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Psyence
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InfiniteDreams said: Your screename is a play on "science" and you are claiming your anecdotal experience is above actual scientific rigor. I hope all the best for you and if turmeric solves your problems I am glad that your problems have been solved. I wish you the best. However, I don't believe that turmeric is medicine and would never suggest it to someone as a means of correcting any issues. My view comes from the rigorous scientific evidence.
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What are you actually arguing? That mushrooms can have no side-effects? How do you know?
I never said anything remotely like that. You are just mad that I disagreed with your statement that every substance in the universe must have a negative aspect.
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You are arguing that cumin has no effect in boosting serotonin? Maybe you’re right, maybe not.
I didn't bring up cumin. I think you are confusing curcumin, which is the substance in turmeric that is being investigated. And yes I am arguing that turmeric in general and curcumin specifically have no proven medical benefit. And I am basing my argument off of scientific research rather than anecdotal, subjective experience.
I have nothing against turmeric, it is a delicious spice and I"m sure it has wonderful nutritious benefits. It is good as a food. I think it is quack medicine.
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What I still don’t understand is why you involve yourself in a discussion to which you have added nothing. Perhaps you are just bored and have nothing better to do?
Um... so people don't continue to spread misinformation and hurt people's health with fake medicine.
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InfiniteDreams said: Your screename is a play on "science" and you are claiming your anecdotal experience is above actual scientific rigor. I hope all the best for you and if turmeric solves your problems I am glad that your problems have been solved. I wish you the best. However, I don't believe that turmeric is medicine and would never suggest it to someone as a means of correcting any issues. My view comes from the rigorous scientific evidence.
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What are you actually arguing? That mushrooms can have no side-effects? How do you know?
I never said anything remotely like that. You are just mad that I disagreed with your statement that every substance in the universe must have a negative aspect.
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You are arguing that cumin has no effect in boosting serotonin? Maybe you’re right, maybe not.
I didn't bring up cumin. I think you are confusing curcumin, which is the substance in turmeric that is being investigated. And yes I am arguing that turmeric in general and curcumin specifically have no proven medical benefit. And I am basing my argument off of scientific research rather than anecdotal, subjective experience.
I have nothing against turmeric, it is a delicious spice and I"m sure it has wonderful nutritious benefits. It is good as a food. I think it is quack medicine.
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What I still don’t understand is why you involve yourself in a discussion to which you have added nothing. Perhaps you are just bored and have nothing better to do?
Um... so people don't continue to spread misinformation and hurt people's health with fake medicine.
You really are confused, aren’t you?
Indeed, my screen name is a play on science. I believe passionately in science, as in real science. That's not about closing doors but opening them: a real scientist does not discount anecdotal evidence. They don't rely on it either. They examine it, explore it, look for more. Just because you have not experienced something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
If you understand the nature of scientific studies, you understand that they are not easy to do well, they must be highly focused with large sample groups etc etc. Any scientific study must be carefully read to be properly understood.
If you had read what I wrote more carefully, you would have seen that I did not make any hard and fast claims for anything. I simply told what I experienced. Take from that what you will, but if you start telling me I am selling snake oil, don't be surprised when I tell you where to get off.
If you're not arguing that mushrooms have no side effects, why are you stating that not every substance has a negative as well as a positive effect? What's your point? You thought I was talking about every substance in the universe? OK, perhaps I should have been really specific to avoid all possible confusion: 'Every psychoactive substance has side effects'. How about that? Do you disagree?
Sorry, yes, curcumin (turmeric). That's not the first time that confusion has happened. It's an autocorrect thing. Look, I was not particularly expecting it to have any effect when I took it. I simply had some in the house and took it in place of 5-htp as an experiment. To my surprise, it worked. I didn't recommend anyone else to do it. I'm not selling supplements.
"Um... so people don't continue to spread misinformation and hurt people's health with fake medicine."
Please. Get off your high horse. You just said yourself Turmeric is a healthy food.
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Psyence
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Psyence said: I can see there are good people here, just disappointing when other people weigh in with nothing worthwhile to say
It hurts my feelings when you insinuate that I am a bad person.
You stepped on my thread patronising me and telling me I’m talking shit. You think I’m going to leave with a good impression of your character?
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You did suggest that it was the tea that made him feel hydrated, when tea is a diuretic lol Tums isnt a medicine not really but it calms your stomach. Maybe the tumeric did the same, there are serotonin receptors in the gut. I really doubt it did anything directly to any receptor though I also doubt that psylosin "replaces" serotonin receptors I dont think thats how receptors work, and the psylosin in mushrooms is a tiny amount
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Re: Serotonin deficiency? [Re: Psyence]
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Turmeric is a spice. That is all. It has no medicinal value. I have linked scientific evidence. You have provided nothing other than anger.
