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Is 5g too much for my next trip?
#26470275 - 02/05/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi! I've tripped twice now, one level 2 (22g wet in tea), and one level 3(35g wet in tea). I think I'm going to have some whole, dried mushrooms this time instead of tea (or put them in a small serving of a fruit smoothie because the flavor is not pleasant to me), though maybe I should stick with tea since the last two were that?
Both trips were fun, but in a way kind of a let-down - especially my level 3 trip. I'm in this for the life-altering perceptions and transcendental experiences, and level 3 created some really beautiful close-eye visuals and the most breath-taking sunset I have ever experienced. Truly, that sunset felt like it was meant for me in that moment. I also learned that I shouldn't have weed while tripping - I smoked after I peaked to try to make it last longer, then got anxious and just started arguing with myself in my head, the last 2 hours of the trip was almost annoying because I was just constantly finding new things to pick on myself about. (I DID take those things as a learning experience about why I'm so mean to myself, and have been much more aware of anxiety-producing thoughts this week. I don't regret the trip, it just showed to me that mindset can make a huge difference.)
Anyway, I guess in a way the level 3 trip had some "life-altering perceptions" in that I have some new insight to what exactly I seem to dislike about myself, but I want some "aha"s about the universe/being alive/my surroundings, not just about my own psyche.
Since 3.5g of my mushrooms got me to level 3, does 5g seem like a reasonable jump? My grow was multispore, so different batches will have different potencies, I know. I do think I'd be happy to skip straight to level 5 (though the concept is almost as frightening as exciting, I I'm a type that likes to confront fear rather than avoid it), if that happened to occur. But I want to hear what some of the more experienced folk around here have to say about what I've experienced and if risking jumping to level 5 is just dumb.
Also, is it okay to trip this weekend?/Is a week between trips enough at this stage? I was hoping to trip this Saturday, then take a break for 2-3 weeks before my next trip. After that, I'm going to aim to keep my trips to approximately monthly. I'm just too excited to wait a month in between these introductory trips!
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: KD-Grows]
#26470283 - 02/05/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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My 2 cents.
Wait 2 or 3 weeks if you can, find a trusted person to trip sit you, take 5 grams with a little orange juice and enjoy the show
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: Antigov]
#26470322 - 02/05/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whether or not jumping up to 5g is a bad idea really just depends on you. I dont know you but you seem like your probably the kind of person who could handle it. I would recommend that you stick with tea though personally. If you haven't tried eating them yet, they can sometimes be hard on the stomach which could effect the quality of your trip. And since you don't know how whole mushrooms will effect your stomach yet personally I'd play it safe so you don't end up feeling nauseous the whole time on a stronger trip than you've experienced before. Just my personal recommendation though. And just for perspectives sake i generally think it's better to have a few trips at any given dose before you go up to a higher dose. But to each his own and you seem pretty level headed so if that's your plan and you feel confident I say go for it.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: KD-Grows]
#26470365 - 02/05/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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KD-Grows said: Hi! I've tripped twice now, one level 2 (22g wet in tea), and one level 3(35g wet in tea). I think I'm going to have some whole, dried mushrooms this time instead of tea (or put them in a small serving of a fruit smoothie because the flavor is not pleasant to me), though maybe I should stick with tea since the last two were that? I always recommend tea - it goes down so easily and the body load is so much less. Fresh, though preferable, is not necessary - dried is fine for tea, too.
Both trips were fun, but in a way kind of a let-down - especially my level 3 trip. I'm in this for the life-altering perceptions and transcendental experiences, and level 3 created some really beautiful close-eye visuals and the most breath-taking sunset I have ever experienced. Truly, that sunset felt like it was meant for me in that moment. I also learned that I shouldn't have weed while tripping - I smoked after I peaked to try to make it last longer, then got anxious and just started arguing with myself in my head, the last 2 hours of the trip was almost annoying because I was just constantly finding new things to pick on myself about. (I DID take those things as a learning experience about why I'm so mean to myself, and have been much more aware of anxiety-producing thoughts this week. I don't regret the trip, it just showed to me that mindset can make a huge difference.) Sounds like you took to it quite well. I also notice that, for me, weed is almost always quite burdensome when I'm tripping... it adds a weight to it that really takes away from the vivid and ethereal nature of mushrooms. Because it adds its own hallucinatory effects, it's often a catalyst for the experience to become overwhelming and generally 'boggy'. I am a bit biased - I've not been able to smoke weed for a long time because of its anxiety-inducing effects on me.
