L or shrooms were bad, or that I didn't take enough, or my eyes were closed for certain portions so I didn't completely experience the reality or some bullshit.
You will find a million reasons to justify people having bad trips and I will find a million reasons how that person could've learned from the experience. don't come at me with this I don't understand shrooms bullshit though because you don't understand yourself.
and notice how I didn't say it would be a "fun" experience, i described it as a not very good idea but would be a mind opening experience.
Oh I see, I’m just not developed enough to understand you. Got it. Good luck with your enlightenment 
I didn't say you're not developed enough to understand me, I don't expect that from anyone. I said you don't understand yourself well enough to realize how laughable the experience you've portrayed as some horrifying endeavor is. then have the audacity to call me out as if I'm unaware of what these substances are capable of because your concept of reality doesn't allow you to grasp how they could be used in a certain way for personal growth. I never said you came up with a great idea, that it would be a profound experience, i'm not living to survive anymore, pretty much everything I do in life is "because I feel like fucking doing it." the only reason I think it's a bad idea at this point is because i'm talking to the creator of the thought and he's a real fuckin gem.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26473486 - 02/07/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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yes I’m so much worse than you - a very enlightened thought
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114]
#26473493 - 02/07/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, I mean, drawing stuff up from the depths of your being is pretty much one of the main reasons to take psychedelics. That's definitely just a trying psychedelic experience - by no means bad and often some of the most useful.
Bad trips can come from anything and no experience can guarantee one. Bad trips are your mind losing traction and your body freaking the fuck out about it. They're never coherent and there's no 'working through it.' I've lost my internal monologue and analytical abilities from a bad trip. Tell me, how does one accept and internalize that? They don't. They carcass through life for x time while things hopefully start returning to them bit by bit.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: footpath]
#26473518 - 02/07/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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footpath said: Yeah, I mean, drawing stuff up from the depths of your being is pretty much one of the main reasons to take psychedelics. That's definitely just a trying psychedelic experience - by no means bad and often some of the most useful.
Bad trips can come from anything and no experience can guarantee one. Bad trips are your mind losing traction and your body freaking the fuck out about it. They're never coherent and there's no 'working through it.' I've lost my internal monologue and analytical abilities from a bad trip. Tell me, how does one accept and internalize that? They don't. They carcass through life for x time while things hopefully start returning to them bit by bit.
You might be onto something...maybe it was just a coincidence that it happened during “Us”. I also forgot to mention that just being at a movie theater was a big mistake. I just felt trapped in every way, but mostly in the dreadful and useless mind loop of “someone here is about to stab me”.
Definitely can’t call the experience “useful” in any way, shape or form.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: feldman114] 1
#26473519 - 02/07/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: yes I’m so much worse than you - a very enlightened thought
again with the projections, nowhere in my statements have I said you are worse than me. we're here discussing bad trips. You made a statement about doing a certain activity that you believe would cause a bad trip. I am trying to understand why you feel that this experience would lead to a bad trip and why you think that the experience would be profoundly bad. I've had trips I didn't enjoy in the moment but the growth afterwards was rewarding and which has helped shaped my beliefs towards these experiences, many people think about bad trips and get stuck on them but how do you move past them? I had a trip that caused me to fear psychedelics so much I didn't touch them for 6 years. but I still don't think of it as a bad trip. I just realized that I had reached a point of disconnect between my beliefs and my reality that I needed to spend the time to realign them. my personal belief is that people can believe they're having bad trips in the moment, but forcing yourself through those fears is how you make growth and progress in life. our bodies have been so conditioned to fear so many things throughout humanity its our job to uncondition them so the human mind can be free of it's own limitations. I personally have come to realize that most people just describe bad trips as scary, all of those scary thoughts are just projections of our own mind, so the answers to why they're scary have to be in there somewhere, and with the right questions you can take things that are irrational, rationalize them and change your perception on reality.
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