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Indeed, my screen name is a play on science. I believe passionately in science, as in real science. That's not about closing doors but opening them: a real scientist does not discount anecdotal evidence. They don't rely on it either. They examine it, explore it, look for more. Just because you have not experienced something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Fallacious. Again I have provided scientifically published data supporting my claim, and you have provided nothing.
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If you understand the nature of scientific studies, you understand that they are not easy to do well, they must be highly focused with large sample groups etc etc. Any scientific study must be carefully read to be properly understood.
And I have provided scientific evidence conducted in the globally approved manner, and you have provided nothing.
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If you had read what I wrote more carefully, you would have seen that I did not make any hard and fast claims for anything. I simply told what I experienced. Take from that what you will, but if you start telling me I am selling snake oil, don't be surprised when I tell you where to get off.
Human suffering is real. People want to fix their ailments. Turmeric is not going to help anyone with anything unless they wish their food tasted better.
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If you're not arguing that mushrooms have no side effects, why are you stating that not every substance has a negative as well as a positive effect? What's your point? You thought I was talking about every substance in the universe? OK, perhaps I should have been really specific to avoid all possible confusion: 'Every psychoactive substance has side effects'. How about that? Do you disagree?
I do not, people should not use psychoactive substances without great research and intention.
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Sorry, yes, curcumin (turmeric). That's not the first time that confusion has happened. It's an autocorrect thing. Look, I was not particularly expecting it to have any effect when I took it. I simply had some in the house and took it in place of 5-htp as an experiment. To my surprise, it worked. I didn't recommend anyone else to do it. I'm not selling supplements.
I do not think you are personally trying to mislead anyone or profit nefariously in any way. Again, there are entire industries built around doing this quite effectively. Look it up if you doubt me. They are selling turmeric right now as medicinal at quite a high cost. Compare this to turmeric you can get as a spice for food. Yet, when subjected to scientific rigor we find that turmeric is a false lead. People were not bad or evil when they thought maybe to explore it. And who knows? In the future something could be found. But right now that is not what the data shows. And people are really sick and really suffering, and to waste their time or money with nonsense goes against the Hippocratic Oath.
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Please. Get off your high horse. You just said yourself Turmeric is a healthy food.
I ain't got no horse. If you can't discern the difference between food and medicine, quit giving people false information about medicine.
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I mean all those posts were totally off the mark. I just don’t get the attitude: ‘oh it can’t possibly be anything to do with the mushrooms, you must be dehydrated’. It’s such a blind spot. Just because I’m suggesting that your favourite thing might have a down side, that doesn’t mean you have to get all defensive. It’s childish.
Every substance has a downside. Every one. Psilocybin probably a lot less than most, but if you ignore the possibility then you are doing no-one any favours.
Dude, lay off the mushrooms for a bit. I have not made any statements about mushrooms and wished you good health originally and was hoping to point you in the right direction with regards to taking care of yourself physically.
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Pukka tea brand is delicious. Expensive tho.
They have one call Turmeric Glow. It’s pretty good, but I really like their Relax or Nighttime blends.
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Thanks, I will check those out. You refering to Turmeric Lifekind?
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I mean all those posts were totally off the mark. I just don’t get the attitude: ‘oh it can’t possibly be anything to do with the mushrooms, you must be dehydrated’. It’s such a blind spot. Just because I’m suggesting that your favourite thing might have a down side, that doesn’t mean you have to get all defensive. It’s childish.
Every substance has a downside. Every one. Psilocybin probably a lot less than most, but if you ignore the possibility then you are doing no-one any favours.
Dude, lay off the mushrooms for a bit. I have not made any statements about mushrooms and wished you good health originally and was hoping to point you in the right direction with regards to takingQuote:
InfiniteDreams said: Turmeric is a spice. That is all. It has no medicinal value. I have linked scientific evidence. You have provided nothing other than anger.
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Indeed, my screen name is a play on science. I believe passionately in science, as in real science. That's not about closing doors but opening them: a real scientist does not discount anecdotal evidence. They don't rely on it either. They examine it, explore it, look for more. Just because you have not experienced something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Fallacious. Again I have provided scientifically published data supporting my claim, and you have provided nothing.
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If you understand the nature of scientific studies, you understand that they are not easy to do well, they must be highly focused with large sample groups etc etc. Any scientific study must be carefully read to be properly understood.
And I have provided scientific evidence conducted in the globally approved manner, and you have provided nothing.