Anyway, I guess in a way the level 3 trip had some "life-altering perceptions" in that I have some new insight to what exactly I seem to dislike about myself, but I want some "aha"s about the universe/being alive/my surroundings, not just about my own psyche. I wouldn't take it as a guarantee that taking a higher dose will give you better insights. Just that you were able to analyze and draw some conclusions about yourself with your initial doses should be something you should be able to integrate into your life and ruminate on for a little while. That said, it's certainly absolutely possible that you could keep diving deeper into these therapeutic changes in perspective and that higher doses may guide you there better - but, so too could the same doses. Sometimes reflection takes a while. Sometimes when you take a second look at something, you'll see more than you did at first glance. There's also the consideration to explore the dose that you're comfortable with. You saw the best sunset - maybe see the most beautiful starry night or feel the softest grass.
Since 3.5g of my mushrooms got me to level 3, does 5g seem like a reasonable jump? My grow was multispore, so different batches will have different potencies, I know. I do think I'd be happy to skip straight to level 5 (though the concept is almost as frightening as exciting, I I'm a type that likes to confront fear rather than avoid it), if that happened to occur. But I want to hear what some of the more experienced folk around here have to say about what I've experienced and if risking jumping to level 5 is just dumb. I don't think it's dumb. Like I said, you seem to have taken to it quite well. 5g will definitely be a different style of trip - likely much more sitting still and looking in. If you think you're ready for it, that's the most ready for it you can be.
Also, is it okay to trip this weekend?/Is a week between trips enough at this stage? I was hoping to trip this Saturday, then take a break for 2-3 weeks before my next trip. After that, I'm going to aim to keep my trips to approximately monthly. I'm just too excited to wait a month in between these introductory trips! As I'm sure you're incredibly eager to get into it, a week is usually enough downtime to have pretty full effects with your next dose. Waiting longer can assure that more, but, in my experience, I can take mid-level doses weekly with profound effects each time.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: azramb]
#26470391 - 02/05/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Antigov said: My 2 cents.
Wait 2 or 3 weeks if you can, find a trusted person to trip sit you, take 5 grams with a little orange juice and enjoy the show 
"Enjoy the show" - haha, yes please.
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azramb said: Whether or not jumping up to 5g is a bad idea really just depends on you. I dont know you but you seem like your probably the kind of person who could handle it. I would recommend that you stick with tea though personally. If you haven't tried eating them yet, they can sometimes be hard on the stomach which could effect the quality of your trip. And since you don't know how whole mushrooms will effect your stomach yet personally I'd play it safe so you don't end up feeling nauseous the whole time on a stronger trip than you've experienced before. Just my personal recommendation though. And just for perspectives sake i generally think it's better to have a few trips at any given dose before you go up to a higher dose. But to each his own and you seem pretty level headed so if that's your plan and you feel confident I say go for it.
Great point on the tea, thank you. I'll do tea again, because I honestly get a little nausea with the tea on the come up (maybe from disorientation?) so I probably shouldn't push it with whole mushrooms on a higher dose. Thanks for your other thoughts, too. They've given me something to mull over.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: footpath]
#26470397 - 02/05/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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No one here can know except for you.
I've always experienced this myself: 2g gets me to the airport parking lot. But I never go inside.
