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PocketLady



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The Dreamlike Reality
#26468699 - 02/04/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Short video about how seeing reality as a dream can help us to hack the ego prison. Daishi describes the futility of making changes in the outer world, leading to more suffering and illusions. He explains how the solution lies in accessing the deep/universal unconscious mind to make changes at the root level of reality 
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: The Dreamlike Reality [Re: PocketLady]
#26468710 - 02/04/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The physical world already reflects this broad level awareness/capability. Physical reality is already a frequented landscape of personalized reality. Truth has been melted by willed perception. People craft personalized realities and live it empowered by digital landscapes. This trend will grow even further.
This capability is a skill. A skill that can lead to higher or lower paths. It's not a utopia end-state... clearly. It can actually become a nightmare if one isn't careful
The ego isn't a prison. In its correct framing/usage, it is the thing that keeps you grounded and safe. Playing with/manipulating 'reality' without the proper compass can be far more dangerous. One shoe doesn't fit all. Gurus don't exist but can as basic people utter messages for specific people/crowds that is fruitful.
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Re: The Dreamlike Reality [Re: r00tcmplx]
#26468770 - 02/04/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree that the ego shouldn't be a prison, but I think the relationship the awareness has with it at the moment, it basically is a prison. The awareness has no freedom, it is bound by the aversions and attractions the ego creates. The ego is a tool in which the awareness can interact with the world, but at the moment it is in the driving seat. I think the point of the spiritual process, is for the awareness to be in the driving seat and use the ego, not the other way around.
Also agree that playing with reality could potentially be dangerous, which is why one should seek help from an appropriately experienced person and never attempt this on their own. In fact, my understanding is that anyone who attempts this on their own won't get very far because they won't have the knowledge or tools, which is comforting. Anyway, the ideas expressed in this video either sing to you, or they don't. Either way, it's all good
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: The Dreamlike Reality [Re: PocketLady]
#26468789 - 02/04/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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r00tcmplx
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Re: The Dreamlike Reality [Re: PocketLady]
#26469096 - 02/04/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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PocketLady said: I agree that the ego shouldn't be a prison, but I think the relationship the awareness has with it at the moment, it basically is a prison.
Prisons are of a person's on making and it is a complicated sentence. Without awareness, you aren't going to have much to work with. Awareness is set upon by struggle/strife/open-mindedness/respect/introspection and a lot of hard work.
Ego and manipulating of it constructively is not possible until you have a certain level of awareness. A guru can't help you get to this point... You have to put in a lot of hard work all on your own and tap into things all on your own.
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PocketLady said: The awareness has no freedom, it is bound by the aversions and attractions the ego creates.
It is the first step to anything. A person can't address something you have no awareness over. The ego isn't directly addressable. A person has a lot of basics they have to cover before getting here. Try simple things like : empathy.. Not being a selfish person. Not being greedy.. Awareness then comes natural. A person doesn't need a guru to instruct them on how not to be an asshat in life. Just try not being one. The awareness comes from this first step.. Eventually a person will 'see themselves'' and 'judge themselves' and in that come to understand and fix themselves. No special Guru/religion/spirituality needed. Just try not being a piece of shit.
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PocketLady said: The ego is a tool in which the awareness can interact with the world, but at the moment it is in the driving seat. I think the point of the spiritual process, is for the awareness to be in the driving seat and use the ego, not the other way around.
Spirituality is a meta concept even more complex and abstract than religion and not accessible to the average person struggling with basic issues like : selfishness.. One of the more powerful and harming traits of the ego. Something like being raised around a diverse group of people fixes this. Or not being babied/given a silver spoon. If you're a selfish scumbag thus have an ego in the driver's seat, a Guru/retreat/meditation aren't going to fix your issues. It's too established in your experiences. It's going to instead take lots of hard work and sacrifice in your waking life. Sometimes getting equally fucked to the extent that you fuck others is often far more profound. The world in its current state isn't going to be served by a spiritual guru. And the people already on path towards spirituality somewhat already grasp this stuff.
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PocketLady said: Also agree that playing with reality could potentially be dangerous, which is why one should seek help from an appropriately experienced person and never attempt this on their own.
