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My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist 1
#26471874 - 02/06/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I do not believe in bad mushroom trips. I think what people call bad trips are them not accepting what their brain is trying to tell them. Yes, heavy trips can be extremely unpleasant, but learning about yourself and what your brain thinks, wants, and fears on a primal level is not "bad."
On my heroic dose, there were large stretches of time where I was terrified. I don't mean just a bit scared, I mean genuinely the most scared I have ever been in my life. However, I realized while it was happening that I had to be terrified in order to understand what my brain was trying to convey to me. This trip helped me get rid of anxieties and overall has had a profoundly good impact on my life because instead of rejecting what my brain was trying to tell me, I accepted and internalized it.
As a bonus, once I accepted it, the trip became much better, even becoming extremely euphoric and amazing.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26471877 - 02/06/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I stoped doing acid because Iv had a few bad trips. Granted they definitely help shape who I am today but I’d say it’s bad when you watch yourself get killed over and over again.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: SFS96]
#26471885 - 02/06/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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IMO bad trips can happen on acid. It's not purely a tryptamine and your fears on it can be irrational rather than based in truth. Although even on ridiculous doses (almost 700ug), when my walls were transforming into paintings from my childhood and I was hearing sounds that definitely weren't there (I thought my friend was playing music on the phone and told him to stop when he wasn't), I've had uncomfortable periods but never a "bad trip." Acid is usually kinder than shrooms in part because of its phenethylamine component.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus] 3
#26471973 - 02/06/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your argument is based on the idea that no one could possibly have a different experience from what you have had, which is bad logic in general. Just because you haven't had one yet that doesn't mean they don't exist. Different people can have different experiences from what you have had, that's normal in life in general, but seems to be a hard concept to grasp for a lot of people.
Not believing in the existence of bad trips is like not believing the world is round. Whether or not you believe in them, bad trips exist anyway.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: nooneman]
#26471977 - 02/06/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bad trips are people experiencing bad emotions unearthed by their brain. But this is only a bad thing if you don't accept what your brain is trying to tell you. Bad emotions do not constitute a bad trip.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26471982 - 02/06/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm a believer of no such thing as bad trips, just difficult ones, whatever it may mean to the user.
Now if you ingest something and go for a walk on the highway then that is entirely different category.... Lol
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: bolt_snap_bolt]
#26472078 - 02/06/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Call it whatever you want. It sucks when it happens to you, I’m sure.
I haven’t really had a bad trip exactly but then again I’m cautious with where, when and how much I dose. I do believe in them and I don’t want to have one.
If you think it’s just going to be as easy as telling your brain to enjoy it, when you’re in a fully psychotic state due to a high dose and/or some psychotic break triggered by it, I think that is being naive.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: mendocino_beano]
#26472081 - 02/06/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree that you can’t tell yourself to enjoy it. But if you’re having a bad time it’s not because you’re having a bad trip, it’s because your brain is trying to tell you unpleasant truths.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: mendocino_beano]
#26472102 - 02/06/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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you can't be an idiot with these drugs. people have bad trips for a myriad of reasons but the biggest one is because they believe it. I haven't had the crazy scary experiences people talk about experiencing because i've already experienced them in sober life myself. psychedelics have helped me figure out why I tried to kill myself, face those darknesses, realize they're not scary and move forward. we create our own reality, our own hell, our own fears. which means we're capable of unlearning them if we look deep enough into ourselves. some people see this shit and get freaked the fuck out like a buncha pussies and run from their feelings and that's okay, keep giving psychedelics a bad name. I find the people who have bad trips don't know what theyre doing with these substances and find themselves in situations where they can't process reality momentarily and just assume the substance itself was bad instead of realizing they didn't have a fucking clue what they were taking. I was aware of psychedelics, had used dmt multiple times and still waited 10 years to try shrooms and cid because of how afraid I was of the substances. I knew they were always there if I was ready and even when I thought I was ready, I was still floored.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26472108 - 02/06/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: I agree that you can’t tell yourself to enjoy it. But if you’re having a bad time it’s not because you’re having a bad trip, it’s because your brain is trying to tell you unpleasant truths.
you can't tell yourself to enjoy it, but you can question why you're experiencing fear in the situation, think about what is so scary about it, tell yourself you're tripping, ask if this is not the experience you were seeking? I ask myself questions until I forget why I was worried, scared or upset in the first place.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: mendocino_beano]
#26472125 - 02/06/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mendocino_beano said: Call it whatever you want. It sucks when it happens to you, I’m sure.
I haven’t really had a bad trip exactly but then again I’m cautious with where, when and how much I dose. I do believe in them and I don’t want to have one.
If you think it’s just going to be as easy as telling your brain to enjoy it, when you’re in a fully psychotic state due to a high dose and/or some psychotic break triggered by it, I think that is being naive.
I can remember most of what happened through out my psychotic breaks and it was never pretty, but the thing that held me back from growth was thinking others could tell me and fix what was wrong with me when that's purely of my own doing. the fear might have seemed very real, but it wasn't and that makes the fear irrational, so you have to look behind what you think was going on and face what actually happened. until you look into the voids of your mind you're going to continue to feel that fear. but fear is an extremely overstated emotion in most peoples lives, I personally don't fear death from most of my activities, and i've come to accept that if I die during certain activities it was worth going that way because living in fear is absurd.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26472128 - 02/06/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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if you believe bad trips exist, you'll likely experience one, what was the worst trip you had? would you consider this a bad trip? why or why not?
if you believe you can learn from all your trips, you likely will, can you experience discomfort during a trip and still have a good time? how do you decide when a trip is good or bad? is there not discomfort at some point from every tripping experience? how do you differentiate these benefits from other drugs you consume?