3.5-4g is where I park the car go through security checks and await a plane that never comes. You are of course in an altered state and many funny, profound, horrifying ideas come and go. Best for therapy imo. 5g is where i board the plane put my seat belt on and get ready for a trip via vacation from society. From known reality. This area has the highest of potential to leave you mentally scared. So give in and don't fight. Heaven and hell.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: footpath]
#26470412 - 02/05/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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KD-Grows said: Hi! I've tripped twice now, one level 2 (22g wet in tea), and one level 3(35g wet in tea). I think I'm going to have some whole, dried mushrooms this time instead of tea (or put them in a small serving of a fruit smoothie because the flavor is not pleasant to me), though maybe I should stick with tea since the last two were that? I always recommend tea - it goes down so easily and the body load is so much less. Fresh, though preferable, is not necessary - dried is fine for tea, too.
Both trips were fun, but in a way kind of a let-down - especially my level 3 trip. I'm in this for the life-altering perceptions and transcendental experiences, and level 3 created some really beautiful close-eye visuals and the most breath-taking sunset I have ever experienced. Truly, that sunset felt like it was meant for me in that moment. I also learned that I shouldn't have weed while tripping - I smoked after I peaked to try to make it last longer, then got anxious and just started arguing with myself in my head, the last 2 hours of the trip was almost annoying because I was just constantly finding new things to pick on myself about. (I DID take those things as a learning experience about why I'm so mean to myself, and have been much more aware of anxiety-producing thoughts this week. I don't regret the trip, it just showed to me that mindset can make a huge difference.) Sounds like you took to it quite well. I also notice that, for me, weed is almost always quite burdensome when I'm tripping... it adds a weight to it that really takes away from the vivid and ethereal nature of mushrooms. Because it adds its own hallucinatory effects, it's often a catalyst for the experience to become overwhelming and generally 'boggy'. I am a bit biased - I've not been able to smoke weed for a long time because of its anxiety-inducing effects on me.
Anyway, I guess in a way the level 3 trip had some "life-altering perceptions" in that I have some new insight to what exactly I seem to dislike about myself, but I want some "aha"s about the universe/being alive/my surroundings, not just about my own psyche. I wouldn't take it as a guarantee that taking a higher dose will give you better insights. Just that you were able to analyze and draw some conclusions about yourself with your initial doses should be something you should be able to integrate into your life and ruminate on for a little while. That said, it's certainly absolutely possible that you could keep diving deeper into these therapeutic changes in perspective and that higher doses may guide you there better - but, so too could the same doses. Sometimes reflection takes a while. Sometimes when you take a second look at something, you'll see more than you did at first glance. There's also the consideration to explore the dose that you're comfortable with. You saw the best sunset - maybe see the most beautiful starry night or feel the softest grass.
Since 3.5g of my mushrooms got me to level 3, does 5g seem like a reasonable jump? My grow was multispore, so different batches will have different potencies, I know. I do think I'd be happy to skip straight to level 5 (though the concept is almost as frightening as exciting, I I'm a type that likes to confront fear rather than avoid it), if that happened to occur. But I want to hear what some of the more experienced folk around here have to say about what I've experienced and if risking jumping to level 5 is just dumb. I don't think it's dumb. Like I said, you seem to have taken to it quite well. 5g will definitely be a different style of trip - likely much more sitting still and looking in. If you think you're ready for it, that's the most ready for it you can be.
Also, is it okay to trip this weekend?/Is a week between trips enough at this stage? I was hoping to trip this Saturday, then take a break for 2-3 weeks before my next trip. After that, I'm going to aim to keep my trips to approximately monthly. I'm just too excited to wait a month in between these introductory trips! As I'm sure you're incredibly eager to get into it, a week is usually enough downtime to have pretty full effects with your next dose. Waiting longer can assure that more, but, in my experience, I can take mid-level doses weekly with profound effects each time.
Ah, my friend footpath! You helped me out ~2 weeks ago with my first trip, what a wonderful person you are.
You've given me a lot to think about, thank you. I think you're right that I could end up learning a lot on these low doses. I already have, to be honest. I have had something to think about or journal about daily related to my mushroom experiences.
But rather than that point making me want to slow down and explore, it made me realize that the reason I want to get to level 5 "asap" (maybe asap is a slight exaggeration) maybe has more to do with curiosity about experiencing "the greater consciousness" and the nature of existence. I've read many trip reports, and I want a taste of what people report.
