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First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020)
    #26469376 - 02/04/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

-WBS Soaked in hot water for 24 hours, picked out floaters, rinse thoroughly. Boiling water at the end to help drying process

-7 Polyfil Jars with 1(1/4in hole) pressure cooked at 15PSI for about 90min. Made me nervous at first. Sat in PC over night

-Inoculation in SAB was done in a overly disinfected  closet with the door cracked. Golden Teacher Strain. I stuffed my Polyfil jars using a Phillips screwdriver. Put syringe through Polyfil, and used about 5.5CC  for 7 jars. They are now sitting in the SAB.


I also have 5 or 6 BRF cakes colonizing, along with 2 WBS quarts in a different area. Micropore tape look was used for those guys. I The two WBS quarts have signs of life. They have B+ strain, so do the BRF cakes. The BRF cakes and two WBS quarts were PCed in an electric PC, 15PSI was not sustained but I just cooked them longer. Will be experimenting with the electric PC. Plan on doing agar soon.











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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26472670 - 02/06/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’m just keeping the temps solid, and not too dry in the closet where they’re located. Not lifting up either bins for a picture yet, trying not to look at them too much.

I saw some solid BRF Bulk grows, and was going to do that to get used to growing bulk. What are your guys thoughts on BRF Bulk? I’m leaving the closet door cracked so it stays relatively warm in the closet, but trying to keep my kitty cats out of there at the same time. (They’ve been good about not going in there.)


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26472701 - 02/06/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

BRF Bulk is risky in my opinion because you are damaging the substrate to recolonize Coir, Why not just fruit them as BRF cakes in a SGFC?


  I am not a fan of BRF to Shoe box either, same situation... BRF is Contaminate prone because you normally inoculate with MS instead of Agar. Better to let them soak and roll than chop them up and box them.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: Sockadin]
    #26472760 - 02/06/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ehh I might just do cakes then. I think I have 6 cakes, might just try one smaller box and the rest cakes. I never really thought of it as damaging before, which with my limited knowledge sounds plausible. I’ve only done PF once or twice years ago, and from I remember and read, the results are normally pretty low? I’ve also read some people having good results too though.

I guess it would be nice to have some product for while I wait.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26473037 - 02/06/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Can’t get a good picture of the other jar, because I don’t want to move any of them. Syringe is like 15 months old as well, from an awesome place though. I’m trying to keep my heater from blowing inside the closet at all, currently only 66F in the closet though. Wish I could get it up some though, thoughts on that?


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26481094 - 02/11/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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This is how the two I inoculated first are doing. I innoced down the side, so the myc is wrapping around the bottom really well.  Out of the other 7, a few have showed myc. A few of the BRF jars showed myc too but I didn’t take pictures of any of those. It seems like it’s growing faster now that I got the temps up.

I’m about to get my taxes and I’m making a dope agar setup, and can finally take this seriously. I’d sure like an AA PC but damn they’re expensive. If this all truly intrigued me, I’ll probably buy one. Sure would feel safer too.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26481150 - 02/11/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Boiling water at the end to help drying process





Next time skip that.

Presto pcs work just as well. I got an AA tho cause I'm cool like that.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: mushboy]
    #26481158 - 02/11/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ya I use a presto 16qt and I’m happy with it TBH, I just feel it would be a good investment if I truly enjoy this which I think I will, and be cool like that too. After the boiling water, I put them in a tub (same black and yellow one in the pic,) and stirred them around occasionally. Honestly, it took 24 hours to dry and I even put a fan on low to help them dry. They just didn’t want to dry, what should  I do next time? I’m using your shoebox tek BTW, thanks man.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26486283 - 02/14/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

(Edit) Didn’t relalize how much more they’ve colonized since my last picture. My kid puked on me a little and I’m not going by my jars ATM


When should I shake my jars? Obviously they’re a little more colonized then this last picture. I read shake around 30%, but I just wanted an opinion. I’d rather shake a little late than a little early, right? I feel like mine have a ways to go still?


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26487659 - 02/15/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)




This is how they look. The other 7 are colonizing but too small to bother with a picture. I only post again because I wanted to ask how much longer till shake? I would think 30% colonization will take a little longer but see people shake around where I’m at.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26492588 - 02/18/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



This is how they look after being shaken. I think I shook them
Yesterday. Seems like they’re booming now.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26492675 - 02/18/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Won’t be long now.. maybe a week for your grain jars.
Star prepping your substrate. I suggest coir and verm and 1 qt of spawn per shoe box.
If you need some links check out my signature.