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If you had read what I wrote more carefully, you would have seen that I did not make any hard and fast claims for anything. I simply told what I experienced. Take from that what you will, but if you start telling me I am selling snake oil, don't be surprised when I tell you where to get off.
Human suffering is real. People want to fix their ailments. Turmeric is not going to help anyone with anything unless they wish their food tasted better.
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If you're not arguing that mushrooms have no side effects, why are you stating that not every substance has a negative as well as a positive effect? What's your point? You thought I was talking about every substance in the universe? OK, perhaps I should have been really specific to avoid all possible confusion: 'Every psychoactive substance has side effects'. How about that? Do you disagree?
I do not, people should not use psychoactive substances without great research and intention.
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Sorry, yes, curcumin (turmeric). That's not the first time that confusion has happened. It's an autocorrect thing. Look, I was not particularly expecting it to have any effect when I took it. I simply had some in the house and took it in place of 5-htp as an experiment. To my surprise, it worked. I didn't recommend anyone else to do it. I'm not selling supplements.
I do not think you are personally trying to mislead anyone or profit nefariously in any way. Again, there are entire industries built around doing this quite effectively. Look it up if you doubt me. They are selling turmeric right now as medicinal at quite a high cost. Compare this to turmeric you can get as a spice for food. Yet, when subjected to scientific rigor we find that turmeric is a false lead. People were not bad or evil when they thought maybe to explore it. And who knows? In the future something could be found. But right now that is not what the data shows. And people are really sick and really suffering, and to waste their time or money with nonsense goes against the Hippocratic Oath.
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Please. Get off your high horse. You just said yourself Turmeric is a healthy food.
I ain't got no horse. If you can't discern the difference between food and medicine, quit giving people false information about medicine.
You really do have an axe to grind, don’t you?
Listen, like I said, I make no claims for turmeric to be able to cure cancer or anything else. I made an observation. I just don’t like being talked down to by dogmatic individuals with too much time on their hands who think they know more than they do because they can use google.
The list of foods with health benefits is huge. If you genuinely don’t know this, I suggest you do more research. It’s genuinely surprising to find these kinds of attitudes on a forum devoted to plant medicine. Who would have thought, eh?
Virtually all foods have medicinal properties, particularly if a person is deficient in certain things. Your arbitrary distinction between foods and medicines suggests to me that you have no knowledge of complementary medicine or preventative medicine.
Just because it doesn’t fit into the narrow framework you have received doesn’t mean it’s not true.
Lay off the mushrooms? Guess what, that’s what I did. Took a few days, stood back, assessed the situation objectively. Then started again with a respectful attitude.
Perhaps that’s what you should do. Or perhaps you should take a higher dose and shake yourself out of your know-it-all attitude: you are no scientist, that I will tell you for free.
Stop playing at being one.
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InfiniteDreams said: Thanks, I will check those out. You refering to Turmeric Lifekind?
Careful with that stuff. And definitely don’t read about the health benefits or you’ll probably lose your shit again.
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Re: Serotonin deficiency? [Re: Psyence]
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Someone end this discussion
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Re: Serotonin deficiency? [Re: Backbone]
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Backbone said: Someone end this discussion
Please.
The irony of someone going off the deep end about consuming a kitchen spice on a forum dedicated to what is - in many parts of the world - a class A drug, is pretty f***ing hilarious though.
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Re: Serotonin deficiency? [Re: Backbone]
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You brought tea back up, 11 days after this thread died off...
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Backbone said: tea is a diuretic
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Backbone said: Someone end this discussion
.. and now you want to complain?
lol, obviously tea is a very big deal, as we now know. Anyone ever try a chai tea? Mind blowing stuff, you should try it.
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Antidepressant activity of curcumin: involvement of serotonin and dopamine system https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-008-1300-y
An Overview of Curcumin in Neurological Disorders https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2929771/
Curcumin reverses impaired hippocampal neurogenesis and increases serotonin receptor 1A mRNA and brain-derived neurotrophic factor expression in chronically stressed rats. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17617388
Curcumin Shows Promise as Depression Treatment https://www.psychiatryadvisor.com/home/topics/mood-disorders/curcumin-shows-promise-as-depression-treatment/
Turmeric https://nootropicsexpert.com/
I haven't read 'em. But if you were of a scientific persuasion and highly opinionated about the subject, you might want to take a look.
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Re: Serotonin deficiency? [Re: Psyence]
#26497136 - 02/21/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow. What have ya got for ginger tea?
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Internet arguing is special olympics. I believe we have very different opinions on what science is and what valid scientific research is. So we are at an impasse.
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Wow
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