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I am trying out the all-in-one grow bags that I got from a vendor. I inoculated them yesterday with 3 cc's each. I used one injection point to place one CC in three different locations in the middle of the grain portion of the bag. This is a multi-spore experiment. I put the bags in the cabinet above the refrigerator so they will be nice and warm.
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 After 11 days I finally got some indication of growth. I injected the grain in the middle of the bag, and I was afraid that it would take forever before it made it's way out. This is the PES Amazonian.
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I’ve noticed with bags done by and syringe so far once you start seeing growth like that reach the outside you most likely have a nice ball of growth in the middle and you can break it up now if not within the next few days and it will finish up within about a week usually.
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looks like it might b contam with bacteria might just b the pic but it looks wet and slimy in there to me post another pic thats better and more clear with less glare if u can. it will b easier to tell for sure. spores to grain is risky most of the time anyway then add the risk of buying premade shit. cuz half the time its already garbage from the get go. u just double your chances of failure. either way its gnna b a crap shoot goin spores to grain
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: jcm4620]
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I don't think it looks bacterial just yet. There are a lot of burst grains though that are probably giving that wet appearance.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: iwh678]
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This is actually the PF Classic, the Amazonians have not yet displayed. The grains are still loose.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: iwh678]
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Those bags are waaaay over hyrated. Even if that spore syringe was clean, it will be a struggle to colonize that thing, if at all.
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I think those bags are fine, over-hydrated grains look nothing like this
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: eLeSDenes]
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I think that the Amazonians are finally showing. Not enough yet to make a determination, but enough to give me hope that this project is not a waste of time.
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Yeah bags look good to me. Maybe he ment that they were overcooked during the steaming process.
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Taking a look at this pic, you can see the grains are over saturated. The substrate material above the grains looks plenty hydrated as well. When you have a bunch of shit stacked on top if each other like that in a big bag, it is best to under hydrate everything. If there's too much water, compaction becomes an issue. Basically it will stifle the mycelium, inhibiting growth, or stopping it all together.
Anything like this from a vendor is usally trash. They target the ill-informed.
Just inject with spores and you'll have mushies in no time. Super easy, super fast!!! Buy a heating mat for that overpriced bag, and shit will grow EVEN faster!!
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The bags were prepared by a vendor, and they are very shiny. The grain looks a lot damper in the photo than it really is. I am keeping a pretty close watch on both bags. The Amazons just started to show some mycelium, but not enough to take a pic. I am trying not to disturb the bags too much to allow the mycelium to get a really good start before I mix the grain into the substrate. Thanks for your input though, this is my first attempt at grain and manure. I am hoping that I can get larger fruits with fewer aborts.
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Good luck, man. I hope those work out for you. Keep us aprised.
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Sockadin said: Yeah bags look good to me. Maybe he ment that they were overcooked during the steaming process.
Ok I see it now. Yeah they do look slimy. No reason to despair, just leave them alone for a month and forget you did anything.

Taking a look at this pic, you can see the grains are over saturated. The substrate material above the grains looks plenty hydrated as well. When you have a bunch of shit stacked on top if each other like that in a big bag, it is best to under hydrate everything. If there's too much water, compaction becomes an issue. Basically it will stifle the mycelium, inhibiting growth, or stopping it all together.
Anything like this from a vendor is usally trash. They target the ill-informed.
Just inject with spores and you'll have mushies in no time. Super easy, super fast!!! Buy a heating mat for that overpriced bag, and shit will grow EVEN faster!!
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: Sockadin]
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 Here is another shot in a different lighting condition.
From what I can tell so far it is working just fine. This is truly very much the same as the PF tek. I have been using the PF Tek for about 25 years, and yes, I have had some failures from time to time, but, the vast majority were clean. The substrate bags were created by people who know a lot more about it than I do. I paid less than $20 per bag and saved me hours that I would have spent doing it myself, and I am sure with better results.
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I am sure that you should end up with something. Please do not plug sponsors because they only sell cultivation supplies for edible gourmet mushrooms.
Even if there is a contamination in the bag, which I do not think there is. I think the grain is over hydrated and the coir mixture at the top may be adding excess moisture to your spawn you really don't know until it is obvious or until you put it into fruiting. Because we often fruit in open air conditions no spore print, or spore syringe is clean and anytime you use a syringe you run the risk of introducing a contamination like a bacteria or mold into your sterilized substrate. Honestly OP, I wouldn't worry about it. Throw that thing in a drawer or shelf and forget about it for 3-4 weeks. Put a timer on your phone to remind you it is there. Lets check back in 4 weeks and have a conversation about fruiting options.