Bulk is the way to go.. I’ve never done pf cakes but they look annoying to stay on top of, shoeboxes are set and forget till after the first flush... can’t beat that. :shrug:


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: staytrippy420]
    #26493926 - 02/19/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ya I figured about a week. I’m actually doing bulk with the BRF, PF is a different style from what I’ve read than I’m trying to do. I just got part of my taxes so I’m ordering my agar setup and going bonkers now. Am excited. Posting a picture of my jars the day after as a comparison for those interested.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26493935 - 02/19/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26493939 - 02/19/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: MushkingMulah360]
    #26494112 - 02/19/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Bulk really is the way to do it... I did cakes my very first grow, and I’m glad that I did as I think it helped me better understand some basic concepts/parameters and also build better habits, but now I stick with bulk as I find it much more productive.

Occasionally I’ll do cakes with my own personal twist when I get a wild hair up my ass, like “what would happen if I used horse poo and straw in my cakes”, and then still spawn those to bulk. I tend to find that they grow mushrooms mostly the same, so I’m not really sure why I do it lol. Variety I suppose.

Your stuff is looking right. Just remember that patience is your greatest asset in all of this and you’ll typically come out golden. It’s a wonderful hobby.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: Ryan_Spalding2727]
    #26494177 - 02/19/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks guys. Ya I don't remember exactly why I started the BRF jars, I think I was thinking it would be quicker than grain jars from some stuff I read... whether or not that is true, I don't know.

Do you do agar? Whats your favorite no pour tek? I was planning on doing pasty plates. If you do agar, whats your favorite brand agar. I was going to get two brands to experiment I guess. One brand I wanted to try was telephone brand.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26494201 - 02/19/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I get a pre mix lme agar from an online source. Seems todo the trick :shrug:

Pasty plates are a great way to get started. Read the whole thread for tips and pointers.
Start with a small batch till you get the hang of them, maybe 4 or 6.

I’m going to start using these I’m just waiting for them in the mail.
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    #26499431 - 02/23/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)



Here’s how they look now. Didn’t picture the other 7 as they are not worthy of a picture quite yet.  Last jars before I move onto agar work.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26504063 - 02/25/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)




Are these ready to spawn? They pretty much looked like this yesterday, I was going to spawn them tomorrow. Is that ok?


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26504204 - 02/25/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

They are close but I would still give them a day or 3. Better late than too soon with spawn

Regarding agar, it's super easy to make your own, and you can save a ton of money vs buying premade stuff. I use telephone brand and LME. You can buy 2l of premade MEA mix or a 15l worth of ingredients for about the same price, and for our purposes there is no real difference. Check out the guide in my sig

I never did no pours except for plant tissue culture, I really like the visibility you get from using disposable petri dishes

And about the question you asked me via pm: as per bods coir tek I usually let it sit in the cooler overnight, so it stays hot for quite a while longer than the couple of hours you mentioned. Just do it one night before you go to bed and it should be good to go by the time you get to it then next day


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26504226 - 02/25/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok thanks bud, I appreciate it your time. I ended up buying a nice set up of items to start streaking some agar.

Telephone agar
LME
Inoculation loop
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I think that’s it. Cost 105$, should be helpful though. ( ;;;;


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26504283 - 02/26/20 01:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Perfect :smile:

Make sure you get the powdered LME, it's easier to weigh

Did you buy a 500 case of petri dishes? Should be about 70$

You can get that agar dirt cheap at asian stores btw

I like the #7 scalpel handles a lot better than the other kind. Main blades I use are #11 and #15c

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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26505189 - 02/26/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hey sorry forgot to reply, I meant to at work but totally forgot. I actually only got 30 but I just got my taxes today so I’m going to buy a case. I imagine this will be worth it, but part of me is like damn I’m spending a decent amount of money on all of this lol...

I hope my loop is metal, would be stupid if I knew to get a metal scalpel but forgot about getting a metal loop. I’m going to mix up my sub right now, let it sit with hot water and mix it together before bed tonight! The jars definitely look ready. Looks more solid then yesterday


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26505264 - 02/26/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Great. Yeah if you are into the hobby long term its definitely worth the investment, saves a bunch of money over small purchases


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26505460 - 02/26/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok so I was going to spawn these like right now. I’ve had my coir/Verm sitting in (was boiling) water for a few hours. I checked my jars again, and not sure what to think. Is it bad? I looked at other posts and not sure what to think of mine. What shall I do?





