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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: SynKyd]
    #26465887 - 02/02/20 07:41 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

GVG always.
Back when I smoked weed I used my little glass pipe, but since I've had the GVG (15 years or so) I've never looked back.

I loudly agree with taking oral harmalas (either from caapi vine or Syrian Rue) before smoking-- it's a spectacular change in the character of the experience-- and it also substantially lengthens the trip-- you can make your spice last a looong time with harmalas in your system-- can't recommend it highly enough.

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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26466004 - 02/02/20 09:32 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

I found that infusing DMT into a smoking blend like damiana is best for me, and a waterpipe/bong.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26467654 - 02/03/20 10:02 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I think getting the ratio of DMT to vape juice should be pretty easy, volume of ejuice to weight of DMT. But Ive never tried it so not sure.

Sounds nice Trex. Id be down for some changa.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26468162 - 02/04/20 09:45 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

While thinking about it more I could infuse the syrian rue extract in it as well. It dissolves in alcohol/everclear. I wonder if that would work?


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26468201 - 02/04/20 10:00 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Sure it should work. :thumbup:

The extract dissolves just like the dmt, and after drying it's evenly spread and soaked into the herb.

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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26468225 - 02/04/20 10:17 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

I wonder how tricky it would be to get the ratio of DMT to Syrian Rue just right.....


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26468232 - 02/04/20 10:20 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Hmmm, don't know if I need that kick though, lol! DMT is powerful enough on it's own for me.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26468252 - 02/04/20 10:31 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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I wonder how tricky it would be to get the ratio of DMT to Syrian Rue just right.....




I used to made changa roughly 4:2:1.
4 parts herb, 2 parts dmt, 1 part harmalas. Usually a bit lower on the harmalas.
That's for extracted almost pure alkaloids though. No crude resin. :shrug:

Others like more potent ratios, some even use 1:1 for herb to dmt.

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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26468271 - 02/04/20 10:48 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Yep, acaterpillaer did that. I wonder where he's been actually? He got lost in Dallas, lol.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26468359 - 02/04/20 11:49 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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I think getting the ratio of DMT to vape juice should be pretty easy, volume of ejuice to weight of DMT. But Ive never tried it so not sure.

Sounds nice Trex. Id be down for some changa.



With changa and all that it’s easier because you can weight out specific measurements and then consume the entire measurment.  With vape juice you can make the juice with precise measurements but when you go to consume it.... where the juice meets the coil there’s no way to be sure the exact amount the coil is vaporizing/pulling from the cotton.  So as you dribble it on there even if you do your math on how many drops equal what measurement of dmt, it’s not certain the amount of juice vaporizing, so it gets sketchy.  And, after a vape how much is left, so how much do you then add?  See what I’m saying?

With a lot of trial and error you could figure out what works I guess and just make each go of it from full saturation but even that’s not precise so you would have to guestimate a sweet spot but that’s a lot of too little/too much.  Maybe I’m just over thinking things but to make a 2-3 vape breakthrough strength juice it’s going to be strong enough that just a bit too much and you’ll catch yourself getting hyperslapped.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26468449 - 02/04/20 12:32 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Dab rig for smoking or a Mimosa brew and caapi or rue is my preferred.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Lophophora] * 1
    #26468463 - 02/04/20 12:40 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Anyone ever boof it?  The topic came up in ODD.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Amanita86]
    #26468483 - 02/04/20 12:53 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Dmt freebase out of a sherlock glass vapor genie is my favorite way. In my opinion ayahuasca is extremely overrated and causes more anxiety and panic attacks than mushrooms and lsd. I don't even consider ayahuasca a true dmt experience because you have a MAOI and other alkaloids messing with your brain during the experience. For the true experience you want pure/snow white dmt vaporized out of the gvg :yesnod: . Just my opinion...


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Shenmue]
    #26468505 - 02/04/20 01:06 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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Dmt freebase out of a sherlock glass vapor genie is my favorite way. In my opinion ayahuasca is extremely overrated and causes more anxiety and panic attacks than mushrooms and lsd. I don't even consider ayahuasca a true dmt experience because you have a MAOI and other alkaloids messing with your brain during the experience. For the true experience you want pure/snow white dmt vaporized out of the gvg :yesnod: . Just my opinion...