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I don't know how large the mycelium is but it has definitely grown since I took the pictures. but the grain is moving around pretty easily, so I think I am going to wait awhile before I break it up and mix it with the manure substrate. I will keep you posted.
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Just an update on the PF grow bag. I have jostled the grains around some among themselves.
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21 days all-in-one grow bag progress. I think that I will let it go another week, and break it up and mix it.
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usually all in one bags that are pre made will contain everything but mushrooms lol. pre made shit is trash 75% of the time if not higher then add in the fact you are shooting dirty ass spores into them= a great formula for failure
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: jcm4620]
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I am sure that you are right, but I don't think that I am ready to toss these out yet. I guess that you have done this?
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iv never used those bags. id make your own grain and sub. its so easy a 6yr old can do it. and use agar not dirty ass spore syringes. if u do those 3 things i promise you will have more mushies than u know what to do with. the idea of havin all the work done and having it all in 1 bag is appealing but you are just falling for the sexy advertising. you will end up with a marginal yield, more work and spend more time tryin to make it into something it can never be. a lil bit of good old reading and studying on this site will make it easy. ppl here have already failed for you. so if you use their teks to the letter you will b swimming in mushrooms in no time and you will be proud of the effort you put in.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: jcm4620]
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$20 = more than 20x 66qt tubs worth of grain (@4qts/tub) (50# of grain is like $13)
$20 = 8 coir bricks (in bulk)
Call it $100 for PC and agar supplies. Couple hours of strain isolating and sterilizing grains, and then that +/-$250 investment into 8 tubs worth would yield two dry pounds.
That's mainly what he's getting at I think. And that using agar will get more consistent results.
Looking good though, maybe next time.
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bingo filth👍😃 not to mention the satisfaction you get by doin it yourself
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jcm4620 said: iv never used those bags. id make your own grain and sub. its so easy a 6yr old can do it. and use agar not dirty ass spore syringes. if u do those 3 things i promise you will have more mushies than u know what to do with. the idea of havin all the work done and having it all in 1 bag is appealing but you are just falling for the sexy advertising. you will end up with a marginal yield, more work and spend more time tryin to make it into something it can never be. a lil bit of good old reading and studying on this site will make it easy. ppl here have already failed for you. so if you use their teks to the letter you will b swimming in mushrooms in no time and you will be proud of the effort you put in.
I understand how easy it is for a 6 year old, but not so much for a septuagenarian. It is an experiment. Sexy advertising had absolutely nothing to do with my decision. I have everything that I need to go to grain, and I may do that. I even have a pet Petri dish. I have purchased a lot of syringes from different vendors, and most of them have been pretty clean except the ones that I got from a vendor who recently changed his name and one from Canada. I know that there is an increased risk of failure, but if you trust your vendors to do what they say they are going to do, then it's not much different than the PF TEK. (Except of course, the work involved.) I know that I won't get the beautiful canopies that you guys strive for, and I won't be "swimming in mushies" but, I don't need that many. I usually take 5gs once or twice a year. I don't sell them. I give them to my friends who like to take them at music festivals and concerts. I usually take them when I need to figure something out. If I get a quarter to a half pound, as I normally get from the PF TEK, that will last me for a couple of years and the experiment will be deemed a success. Some years, I gave them all away, but this year I am dealing with end of life issues and maybe I will find some answers. I wanted to try the pan cyans, but I figured that they were much more difficult than cubensis to grow. My Pet petri.
 I raised it from a little spot.
 Although this is not the preferred method by members of this group, if it works I am a fan. If it doesn't, I will get back up and try something else.
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u obviously missed the point but what ever good luck
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$20 = 8 coir bricks (in bulk)
Call it $100 for PC and agar supplies. Couple hours of strain isolating and sterilizing grains, and then that +/-$250 investment into 8 tubs worth would yield two dry pounds.
That's mainly what he's getting at I think. And that using agar will get more consistent results.
Looking good though, maybe next time. 
I guess that I need my hearing adjusted. I didn't hear anything like that! I have everything on the list except coir. I think that it is looking pretty good too. The mycelium looks healthy, and it is already colonizing the substrate. I get that using agar will give more consistent results, but if you are using a multi-spore print or syringe you don't really know what properties the fruit is going to have until it appears. If you fruit a multi-spore first, then you can select the fruit that has the traits that are important to you. Some of the fruit may be ugly, but they all work! Thanks for the good wishes.