I also really want the personal insights, but I feel quite assured that those will come, since I've already had quite a few on just 2 small-ish doses.
I guess now I'm thinking about whether I should take it slow, or go with my desire to jump up a level. Part of me thinks this could be a lesson in patience if I take it slow; part of me thinks that I might be more open to the amazing experiences of lower doses if I'm not pining for a taste of the BIG stuff. Basically, I trust what I can get out of level 2-3 doses, and don't yet have "true" belief that level 5 is what people say it is (as I tend to only trust things I have experienced).
I might be over-sharing, but these are my thoughts for now. Thanks for helping me get to the actual point of what I need to think about.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: LosTresOjos]
#26470433 - 02/05/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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LosTresOjos said: No one here can know except for you.
I've always experienced this myself: 2g gets me to the airport parking lot. But I never go inside.
3.5-4g is where I park the car go through security checks and await a plane that never comes. You are of course in an altered state and many funny, profound, horrifying ideas come and go. Best for therapy imo. 5g is where i board the plane put my seat belt on and get ready for a trip via vacation from society. From known reality. This area has the highest of potential to leave you mentally scared. So give in and don't fight. Heaven and hell.
"Await a plane that never comes" feels really accurate to my experience, and why it felt like something of a letdown despite having some really memorable moments and take-aways.
I have read enough to know that I might end up scared! I struggled with PTSD after a bad injury 2 years ago, and had to learn a lot of coping mechanisms for panic through therapy to get past it. I think (hope) that should leave me in a good spot of being able to handle the likely fear I'll experience; mindfulness has allowed me to observe and accept fear, rather than thrash and spiral like I used to. Not to mention that outside of overwhelming crowds, I'm happy to confront most fears, as I find fear is usually just a lack of understanding.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: KD-Grows]
#26470447 - 02/05/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wonderful post, OP, and I think you sound real level-headed. There are two ways of looking at your next move, in DJ Ed’s humble opinion!
Firstly, I think you’re ready for the jump to 5g. You know what you’re looking for, and you’ll definitely get some way there on 5g.
But secondly, the more you take 3.5g, the more you get used to what it has to offer you, the easier it becomes each successive trip to go deeper and further.
So I would,personally recommend you either stick to 3.5g, at least for a few more trips, or, take a jump to 4g. That is a decent increase in potency from 3.5g 👍🏻
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26470469 - 02/05/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I saw an interesting quote from a wonderful user on this site saying something along the lines of
"Any fool can take a huge load of mushrooms and trip balls. But it takes a master to go deep on very little"
This isn't to say that you shouldn't take the leap. Im where you are. I've been on a handful of 3-3.5g experiences (and a few lower dose experiences) and I've yet to experience what people describe on their high doses.
But I also realized that there is no rush. What is more important is that I work on my life outside of mushrooms so that each experience can be more meaningful. This isn't to say that one shouldn't dive into the higher doses. I definitely want to and will when I feel that I've better integrated my last few experiences.
Either way, footpath, in a different thread, made one of the best statements. He said that the experience is subjectively yours and no one can dictate how you should experience it.
So if you feel ready, take the 5g. Just remember that, since it is MS, and since every experience is different, you can be overwhelmed or underwhelmed by the experience. Expect nothing, just take it as it comes.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: KD-Grows]
#26471167 - 02/05/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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KD-Grows said: I want a taste of what people report.
I also really want the personal insights, but I feel quite assured that those will come, since I've already had quite a few on just 2 small-ish doses.
I guess now I'm thinking about whether I should take it slow, or go with my desire to jump up a level. Part of me thinks this could be a lesson in patience if I take it slow; part of me thinks that I might be more open to the amazing experiences of lower doses if I'm not pining for a taste of the BIG stuff. Basically, I trust what I can get out of level 2-3 doses, and don't yet have "true" belief that level 5 is what people say it is (as I tend to only trust things I have experienced).