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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26505538 - 02/26/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Did you follow bods tek? Coir should still be hot for many hours if you use the 5 gal cooler as directed

Just leave it overnight, no reason to rush it.

Yeah itd probably be fine, coir is all but bulletproof,  but why not follow the tek to a t? Jars are probably fine but an extra day wont hurt and might help. Honestly I'd probably give them 2 days


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26505601 - 02/26/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I read damions and Bods bucket tek, and they were similar so I just used their numbers but had to change the amounts for how much substrate I was using. Essentially just boil water, measure coir/Verm and put it in bucket, then put boiling water in bucket with something for a lid.

I didn’t explain myself in my last post. I’m actually worried how my jars look in a few spots. I’ve read a lot of different posts and still can’t say if my jars look off at all, and if they do I’m not sure what to do about it.. like still spawn the same or what.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26505610 - 02/26/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

They look alright. Definitely a little bacterial but should get some fruits for sure I'd say.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: WyoMX]
    #26505845 - 02/27/20 03:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Yes probably a little bacterial but a bet you’ll get fruit. Once this hobby gets ya it gets ya, interested to see how this one pans out :thumbup:

I ended up making my own inoculation loop by attaching some vape wire on the end of a pencil, works a treat and gets red hot. When you’re into agar it’ll be a flow hood next just building mine now.

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    #26506354 - 02/27/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the replies guys, I feel a little better. Spawning then tonight.

Good idea with the vape wire. I ended up just buying one, but I don’t think it’s pure metal. Would like to PC some of my items. Ya I think it’s taking hold of me too. I have an inline fan from when I grew weed and I’m going to make a flow hood too. How’s yours going?


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26506563 - 02/27/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah good, I’m  Practically finished, just need to seal it all up and power it up but I’m on holiday now till next week so it’ll have to wait till I get back now.

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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: Smoothcat]
    #26506578 - 02/27/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Don’t know if anyone mentioned this but, if you’re gonna try MS->grain, don’t inoculate through your poly filter. How would you even do that if you flame your needle? Did it melt some of the poly?

Much safer to lift the lid a bit and inject ime.


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    #26507034 - 02/27/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I believe I read that somewhere, I read a few do it through the poly so I said fuck it lets try. It didn't melt anyone of it surprisingly, I made it super tight too.

I only have two jars ready for spawn, should I put them in separate shoeboxes? im about to spawn them in the tonight. Also, I pasteurized my coir/verm substrate yesterday, and left it in the bucket until today. Is it ok to just use it still? From what I read, seems like its good to go.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26510748 - 03/01/20 03:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I only have two shoeboxes so far. One jar was a touch bacterial like you guys said (picture of jars I spawned are above,) but it seems like it’s doing well. I just spawned the other one today I think, surprised I can’t remember.. but what is that orange spot? It hasn’t grown at all and looks like a grain is stuck to the wall and it’s off the grain?







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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: feldman114]
    #26510846 - 03/01/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Don’t know if anyone mentioned this but, if you’re gonna try MS->grain, don’t inoculate through your poly filter. How would you even do that if you flame your needle? Did it melt some of the poly?

Why wouldn't you inoclute through your poly filter? You can let the needle cool a bit or squirt a shot out before going in.

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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: Sockadin]
    #26510993 - 03/01/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Because contam spores can land on your poly, even in the SAB. Then you’re just pushing them through with the needle.
Same reason SHIPs are a contam vector.


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Re: First Grain Grow (WBS) Shoebox Journal (2-04-2020) [Re: feldman114]
    #26525080 - 03/09/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This is what I got going right now. I got lazy and didn’t get more agar or more jars going, but I’m going to inoculate some more jars (with a syringe.) I didn’t get any serious contams and it’s just for while I wait for agar to be ready.

My agar is ok to be sitting like that? I was going to inoculate another 20-40 today so curious if I’m doing it right. From what I read I am.





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    #26530148 - 03/12/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

All grain except 1 BRF.  One box has pin, too early? How’s it look? I’m happy with it cuz it’s my tower grow but, I feel there’s room for improvement. What do you guys think?




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    #26530164 - 03/12/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Looking good!You should read proper surface moisture conditions guide, this will maximize your success. But looking really good so far! Congrats!


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    #26530202 - 03/12/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks man. Does it look a little dry? I read a lot about surface conditions , I was trying to not touch it if possible.. but it looks dry in the pics (trying not to even open it.)Again, thank you.


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