Aya is not overrated, hyped in some ways yeah, but there's a lot more going on, as you said, than just DMT. A lot of the teachings and gnosis and other benefits comes from the Harmalas, the DMT is important no doubt but the Harmalas are even more important, the Harmalas don't act simply as an MAOI to allow for oral DMT activation, they have other properties that contribute greatly to the overall benefits and experience. If you're concerned about DMT being altered in some way, try Moclobemide, it'll orally activate DMT and doesn't intrude upon the oral DMT experience, most it'll do is raise levels of Serotonin and Noradrenaline, making things more clearheaded, but other than that it's pretty transparent on the body. But with that said, there's a variety of ways one can alter/tweak the DMT experience (both orally, and smoked/vaped) to their liking, by the addition of any kind of plant or supplement, there's lots of potential there imo, but most just go for the basic DMT (or other Psychedelic) experience. Overall though, Moclobemide is interesting, but i much prefer Harmalas with my DMT, it just offers so much more.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Sabnock]
    #26468532 - 02/04/20 01:27 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Harmalas are more important? I disagree with that. I've used these substances and i don't think ayahuasca is anymore special than mushrooms or lsd.  People completely over exaggerate the ayahuasca experience. They get into all that hocus pocus and mother aya bullshit and sound just as ridiculous as religious people. Having a non English speaking shaman blow smoke in your face and throw leaves around is freaking ridiculous..


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Shenmue] * 1
    #26468584 - 02/04/20 02:07 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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Harmalas are more important? I disagree with that. I've used these substances and i don't think ayahuasca is anymore special than mushrooms or lsd.  People completely over exaggerate the ayahuasca experience. They get into all that hocus pocus and mother aya bullshit and sound just as ridiculous as religious people. Having a non English speaking shaman blow smoke in your face and throw leaves around is freaking ridiculous..




I'm not talking about the Aya tourism hocus pocus, i agree that stuff is overrated and way too hyped. However, yes, the Harmalas are very important, and if you don't think so, i suggest diving into deep Harmala territory. It seems relatively common for people to consume just enough Harmalas/Rue/Caapi to orally activate DMT, which makes people think it's all about the DMT, it's not, trust me on this, i'm very experienced with Rue and Mimosa/Acacia (as well as Rue and mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT), the Harmalas/Rue makes a hell of a difference and has many effects/benefits to add to the experience. The main source of teachings from Aya comes from the Harmalas, not the DMT, sure taking the Harmalas/Rue/Caapi on their own may not do much (even though they no doubt do a bit on their own), but after extensive experimentation with Harmalas and DMT (or Psilocin), you will begin to see just how much comes from the Harmalas. In fact, depending on dosages, when Harmala-heavy dosages are used, a little bit of DMT/Psilocin can go a long way, and the overall experience becomes way more Aya-like rather than DMT-like, it's like completely different substances/medicines depending on dosages. I wouldn't recommend consuming pure/isolated Harmalas, full spectrum Rue or Caapi is far better, i personally use Rue, but have consumed pure Harmalas many times and it definitely lacks the magic that the full spectrum brings, DMT or Psilocin on the other hand can be used in pure form and it works just fine, but you definitely want the full spectrum Harmala-containing plant, ime/imo.

If you wanna know just how much of a difference the Harmalas make, i highly recommend trying out higher/heavier Harmala/Rue/Caapi dosages (it'll probably make you vomit, so be prepared for that), and then get ahold of some Moclobemide and try that with DMT, and then compare. If you've only used enough Harmalas to orally activate DMT in order to avoid possible nausea/vomiting and bodyload and haven't really gone deep into the Harmala territory, it's likely you wouldn't understand. But i assure you, i've been there, and i've learned, i know just how important the Harmalas are. They don't call Caapi "Ayahuasca" for no reason, traditionally DMT wasn't even included in Ayahuasca, Caapi was used by itself or in conjunction with other plants but DMT wasn't a requirement, though the DMT certainly has benefits and contributes and has things to offer, but the real magic comes from the Harmalas, no doubt the DMT contributes though.