If you're thirsty, drink. I didn't find my appreciation for the spectrum of doses and their effects until I tried each of them many times. Some have tried them all many times and take preference to one or another. They've all got a different flavor and people will find their tastes. Rest assured that you'll definitely leave each experience with something different than you had going in.
If you've got a hunger for what's beyond, it's better to just sate that desire than to keep yourself on the edge of your seat only to be underwhelmed and partially satisfied. It's a path of discovery - you're not going to be completely certain of what to expect of what will come with each passing horizon - even with guides and descriptions, you'll still have to see it for yourself to truly put it into your own perspective. And while that guidance may be helpful, the deciding factor to whether or not you're ready for any dose is your own willingness - if you're eager, without hesitation, and ready for the unknown, the odds are in your favor that you'll have a bountiful expedition.
I prefer a nautical metaphor for these experiences because, while you can learn to navigate in many different scenarios, you'll always be at the mercy of the elements. Sometimes it's calm, sometimes it's choppy, sometimes you'll be blindsided by a treacherous wave or storm, and sometimes there will be no wind at all. Much of your success in reaching your destination is due to your intuition of when to ebb and when to flow. And sometimes you just have to ride it out. A good way to look at your situation might be: you've got a feel for your sea legs in calm waters - do you feel the need to improve their balance or is it time to try them out in the open sea?
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26471174 - 02/05/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: So I would,personally recommend you either stick to 3.5g, at least for a few more trips, or, take a jump to 4g. That is a decent increase in potency from 3.5g 👍🏻
I would recommend taking 4 before taking 5. For me, the difference between 4 and 5 has been great in the past. This depends on the potency of the mushrooms of course, but if you haven't yet had a 5g experience you should try 4 first, IMO
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: Corundum]
#26471768 - 02/06/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't worry about the potential fear or potential bliss. When you physically go out on a road trip you don't constantly assume the worst. Or the best you have to roll with it. It's a part of our lives now.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: LosTresOjos] 1
#26471843 - 02/06/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'll tell you this: 5g is fucking intense. Way more intense than 3g. If you're in a good place right now (or even if you're not and there's a specific thing you want to get over), I'd say go for it.
I happen not to believe in bad mushroom trips. I think what people call bad trips are them not accepting what their brain is trying to tell them. Yes, heavy trips can be extremely unpleasant, but learning about yourself and what your brain thinks, wants, and fears on a primal level is not "bad."
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26475451 - 02/08/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've been really busy the last couple of days, and try not to spend a lot of time online before a trip to keep my head clear, so I can't reply in detail to more recent comments. But I did read all the other replies and have been chewing on it! And I really appreciate everyone's input.
I was leaning towards listening to everyone who said 4g, but also in deciding what issue I would like to work on healing, I landed on working through why I value other's opinions more than my own. And on that front, I decided I'm going to listen to my intuition that I want to jump in to a pretty high level. So I'm going to take somewhere between 4.5 and 5g, I think. Overall, I find diving in to things to get a whole view of the "forest" and then backing off so I can develop a better understanding of the "trees" works best for me. To be clear in my metaphor, I'm currently imaging the "trees" of a trip are the individual dropped barriers and perception changes that occur, while the forest would be all those effects combined.
I know I may find it to be overwhelming at points, and I also recognize that I might get more out of my first level 4-5 trip if I do more doses first. But I have a trip sitter who I trust deeply and who knows how to calm me down and to help me go with the flow of what I'm experiencing, so I'm okay with that risk. And that's how I approach most things that I love. With all my long lasting hobbies, I have done a first project that is too hard, looked at and enjoyed my far-less-than-perfect results, then dived back in with easier projects now that I had a better understanding of how each little component fits into the overall product.
In the end, it feels right for me. Either I'll love it and be bolstered in my opinion that my forest-then-trees approach works best for me. Or, I'll think I should've listened more to people here, and maybe make some headway in being able to appreciate the trees even if I can't understand the whole forest yet. Maybe I'll end up processing something entirely different, and I'm okay with that too. I trust the mushrooms and my mind to get me to what I need tonight.