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Sure thing! I understand if you only need a couple oz every few years, kits might be good.
Good stuff just for hobby stuff though if you find you have the time. Better than tv for me.
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Good stuff just for hobby stuff though if you find you have the time. Better than tv for me.
Yeah, I have seen some of the agar plates and found that mycelium is beautiful. That is why I have my Pet Petri. It is tomentose, and I don't have a clue what would result if I made a liquid culture or a liquid inoculant from it.
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You might have a couple of weeks left before fruiting.
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Sockadin said: You might have a couple of weeks left before fruiting.
It certainly does seem to grow pretty rapidly! I was hoping that it would form some rhizomorphic growth, if that makes a difference. However, what I meant was I have no idea what the traits of the fruit will be.
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Hi everyone, my first post, new to the forum, thank you to the OP for sharing your photos and thoughts, I think it is going to be a successful outcome! Please keep everyone posted. I agree with your thoughts about spending precious time :) I started using similar bags 5 days back, as a first experiment I think its a great idea (for me)! There is a lot of great information in this forum, thank you everyone for posting and sharing your knowledge and ideas!
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: mgavatar]
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I am happy to share the progress of this project with you. I inoculated 2 all-in-one grain bags with 2 strains. The one that I have been taking pictures of is PF Classic the other is PES Amazonian. I inoculated both bags deep into the grain, and I think I may not inject so deeply next time if this one is successful. The Amazons took a lot longer to get to the outside of the bag than the PFs, but both are consolidating well. I haven't decided yet how I am going to fruit them. I may fruit them in my PF fruiting chamber like a big PF cake, or fruit them in the bag with a casing or something else altogether. Share your progress too! Good luck.
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I started with two bags and two strains as well, at a week mark, Mexicana showed some mycelium growth sooner than the B+, I put the whole 10 cc, rookie mistake, but will see  Starting another batch next week with a third different strain and 2 different substrates to compare.
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I just transferred my pet petri to 3 jars of rye grain. Which I soaked for 24 hours with caco3 and simmered for 15 minutes, dried for 2 hrs until the grains didn't leave a mark on toilet tissue, sterilized for 90 minutes at 15 psig. I have to say that injecting a bag is a lot easier!
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Here photos day 8, I am using this bluetooth sensor (bought from Amazon) for humidity and temperature, seems to be working well, but would probably need some work around in the fruiting chamber/container when ready.
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Well, to all of those interested, the bag that I have pictured is finished. I am getting ready to move it to a fruiting chamber tomorrow. The PES Amazonians never produced, and the bag got an awful smell so I dumped it into the woods! I don't think that it was the bag, because the PESAs didn't even grow on agar after almost 2 months. From the little dot that started my pet petri, I got 3 quart jars of rye grain. I am currently pasteurizing the coir-vermiculite substrate so that I can spawn the grain to it.
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That bag looks really weird to me... spawn it anyways but I wouldn’t be surprised if it went green before the flush.
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jbgtaa said: That bag looks really weird to me... spawn it anyways but I wouldn’t be surprised if it went green before the flush.
I don't think that it was mixed as well as I thought it was. It is now in the fruiting chamber, so I will see what transpires.
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It looks good. It's a fruit in bag style so the bulk sub layer is there.
Op: Not many people are gonna have experience with this style, most people seem doctrinated to me now days. "Your doing it wrong, or just do agar it is simple" I see far to often on these boards lately.
Maybe I'm just getting up there in age man, but you do you and we are here to help if you need a second opinion.
Bag looks good, hope you get enough for the final ride out of this hell hole!
How do you plan on fruiting your bag?
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Sockadin said: It looks good. It's a fruit in bag style so the bulk sub layer is there.
Op: Not many people are gonna have experience with this style, most people seem doctrinated to me now days. "Your doing it wrong, or just do agar it is simple" I see far to often on these boards lately.
Maybe I'm just getting up there in age man, but you do you and we are here to help if you need a second opinion.
Bag looks good, hope you get enough for the final ride out of this hell hole!
How do you plan on fruiting your bag?