I also do not recommend people having to travel to the jungle for an "authentic experience", in fact someone on facebook blocked me last night lol because i was talking about how solo journeying with Aya is just fine and is probably better than all that traditional hoopla. Aya was my first Psychedelic/Entheogen, and the one i have a lot of experience with (daily/near daily for 4 years and in all sorts of dosages, plants and extracts, etc), and i've always taken it on my own and been fine, lots of people prefer solo journeying but apparently some think we adults can't handle a strong medicine, i personally don't get the big deal, i mean yeah it's freaking insanely intense and powerful, much more so than mushrooms or Psilohuasca or LSD, but it's certainly manageable imo.

But yeah, it's worth another look imo, dive deep into the Harmala territory, use light to moderate dosages of DMT or Psilocin, and you'll probably see what i mean after a bit of experimentation.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26468632 - 02/04/20 02:31 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

But yeah like i mentioned, i've noticed a lot of people seem to take just enough Rue/Caapi/Harmalas (a low to moderate dosage) to orally activate DMT, but don't ever bother going deeper into the Harmala territory because they don't wanna get nauseous or vomit or feel sick or anything like that, which is no doubt understandable, however, in doing so, you tend to miss out on the more important Harmala aspects that come from higher/heavier dosages. No doubt the DMT is a very important and special molecule, and it certainly deserves praises and provides the main experience, but with the Harmalas, the Harmalas are the main element, the main medicine, the DMT is secondary, it works through the Harmalas and illuminates the properties of the Harmalas, while also adding it's own illumination to the experience.
If you don't know/understand how important Harmalas are when it comes to Ayahuasca, and merely see Ayahuasca as orally active DMT, then you haven't gone deep/far enough.

Though it is true that DMT can be quite anxiety-inducing lol, particularly during the come up, after that though it's fine. One reason why i recommend Lemon Balm tea (3 to 4.5 grams of dried leaf) for smoothing out the intense come up. On the contrary, mushrooms, 4-ACO-DMT, Psilohuasca, LSD, have all been gentler for me personally thus far, so keep in mind DMT is one intense compound, but it's really not as bad as people think. It's intensity during the come up is one thing that builds discipline and helps with growth and teaches you a lot, including how to better deal with it and what to do to maneuver yourself through it. If you fight it though, and don't surrender to it's power, you're gonna be in for a rough time, but Lemon Balm makes things quite a bit more manageable and doesn't seem to detract from it's higher consciousness-inducing properties.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Sabnock]
    #26468636 - 02/04/20 02:33 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Also another thing worth mentioning, is that Lemon Balm tea (3 to 4.5 grams) also cleans up how the Rue/Harmalas feel, even if you take heavier dosages of Rue/Harmalas, the Lemon Balm makes it feel much cleaner/lighter, even to the point where you don't even really feel the Rue/Harmalas (particularly bodyload), especially compared to the raw Rue/Harmala effects. So it's two fold, it smooths out the intense come up, and also cleans up how the Rue/Harmalas feel, so it's a really nice combination ime.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Sabnock]
    #26468644 - 02/04/20 02:38 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

But if someone is looking something gentler, i do recommend checking out Psilohuasca. So far it's been pretty interesting, and has taken me to pretty much the same states as Aya with oral DMT, it's just a bit different, but definitely shares similarities. I still do recommend consuming at least a moderate dosage of Rue/Caapi/Harmalas though, low doses work fine and definitely change things up as it is, but the more Harmalas, the better, imo, even though there is possible nausea, vomiting, heavier bodyload, and some other "side-effects" but it's really not as bad as people think, higher/heavier dosages of Harmalas can be a bit rough (particularly without the Lemon Balm), but it's worth the suffering imo, and it's highly rewarding and very teaching.


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Re: Whats your prefered method for DMT? [Re: Sabnock]
    #26468648 - 02/04/20 02:41 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Another benefit to higher/heavier Harmala dosages, is that it brings with it a grounding and relaxant effect, that can not only relax the body and mind, but also makes the anxiety and panic more tolerable, even though it can kick up the anxiety and panic, it also seems to provide grounding so it makes things more tolerable, particularly compared to using low to moderate dosages of Harmalas which with a good dosage of DMT makes things more panicky.


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