I DO know that even if I have a "bad trip," I'll still be willing to try again. I think unpleasant emotions and realizations are just as, or maybe more, important than the ones that feel good. And I know I'll be safe, so there doesn't feel like there's too much to lose here.
I will report back sometime between Sunday and Wednesday!
P.S. footpath, your statement "if you're thirsty, drink" felt so profound in its simplicity to me. It spoke very directly to me and helped me refocus on my own mind instead of what others think, so thank you.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: KD-Grows]
#26476951 - 02/09/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow, I see what you all mean when you say subsequent doses open you up more. I took 4.8g and while nothing crazy happened, I had what I can only describe as an awakening. I had strong conceptualizations that what I am is deeper than what my body and at least parts of my mind are. I lost time, and felt like the last time I tripped was only a moment ago (though that's not quite accurate either, it's the best way I can describe it).
I was quite disconnected from my body for a while, thinking of my body/brain as "it" and recognizing that it wanted more guidance and for me to be more aware. It took me a couple hours to wrap my head around how I could be both me and and my body again, but I enjoyed all the existential questions that arose as I reoriented myself.
I don't know what next dose I'll take, but maybe a lower one because I do indeed understand my level 2 and 3 trips much better now and am much less opposed to experiencing those lower levels again. I think the one I had last night was a light level 4, at a guess.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: KD-Grows] 1
#26478036 - 02/10/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It doesn't seem to matter how many times it happens, it's always such a powerful experience when you really draw the distinction between your essence (consciousness, ego, soul, spirit, energy, whatever have you) and your animal that houses you. It's what therapy I can always find in those higher doses - the ability to just say to your body, "okay, I just need to be by myself for a moment; you wait here." It's like the most well-trained and loyal canine companion you could ever ask for. And, sometimes, the reintegration process can feel almost that foreign; as if you need to go through that formality of 'oh, yes, yes, I'm happy to see you, too' while your body is overwhelmed with joy that you've safely returned and curiosity of the new smells you carry. You grow a fonder appreciation of each other in your separation.
And then, in those lower doses, it seems like you're both walking together. You have a bit more trial in learning to navigate as a unit comprised of individuals. There's a push and pull of each other's desires and intentions and you have to reach a cooperation.
For me, both have exceptional therapeutic qualities in helping you to appreciate your many aspects of existence.
You seem to have found a pretty nice relationship with these substances - happy to hear that. They're quite the wonderful treasure of this human experience.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: footpath]
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Have read all of these replies - and nothing short of respect to so many members here with such great advice and input.. as well as the traveler looking for a new destination. Welcome my friend.
It's nice hearing how levelheaded you are, and understanding the power of the mushrooms and seeking advice before jumping ship into the unknown. As you said in a earlier post - "fear is usually originated from not knowing about something" - which I believe to a full extent.
You're doing your research, you're playing in the shallow water and getting a feel for the temperature, knowing that a little more down resides the deep blue sea - and we here, at the Shroomery - are the curious ones wanting a deeper understanding of what hides behind that line.
Also as someone quoted earlier: "any fool can take a huge dose of mushrooms and trip balls, but only a few can get deep on a little" - which is VERY TRUE. I've probably got two dozen trips under my belt, if not more.. and MOST of them have been nothing more than 3.5/4g.
You can really learn a lot once you get deep within yourself. Once you open the path to an awakening - every experience seems to become more majestic.. even at moderate doses. But, even then.. you can lay there and say to yourself "I wish I had taken more". Which is where you need to make that choice before taking them than mid trip saying that to yourself.
As many times as I've taken mushrooms, I get nervous every time I weigh out a dose. I always sell myself short - "Nah 4g is plenty", and as beautiful as it is, it never gets me on the plane.
But, I'm practicing with these moderate doses - so when I finally do take the leap, I do hope I've trained myself well for the big bang. I'm glad to see you're almost putting it to an equation - taking that higher dose and understanding it's best to cut back and integrate the smaller doses once again - and then add in a bigger trip to get more bang for the buck.