I smells good too! I don't see too well anymore and when I mixed them, it was not completely mixed. I am in my 70s and I have been growing every couple of years since the early 90s. I appreciate the help. /Rant Start I absolutely agree with you about the Indoctrination Factor! There is only one way to do this...except there isn't. I used the PF Tek for years and it has never disappointed me, but now omg! You are using a multi-spore syringe? That's nasty! And you are obviously a loser if you try to make this process easier by purchasing a product that you could make in just a couple of hours. and if you have a lot of hours, that isn't a problem. The bags that I bought cost me 20 dollars each. I then prepared a few grain jars, and spent hours cleaning, soaking and pasteurizing them. I spent more time inoculating a few agar plates (also purchased). Then, I inoculated the jars with the plate and spent all day today preparing the coir-vermiculite substrate so that I can spawn the jars. So my conclusion: It was easier to inject the bag with a spore syringe. Yes, I lost one to contamination but even with the new Teks there are failures. There are many people here that disparage vendors even those who sponsor this group. If spore vendors sent out dirty products as a general practice they would not be in business long. /End Rant I birthed the "cake" as I would have done with a PF cake. The grain spawn will go into a unmodified monotub.
Thanks for your encouragement not just for me, but for those who are new to this forum, especially those who make their own mistakes.
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Sockadin said: It looks good. It's a fruit in bag style so the bulk sub layer is there.
Op: Not many people are gonna have experience with this style, most people seem doctrinated to me now days. "Your doing it wrong, or just do agar it is simple" I see far to often on these boards lately.
Maybe I'm just getting up there in age man, but you do you and we are here to help if you need a second opinion.
Bag looks good, hope you get enough for the final ride out of this hell hole!
How do you plan on fruiting your bag?
I smells good too! I don't see too well anymore and when I mixed them, it was not completely mixed. I am in my 70s and I have been growing every couple of years since the early 90s. I appreciate the help. /Rant Start I absolutely agree with you about the Indoctrination Factor! There is only one way to do this...except there isn't. I used the PF Tek for years and it has never disappointed me, but now omg! You are using a multi-spore syringe? That's nasty! And you are obviously a loser if you try to make this process easier by purchasing a product that you could make in just a couple of hours. and if you have a lot of hours, that isn't a problem. The bags that I bought cost me 20 dollars each. I then prepared a few grain jars, and spent hours cleaning, soaking and pasteurizing them. I spent more time inoculating a few agar plates (also purchased). Then, I inoculated the jars with the plate and spent all day today preparing the coir-vermiculite substrate so that I can spawn the jars. So my conclusion: It was easier to inject the bag with a spore syringe. Yes, I lost one to contamination but even with the new Teks there are failures. There are many people here that disparage vendors even those who sponsor this group. If spore vendors sent out dirty products as a general practice they would not be in business long. /End Rant I birthed the "cake" as I would have done with a PF cake. The grain spawn will go into a unmodified monotub.
Thanks for your encouragement not just for me, but for those who are new to this forum, especially those who make their own mistakes.
Congrats on the successes and sorry if you’re frustrated, people really are trying to help evolve the practice here so don’t take it personally. If you ask for advice it will come, what you do with each recommendation is certainly your choice. Hopefully you stick around and learn / adapt with the rest of us, it’s a community and all are welcome!
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Right on man.
Sometimes people like to share and sometimes people ask for advice and both are ok and should be respected. Often the young ones want to share and then ask for advise so I think it's normal for people who want to help, show them the mistakes or risks. It is human nature to help as long as it doesn't serve some egoic need to prove an underlying beliefs system.
I digress, happy for you, can't wait for picture of the grow.
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do you use a heat-sealer? I got one in my shopping cart at Amazon I'm about to order with a bunch of bags.
I was wondering how easy a heat-sealer is to use since you're using bags.
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Congrats on the successes and sorry if you’re frustrated, people really are trying to help evolve the practice here so don’t take it personally. If you ask for advice it will come, what you do with each recommendation is certainly your choice. Hopefully you stick around and learn / adapt with the rest of us, it’s a community and all are welcome!

Thank you! I am entirely too old to take any of this personally. I had never done a grow bag before, but, if you think about it, it is not much different than the PF Tek except all of the hard work is done. I did actually do some agar stuff. (I didn't pour my own plates though. I bought a sleeve of 20 sterilized 100mm MEA plates for $20.) I ordered them online, and they were delivered right to my house. Easier! I think that if I decide to do another all-in-one, I will try a Liquid Culture inoculation. All in all, I think the experiment was a success. It may not yield a ton of shrooms, but at 10 gms a year it would take me several lifetimes to use a ton.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: AtmozFear]
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AtmozFear said: do you use a heat-sealer? I got one in my shopping cart at Amazon I'm about to order with a bunch of bags.