Better stated : Do go chasing waterfalls.. Stick to the rivers and lakes that you're used to. Don't try to start at level 50 from level 0. There are no shortcuts. An experienced person can't help you establish metaphysical understanding. It's indeed this very tv dinner concept that leads to the ego pollution present in the West. There is no Guru. They don't exist. Instead, respectfully talk with your fellow man and gain perspective beyond your selfish own. In that you obtain the more raw experience and long lasting change.
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PocketLady said: In fact, my understanding is that anyone who attempts this on their own won't get very far because they won't have the knowledge or tools, which is comforting. Anyway, the ideas expressed in this video either sing to you, or they don't. Either way, it's all good 
A person ofc can do this on their own.. They just have to have done the hard work up until that point. Again, there are no 'gurus'... Simply people who have obtained heightened understanding which are numerous. And they themselves don't have some divine truth/understand.. just their own personal perspectives and opinion. Jesus was just a dude. There have been actually more enlightened dudes throughout history and even they speak of a narrow experience for they are no Gods among men. Ultimately, if something helps you, it helps you... Even the belief that there's some Spiritual Guru who can give you TV dinner enlightenment aids certain pursuits... But in this is where I highlighted the importance of an Ego which is what a Guru works through. It's not something negative. It's essential to your very existence and sanity... Ego is the thing that tells you there are 'Gurus'. If you tuned your ego down, you'd instead say : I am less than dirt and so is everyone else on the planet... there are no Gurus.
So, there is sort of an irony for any 'Guru' to express a concept of ego-death... Dirt telling you to be dirt... But before hand, believe I am special Guru dirt

I guess this whole Guru thing never worked for me because I've always just grasped the bullshit nature of the world. Something I refine by the day and ultimately even in my death won't fully grasp.
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Re: The Dreamlike Reality [Re: r00tcmplx]
#26469110 - 02/04/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for sharing your opinion r00tcmplx. I will indeed try to have more empathy, it's really good advice
-------------------- Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity. The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death. Tomorrow, when resurrection comes, The heart that is not in love will fail the test. ~ Rumi The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny. ~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir
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Re: The Dreamlike Reality [Re: PocketLady]
#26469152 - 02/04/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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PocketLady said: Thanks for sharing your opinion r00tcmplx. I will indeed try to have more empathy, it's really good advice 
I am kind of harsh in my delivery but ultimately I'm just highlighting that you and everyone has all the potential/power/knowledge/wisdom within themselves to achieve this. You just gotta put in the hard work to tap into it. And with that, its best to start with the basics and build your way up and out. I'm not a Guru. I am dirt. Scrutinize my words for their validity the same as anyone.. even your own.. and that of a Guru/expert. After putting things through a well formed crucible, ah'.. there is the hard earned truth you've been looking for.. And you can do this throughout your whole lifetime and only have a very small portion of the bigger picture.. Which is to bring awe', respect, and reverence to the grandness of things.
In the vessel in which you exist, you can create a near infinite reality. But such a thing is powerful and must be treated with respect. Even when I debate a person or strongly disagree, I am ultimately listening and growing.. and gaining perspective (ah')...
Internal thought process : > I don't agree with you.. but Why do you believe as you do? What is the nature behind that belief? What is the history? What is the intent? What cultivated it
Ah', i see.. and is that in me? how does that relate to my experiences? Culture? Bias.. Ah', there it is.. that is something I need to fix.
^empathy ... Doesn't always have to be 'pitty' concept.. it can be quite streamlined and targeted... selfish even. However, it is premised on a certain respect (can even be subconscious). And it is when you respect and pause even if you you believe a person to be an idiot is when you can gain something valuable.. For you see a similar way (empathy) you too are an idiot.. and have those flaws... Maybe in your present self or past.. and if you sit and focus on that.. you can grown in that instant from recognizing something you didn't even of your past self.
Perfect example.. while I was Jesus bashing someone years ago.. I came to understand why I used to be like them. Why I maintained such a strong belief in the concept. How it literally saved my life.. And I saw that In the person who I called a clown even at the time. I walked away ah'... learning something about myself and my nature and my flaws and my ego.. etc etc.
^this is a more free ranged mindset that I try not to play in for long because its dangerous and ultimately I must chose and stay grounded in a principle but there it is highlighted... A guru can lay this out for you but it will be hard for them to initiate you/warn you/and help you navigate such a mind-state. Thus partly why I learned not to expose such concepts recklessly to people.
It's better that a person cultivate and work themselves up to this state themselves so to have multiple and stable 'fall back safeties' in place.
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