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26472142 - 02/06/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have certainly experienced discomfort during trips but it’s almost always been rational discomfort. The few times I’ve become paranoid it subsided when I thought about other things. But when the discomfort was a result of unresolved issues, I had to think through them and resolve them in order to break free (which is supremely useful!)
For me, I’ll decide that I’ve had a bad trip if its net benefit is negative. That could mean I was scared the whole time and didn’t derive anything from it, or that I did learn some important things but it wasn’t worth it. This has never happened to me, although mushrooms have almost always been scarier than acid.
I don’t do any drugs other than psychedelics and weed (and alcohol). Weed is similar in that it can make you uncomfortable with harsh truths when you smoke a lot of it, although I feel my intellect is dampered and I find it much harder to think through these things. Still, it can be good to be confronted with things you’d usually bury. I decided to only smoke at most twice a week while really high, not sober.
Although I will say as I’ve tripped more often fear/discomfort has been greatly reduced so that I can now sometimes to entire trips without many negative feelings at all. Maybe it’s because I’ve resolved things that bothered my subconscious, maybe it’s because I’m better able to cope, but either way it does feel like a true measure of mental wellbeing is if you can control your thoughts on drugs that make you psychotic.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: 330ci]
#26472144 - 02/06/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I guess the "bad trip" thing kind of depends on the way you define it. But irrational thoughts can exist in your mind anywhere, anytime, on any substance. Certain mental disorders might make someone essentially live in irrationality. I know some people who would say basically the exact opposite as you on the whole mushrooms Vs LSD truth thing. So it kind of just depends on the individual. Often times negative emotions and thoughts on a trip is your mind trying to work through certain things though so I agree with you there.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: azramb]
#26472162 - 02/06/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just keep asking myself why I’m scared when I’m having a bad time and it usually leads to self discovery in the process. That’s the whole point of rabbit holing yourself. You become so self aware that you can work past a lot of things but only if your open to change. I embrace all change if I believe I’m becoming a better person but Figuring out that balance is a very personal.Quote:
azramb said: I guess the "bad trip" thing kind of depends on the way you define it. But irrational thoughts can exist in your mind anywhere, anytime, on any substance. Certain mental disorders might make someone essentially live in irrationality. I know some people who would say basically the exact opposite as you on the whole mushrooms Vs LSD truth thing. So it kind of just depends on the individual. Often times negative emotions and thoughts on a trip is your mind trying to work through certain things though so I agree with you there.
I’ve only had one psychotic break on psychedelics and I basically had locked myself home alone without social interaction except to get food and drinks for a month and went on a drug binge and self exploration. I recovered very shortly after the break. The break is what inspired all the very rapid change in my life afterward. I got to the point I wanted to kill myself again and boom breakthrough free of all that bondage. Obviously everyone has a different experience but I feel like a brand new person. I felt my previous psychotic breaks I had sober were pushing me towards these changes as my disconnect between my thoughts and reality had grown apart too much and needed realignment but just needed a push to get me there.
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus] 3
#26472268 - 02/06/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: Bad trips are people experiencing bad emotions unearthed by their brain. But this is only a bad thing if you don't accept what your brain is trying to tell you. Bad emotions do not constitute a bad trip.
Out of my 250+ trips or so over the past 10+ years I've only had two trips that I would put the "bad trip" label on, and neither occurred until after many years of working with psychedelics...
...and neither had anything to do with "bad emotions" being unearthed. The situation was way more complex than that.
Experiencing uncomfortable emotions is just a part of tripping, comes with the territory , especially with mushrooms. Uncomfortable & difficult times does not = a bad trip IMO.
Just wait until you have experienced delusions or a psychotic break of sorts while soaring high on a psychedelic....I think then you'll have a much different idea of what a "bad trip" truly is like .
And I feel your point of view is a bit naive if you think bad trips can happen on LSD but not while on mushrooms....such things can happen from any psychedelic.
People have had incredibly bad trips from just cannabis .
Delusions...psychosis...losing control of one's self, acting out wildly with out being aware of one's actions....having something traumatic happen while tripping.....There are many different ways a trip can go "badly" .
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: openmind]
#26472272 - 02/06/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Unless you’ve taken a ridiculous dose that you cannot handle, going pyschotic doesn’t mean you’ve had a bad trip, it means you couldn’t handle the truths your brain was revealing to you behind the walls you put up to protect yourself
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus] 1
#26472303 - 02/06/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: Unless you’ve taken a ridiculous dose that you cannot handle, going pyschotic doesn’t mean you’ve had a bad trip, it means you couldn’t handle the truths your brain was revealing to you behind the walls you put up to protect yourself
Thank you for your diagnosis dr. Jesus I feel better now
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: mendocino_beano]
#26472319 - 02/06/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mock me all you want but outlook is everything. it’s very hard to have a bad trip if you internalize the fact that mushrooms are teachers and sometimes teachers must give tough love
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Re: My thoughts on why I don't believe bad mushroom trips exist [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26472339 - 02/06/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am following this thread, it looks like it is about to devolve into semantics over the term “bad trip”, or escalate into a hilarious game of “I know better than you”.
Feels like it happens a lot around here, but, let the excitement begin. 😎
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