Smart idea buddy. There's no rush here. We're all a work in progress.. taking steps to fulfill something we are all after.
Be safe. Enjoy yourself. Nice to see you around here as well - look forward to future posts/trip reports from you! You seem like someone who will benefit greatly in time..
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: footpath]
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I'm quite glad to hear that the experience doesn't lose its power, because I truly loved it. I've been able to hold a distinction between me and my body still yesterday and today, though my body did stop being "it" and is now "me" again, which is good, because that level of dissociation would probably have felt disturbing if it continued for days. Now I have anxious thoughts, but they're like echoes that don't hold power over me anymore, or at least, not at this moment. This is a goal I've been striving for through mindfulness meditations, even though I didn't fully understand what I was working towards until it all hit at me once with the help of Psilocybin. I feel so ...honored? blessed?... to have finally experienced what it can be like to *know* that thoughts are just thoughts, and don't necessarily have truth or power in them. I give them that power by listening to them.
I really enjoy your dog analogy! The whole trip, I was anchored in this reality when my eyes were open (and wow, the way the lights danced and the rugs breathed was hard to stop watching, but I had more important things to attend to in the other reality when my eyes were closed). Still, when I was landing, I think both me's were happy to see each other. I have never been so excited to go experience life!
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For me, both have exceptional therapeutic qualities in helping you to appreciate your many aspects of existence.
I believe you, and am looking forward to exploring these qualities myself. What a wonderful thing it is to appreciate any aspect of my existence - I'm not sure I ever felt grateful to be alive until I came back from Saturday's trip.
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You seem to have found a pretty nice relationship with these substances - happy to hear that. They're quite the wonderful treasure of this human experience.
I agree! They've been very kind to me thus far. From growing them to eating them, I find the whole process just incredible. Except maybe the flavor.
I'm curious if you have any elaboration on how you think I've "found a pretty nice relationship" with them? I agree, but don't understand the contrasting side yet, and I guess I'm curious about what differences you see between my experiences and other types, mostly because I know I will end up introducing loved ones to these, and maybe it'd be helpful to understand how others sometimes experience these (in less "nice" ways?).
Please don't feel obligated to expand, as I'm sure I'll pick up an idea of what you mean by reading stories. I don't feel experienced enough to reply to many posts yet, but I'm lurking quite often, and am sure I will pick up the information I've just asked on my own with time. I just wanted to see if you have any particular insights you feel are worth sharing.
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Vibe_Enthusiast said: Have read all of these replies - and nothing short of respect to so many members here with such great advice and input.. as well as the traveler looking for a new destination. Welcome my friend. Agreed, I am so appreciative of everyone's responses. And thank you!
It's nice hearing how levelheaded you are, and understanding the power of the mushrooms and seeking advice before jumping ship into the unknown. As you said in a earlier post - "fear is usually originated from not knowing about something" - which I believe to a full extent.
You're doing your research, you're playing in the shallow water and getting a feel for the temperature, knowing that a little more down resides the deep blue sea - and we here, at the Shroomery - are the curious ones wanting a deeper understanding of what hides behind that line.
Also as someone quoted earlier: "any fool can take a huge dose of mushrooms and trip balls, but only a few can get deep on a little" - which is VERY TRUE. I've probably got two dozen trips under my belt, if not more.. and MOST of them have been nothing more than 3.5/4g. I've taken this quote as something of a fun challenge. I enjoy tripping balls, but I can't wait to experience more depth! 
You can really learn a lot once you get deep within yourself. Once you open the path to an awakening - every experience seems to become more majestic.. even at moderate doses. But, even then.. you can lay there and say to yourself "I wish I had taken more". Which is where you need to make that choice before taking them than mid trip saying that to yourself. I even experienced some of that "I wish I had taken more" on this last trip. It occurred while I was not fully in this reality, and I heard it as an echo of a thought, not too dissimilar from the anxious thoughts I heard a couple of times. I understood this time that there really is no rush, the time it takes to get there doesn't matter, because I was experiencing timelessness. I knew that before, but didn't understand.