I was wondering how easy a heat-sealer is to use since you're using bags.
I don't have a heat sealer. I am sure that you will be able to figure it out. If you are using grow bags, I think that it would be very useful. You could also use it for storing your dried fruit in the freezer. You could keep them frozen for years.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: Sockadin]
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Sockadin said: Right on man.
Sometimes people like to share and sometimes people ask for advice and both are ok and should be respected. Often the young ones want to share and then ask for advise so I think it's normal for people who want to help, show them the mistakes or risks. It is human nature to help as long as it doesn't serve some egoic need to prove an underlying beliefs system.
I digress, happy for you, can't wait for picture of the grow.
Yeah, I get that. It's just that there are a lot of people who have never done this stuff before, and they are so worried about contamination and they post pictures of their jars, and someone will tell them to toss them and they do! I was in a thread the other day, and someone posted a picture and there was a space between two rhyzomorphic expansions that was a little grey like mycelium was just starting on it. I have seen it a hundred times, so I pleaded with the guy to wait a couple of days to see what happens, but it was too late he tossed it on the advise of another new grower.
I will be sure to post the results of this experiment!
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: Sockadin]
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Sockadin said: It looks good. It's a fruit in bag style so the bulk sub layer is there.
Op: Not many people are gonna have experience with this style, most people seem doctrinated to me now days. "Your doing it wrong, or just do agar it is simple" I see far to often on these boards lately.
Maybe I'm just getting up there in age man, but you do you and we are here to help if you need a second opinion.
Bag looks good, hope you get enough for the final ride out of this hell hole!
How do you plan on fruiting your bag?
Check the bottom right corner. There’s both bacteria and 2 different colored myc in there. It’s white, but it’s not cube white. Also OP is spawning it to coir, so are you sure there is a substrate layer on top? Why wouldn’t he just fruit it that way if there was?
EDIT: sock you were right I just checked the original post but either way there is something sketchy in there. Even if it has substrate in it what I’m referring to is in the grain section, in the bottom right corner.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: jbgtaa]
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Sucksess! I declare a complete success for the all in one grow bag experiment. Here is the proof!
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First pin cluster
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Congrats man. I have had poor (mold covered poor) experience with these grow kits but it sounds like you beat the odds and will be provided with everything you need. 
We will be here if you want to get back into the agar and bulk producing. Enjoy!
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They are growing up so fast! They will be ready for college pretty soon.
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Looking good! Those are healthy mushrooms.
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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: Sockadin]
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Sockadin said: Looking good! Those are healthy mushrooms.
They do look pretty good. I think a couple of them might make the 50g club. My monotub is looking pretty good too.
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We will be here if you want to get back into the agar and bulk producing. Enjoy!
Thank you! It wasn't a complete success, I did lose one bag to bacterial infection. I attribute that to the colonization speed of the mycelium. I inoculated 5 plates from the syringe, and got only 1 colony and it grows very slowly. It is PES Amazon. I have a monotub going with PF Classic and I think it is doing ok.
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I got my first flush too last night of b+!! I also lost the second bag, not sure what happened, it seemed too dry and crumbled upon opening and placing it in the fruiting tub. The first flush was 110g, doesn't seem a lot, will dunk the block in water as suggested by the vendor for the next flush.



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Re: All-in-one grow bag [Re: mgavatar]
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Seems like the 2nd bag (Mexicana) which seems dry, has sclerotia formation in it, I picked few truffles, not sure what to do next..... Maybe dunk it in water to rehydrate and that would lead to pinning...? Open to suggestions!
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Congrats on the grow!!
I am currently walking through this same process. I'm curious as to what the pro's/con's are of removing it form the bag vs just cutting the top of the bag for fruiting.
Can anyone speak to this? I have a mini-GH I was thinking about placing the cut open bags in. Any thoughts?
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I am currently walking through this same process. I'm curious as to what the pro's/con's are of removing it form the bag vs just cutting the top of the bag for fruiting.
Can anyone speak to this? I have a mini-GH I was thinking about placing the cut open bags in. Any thoughts?
I took it out of the bag so that I could collect fruits that grew out from the sides, like a PF cake.
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