As many times as I've taken mushrooms, I get nervous every time I weigh out a dose. I always sell myself short - "Nah 4g is plenty", and as beautiful as it is, it never gets me on the plane.
But, I'm practicing with these moderate doses - so when I finally do take the leap, I do hope I've trained myself well for the big bang. I'm glad to see you're almost putting it to an equation - taking that higher dose and understanding it's best to cut back and integrate the smaller doses once again - and then add in a bigger trip to get more bang for the buck.
Smart idea buddy. There's no rush here. We're all a work in progress.. taking steps to fulfill something we are all after.
Be safe. Enjoy yourself. Nice to see you around here as well - look forward to future posts/trip reports from you! You seem like someone who will benefit greatly in time.. You as well! Thanks for taking the time to respond.

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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: KD-Grows] 1
#26478300 - 02/10/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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KD-Grows said: I'm curious if you have any elaboration on how you think I've "found a pretty nice relationship" with them? I agree, but don't understand the contrasting side yet, and I guess I'm curious about what differences you see between my experiences and other types, mostly because I know I will end up introducing loved ones to these, and maybe it'd be helpful to understand how others sometimes experience these (in less "nice" ways?).
I think there are a number of reasons some people may have adversities to it, or any substance so thoroughly mind-altering. But the two I can think of most prominently:
Those who like to be in full control of their actions and thoughts will find a lot of difficulty with psychedelics. Letting go of the power over yourself is no small feat, and it's really not something that can be fully compared to a captain/passenger relationship. You're abandoning something that most people are used to being in complete control of no matter the situation they're in. Tim may get anxious from time to time when he's on a plane. but he's still Tim on a plane. Tim on psychedelics is.... more or less. All or none or somewhere between. But he doesn't really have say in where that will be, especially if he tries to control it.
And then there's the other spectrum - I, myself, fell into this and it lead to very difficult times for me. Those who use it as an escape. A numbing of reality. Somewhere you can go to hide from the things that you don't want to think about or confront. The thing about psychedelics is that they'll make you confront those things in every possible reality. By taking away that power over self, they take away any walls you can put up - they don't let you ignore anything.
There's other things like naivety or a certain innocence in the fun it all that can make you kind of unprepared for things that may blindside you. Because, let's face it, a lot of the psychedelic experience is just super fun experiencing hallucinations and altered reality and riding out a wonderful body high. It feels fantastic like nothing else. But there's that spirituality to it, no matter who you are or what you believe in. It has a way of disconnecting you to a more spiritual or other-conscious universe that you may not be expecting and may not be ready for. It confronts your yang with your yin or your yin with your yang. And when you have a very tiny spot of yin or yang and a very large spot of yang or yin and - suddenly - they're reversed... it can be alarming and difficult.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: footpath] 1
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That all makes perfect sense, thanks, footpath. I guess perhaps I'm fortunate that I made the mistake of escapism through drugs for a long time with alcohol and eventually marijuana, but ended that chapter before I discovered psychedelics. I can see how psychedelic experiences could be unpleasant if you were trying to escape, rather than confront, the pain.
Also, "letting go of the power over yourself is no small feat" rang true and I think will help me keep in mind what kind of things people I introduce mushrooms to might benefit from hearing before they trip.
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Re: Is 5g too much for my next trip? [Re: KD-Grows] 1
#26478482 - 02/10/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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For sure. I think that's probably the most unanimous piece of advice from most of those seasoned in psychedelic use - let go. It is, of course, a bit of daunting idea to convince yourself of all the time.
Many people seem to have their own kind of mantra to keep them feeling okay with letting go leading up to or in the thick of their experiences - mine, because I used to fear for my body and my critical functions when I would take high doses, was: 'it comes with your body.' With the intention being that, no matter what, if things get hectic and you're having a hard time succumbing to the experience, your body will ultimately take you safely back to reality. Just like if you focus too much on your blinking or breathing and it becomes hard to make them rhythmic, so too can letting go during a trip become difficult if you fight it. But if you just let your body do its thing and let your mind go elsewhere... everything syncopates.
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